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What we got there in Heil's (altered?) version of his
personal biographic factoids is strangely similar to
the undetailed, grandiose CLAIMS of the former "war
hero of the USMC," Major Dud (Robeson). :-)

Other than being in country, Heil has made no claims of direct action
or heroism.

As far as I'm concerned, he was just another REMF who, years
later, is playing everyone as if he were the big hero in "a
country at war!" [those REMFs are spotted miles away...]

He may have been a REMF, but I don't know.

No, you don't know and Len is busy with more falsehoods like "big hero
in 'a country at war'". What is really peculiar is Len's spouting off
about rear echelon anything. After all, that exactly where *he* spent
his time in the military.



No problem on proof for me. I've got my records and some
of them are digitized (PDF for universality in viewing)
from their original form. The official archives in
St. Louis (NARA Military Personnel Records Center) has
them for proof by anyone with access.

I'm good with what Heil has presented.

I'm not. He was "in" the USAF but that's all I will accept.
That military time should have been good for his guvmint
pension accumulation time, though...probably his whole plan
for his future?

Said he lives in a tar paper shack in WV. That doesn't sound like
bragging, and it's something I can believe.

Len's statement makes him look quite foolish. Better than a decade
passed between the end of my time in the Air Force and the beginning of
my employment with the Department of State.

FWIW, I think the state dept was merely a vehicle for dxpeditions, not
a significant grab for a fat pension.

It resulted in good pay, world travel, a chance to put some rare spots
on the map and a modest pension. Len Anderson was no more involved in
my employment than he is in amateur radio.


Oh, my, here comes Major Dud Robeson the II. :-)
Naw. He's playing tag with Mark.
Whatever. :-)

I think all of Marks out-assholing Robesin has finally paid off.

I think it has paid off in spades for the Colonel/geophysicist. He is
now recognized as a twit in entirely new circles.

Since 54 years ago I've been acquainted with (perhaps) hundreds
of military personnel both as one myself and (much longer) as
a civilian. I don't know of ANY military personnel who "DIDN'T"
receive any specialty training after their Basic Training (or
Boot Camp for USN and USMC and USCG).
There were a handful of billets that were DDA. Most of the unskilled
work was handled by folks getting kicked out for various
non-adaptability issues.

No doubt. Thing is, Heil could usually claim anydamnthing he
wanted knowing that few in public venues of now would have been
in the Air Force in Vietnam. Just like there are few amateurs
who were in the State Department. Given that kind of an
"audience," he can get away with all kinds of brags...and
saying lots of generalities without going into specifics.

My favorite is his brag about working out of band Frenchmen on 6M.

At no time did I brag about working out-of-band French stations on any
band. I am not responsible for checking the band allocation of any
station I work. That matter rests with the responsible licensing
authority in that station's country. Live with it.

What an idiot.

I agree with your self-description.


One thing good is
that the old "oil burner routes" aren't there in civilian
aviation notices...the old SAC practice runs on "targets"
similar to USSR target locations. Be thankful that MAD worked!

Almost nobody alive today knows about that.

Many people alive today know about it, Brian.


But...in Heil's case WE don't really know in DETAIL what
Heil actually did. He hasn't described it in anything but
vague generalities and intimations of work performed.
I don't even know if it was fixed or tactical, but that's alright.

He implies it was something like "under fire" but that isn't
the info I get from folks who worked HF comms there and not
much is written up in the Army Center for Military History
except NON-morse comms.

Len likes to write things like "he implies". I implied no such thing at
any time. The fact is that Len doesn't know what I did and he is fishing.

The information isn't hard to come by on the web. If Len can't find it,
he'll have to stay in the dark.

Dave K8MN

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Must you put on your stupid face? Can't you take a typo?
Brian, it's the usual PCTA "answer" in debate. :-)

Dipschitt trips all over a typo and can't punctuate his way out of a
wet paper bag.

Ah, but he "saved the day" at some small-time embassy when
he used morse to "synchronize his RTTYs!" :-)

He said.

Sorry, Brian, your statement is as false as Len's. I *didn't* write any
such thing. Len purports to quote me. I've not written that I "saved
the day" or did I write "syncronize his RTTY's".

Dave, you're free to set the record straight. Exactly what did you
say?

And about your punctuation, this isn't an Oracle database. Put your
punctuation inside the quotation marks, not outside. Best ofLuck.

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Must you put on your stupid face? Can't you take a typo?
Brian, it's the usual PCTA "answer" in debate. :-)

Dipschitt trips all over a typo and can't punctuate his way out of a
wet paper bag.

Ah, but he "saved the day" at some small-time embassy when
he used morse to "synchronize his RTTYs!" :-)
He said.
Sorry, Brian, your statement is as false as Len's. I *didn't* write any
such thing. Len purports to quote me. I've not written that I "saved
the day" or did I write "syncronize his RTTY's".

Dave, you're free to set the record straight. Exactly what did you
say?

You tell me. What did I say? I've already told you what I did not write.

And about your punctuation, this isn't an Oracle database. Put your
punctuation inside the quotation marks, not outside. Best ofLuck.

I'll take it under advisement.

Dave K8MN

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I like 1973, no matter what Jim thinks or says.

What about what this guy says:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.w...0?dmode=source

He was there. You guys weren't.

And until we get or
MIA's and POW's all back, I think it's still an open matter.

"get or MIA's and POW's all back" ?

Did you mean

"get our MIAs and POWs all back" ?

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Dave Heil wrote:
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What we got there in Heil's (altered?) version of his
personal biographic factoids is strangely similar to
the undetailed, grandiose CLAIMS of the former "war
hero of the USMC," Major Dud (Robeson). :-)

Other than being in country, Heil has made no claims of direct action
or heroism.

As far as I'm concerned, he was just another REMF who, years
later, is playing everyone as if he were the big hero in "a
country at war!" [those REMFs are spotted miles away...]

He may have been a REMF, but I don't know.

No, you don't know

I'm pretty sure that's what I said. If you want to debate it, you'll
have to look in the archives and repost it.

and Len is busy with more falsehoods like "big hero
in 'a country at war'".

Now, Dave, I've talked to about your punctuation til I'm blue in the
face...

What is really peculiar is Len's spouting off
about rear echelon anything. After all, that exactly where *he* spent
his time in the military.

At least he made it out of country.

No problem on proof for me. I've got my records and some
of them are digitized (PDF for universality in viewing)
from their original form. The official archives in
St. Louis (NARA Military Personnel Records Center) has
them for proof by anyone with access.

I'm good with what Heil has presented.

I'm not. He was "in" the USAF but that's all I will accept.
That military time should have been good for his guvmint
pension accumulation time, though...probably his whole plan
for his future?

Said he lives in a tar paper shack in WV. That doesn't sound like
bragging, and it's something I can believe.

Len's statement makes him look quite foolish.

Quiteallright.

Better than a decade
passed between the end of my time in the Air Force and the beginning of
my employment with the Department of State.

That's a long time to be unemployed.

FWIW, I think the state dept was merely a vehicle for dxpeditions, not
a significant grab for a fat pension.

It resulted in good pay, world travel, a chance to put some rare spots
on the map and a modest pension. Len Anderson was no more involved in
my employment than he is in amateur radio.

He IS involved in the ARS. He seems content to give the FCC the
comments that they've asked for re the ARS.

Oh, my, here comes Major Dud Robeson the II. :-)
Naw. He's playing tag with Mark.
Whatever. :-)

I think all of Marks out-assholing Robesin has finally paid off.

I think it has paid off in spades for the Colonel/geophysicist. He is
now recognized as a twit in entirely new circles.

Some people's claim to fame leaves me scratching my head. One's claim
to fame is that he out-assholed Robesin, another's is working out of
band Frenchmen on 6M. Go figure.

Since 54 years ago I've been acquainted with (perhaps) hundreds
of military personnel both as one myself and (much longer) as
a civilian. I don't know of ANY military personnel who "DIDN'T"
receive any specialty training after their Basic Training (or
Boot Camp for USN and USMC and USCG).

There were a handful of billets that were DDA. Most of the unskilled
work was handled by folks getting kicked out for various
non-adaptability issues.

No doubt. Thing is, Heil could usually claim anydamnthing he
wanted knowing that few in public venues of now would have been
in the Air Force in Vietnam. Just like there are few amateurs
who were in the State Department. Given that kind of an
"audience," he can get away with all kinds of brags...and
saying lots of generalities without going into specifics.

My favorite is his brag about working out of band Frenchmen on 6M.

At no time did I brag about working out-of-band French stations on any
band. I am not responsible for checking the band allocation of any
station I work. That matter rests with the responsible licensing
authority in that station's country. Live with it.

If you hadn't told us about it, how would we know you did it?

What an idiot.

I agree with your self-description.

Are you now trying to say that you didn't work out of band Frenchmen on
6M?

One thing good is
that the old "oil burner routes" aren't there in civilian
aviation notices...the old SAC practice runs on "targets"
similar to USSR target locations. Be thankful that MAD worked!

Almost nobody alive today knows about that.

Many people alive today know about it, Brian.

Most can't even remember 9/11/2001.

But...in Heil's case WE don't really know in DETAIL what
Heil actually did. He hasn't described it in anything but
vague generalities and intimations of work performed.
I don't even know if it was fixed or tactical, but that's alright.

He implies it was something like "under fire" but that isn't
the info I get from folks who worked HF comms there and not
much is written up in the Army Center for Military History
except NON-morse comms.

Len likes to write things like "he implies". I implied no such thing at
any time. The fact is that Len doesn't know what I did and he is fishing.

Fishing is fun, and it's a little like gambling. You never know when
you're going to get lucky. A lot of time you get lucky when you're not
even fishing. Like Robesin's "eating his excrement" remark...

The information isn't hard to come by on the web.

What information?

If Len can't find it,
he'll have to stay in the dark.

Dave K8MN

I hope that you've got a layer of foam board underneath that tarpaper.
It's been cold lately.

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I like 1973, no matter what Jim thinks or says.

What about what this guy says:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.w...0?dmode=source

He was there. You guys weren't.

Did you really "serve in other ways?"

And until we get or
MIA's and POW's all back, I think it's still an open matter.

"get or MIA's and POW's all back" ?

Did you mean

"get our MIAs and POWs all back" ?

Jim, did you skin your knee tripping over that typo?

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Must you put on your stupid face? Can't you take a typo?

Brian, it's the usual PCTA "answer" in debate. :-)

Dipschitt trips all over a typo and can't punctuate his way out of a
wet paper bag.

Ah, but he "saved the day" at some small-time embassy when
he used morse to "synchronize his RTTYs!" :-)

He said.

...ah but not in those EXACT words! :-)

Way, way back in RRAP time, back when DejaNews had the archives
of newsgroups, Heil tried to "explain" his use of "CW" from some
small embassy in Africa (in the middle of the continent, Heil
doesn't like the phrase "middle Africa" for some reason). His
"explanation" was that the TTYs had to be "synchronized." I
told him that teleprinters had always been designed to be SELF-
synchronizing, even gave some references for the basic principles
of teleprinters, one of which was a USN teaching manual that
could be found in technical libraries. Heil tried to turn that
around as say his "schedules" had to be synchronized...but never
bothered to get into any technical details of teleprinters. [if
he wanted to write SCHEDULES as in times and frequencies, all he
needed to say was "skeds" which is not confined to amateur radio
use] The excuse was that the frequencies that State used weren't
good enough to use RTTY but manual OOK CW did work. He bragged
on that as being "good" (for him)...essentially "saving the day"
for his station at the time. [colloquial expression is some-
thing that Heil apparently doesn't like to use] The time frame
for this 'experience' of his was approximately in the 1980s.

Note that I put "saved the day" in quotation marks. That does
NOT mean (according to Miccolis) that it is an EXACT quote, but
rather an all-purpose marker; Google doesn't use italics which
could have done the marking and not all browsers support italics.
Heil (and Miccolis) want to argue the bejesus out of EXACT words,
AS IF they never ever said that, implied that, or even came
close to it. :-)

The 1980s isn't exactly in the "old pioneering days" of radio.
The Department of State wasn't exactly working with Spark Tx
and crystal set Rx equipment. A half century BEFORE that the
government and commercial users of HF were actually using
TTYs over radio (mostly at HF) and a wealth of experience was
acquired by all (not just at State) with RTTY and multi-channel
SSB (carrying many TTY circuits). That was IN the general area
of the equatorial tropics as well as in more northern and
southern areas which didn't experience as many troubles as the
tropics.

Lacking any valid response, they resort to misdirective
attempts at personal humiliation about minutae that
have NO direct bearing on the SUBJECT.

They must be very, very clever.

They ARE! They tell you so, right in here!

True enough, but I think they're wrong.

As do I...but the whole point of their "cleverness" seems to
be directed at ARGUING their precious points and attempting to
"win" some on-line back-and-forth by any means possible.

Take Heil as an example: Who else in here has been in the
State Department? NONE have claimed that. With the LABEL of
an important federal arm of the government, Heil can pull off
whatever snow jobs he wants on the newsgroup; nobody here has
the background to contradict him...he thought. It was an
ideal environment for snow jobs. Problem was, there's been a
few of us with REAL radio experience in HF and other parts of
the EM spectrum...and some of us KNOW about the various OTHER
government-military comms that have and are being used. The
average radio amateur would "know" only what he/she read in
ham publications.

"Major Dud" Robeson tried snow-jobbing the RRAP with his
grandiose claims of "USMC" active duty service for years.
Same-O-Same-O kind of snow job. Robeson got shot down by
a REAL USMC veteran, one who DID supply document scans and
personal photographs. Robeson NEVER did that during the many
years he tried his bluffing snow jobbery in here.


That and the USN. The USAF and USN weren't considered
as direct combat military branches by draftees worried
silly about harm to their precious bodies. Back in the
Vietnam War era 33 to 50 years ago, that is.

Has Jim approved your use of 1973 as the end of the war, or was he
still tucking tail as late as 1975?

He might still be looking for the "correct" answer somewhere
on the ARRL website...

I like 1973, no matter what Jim thinks or says.

So does the Department of Defense of the USA...

ARRL is still promoting "amateurs in uniform" during WW II,
a war that stopped 61 years ago.


Not really. Outside of MARS I can't see any military
comms facilities using ham gear. Maybe an old Hammarlund
SP-600 civilian HF receiver that the military bought a
lot of...

The military thrives on standardization.

It MUST to deploy effectively and achieve its mission. There
is NO time to hay-wire some kind of comms gear.

BTW, those Hammarlund receivers were used in USAF-manned
listening posts in northern Japan in the 1950s according to
a retired USAF MSgt named Bob Humble.


Yeh, I was trained in meteorology which was in the "General" category,
my worst area. Somehow I managed dinstinguished grad in both the 3
level and mandatory 7 level schools.

"Level" terminology not understood. ?

1, 3, 5, 7, 9 level

1 is a graduate of basic training. 9 is full performance level for a
careerist.

Okay, thanks for the info. I might have heard that bandied-
about by others but never paid it any mind. :-)

Good on that, though. From what I've seen of WX stations,
it is NOT some high school science project stuff. :-)

Military wx personnel are a lot more competent than what you're seing
on television.

I HOPE so! :-)

Since L.A. is a "saturated" TV broadcast area, there's lots of
"weathermen" on the tube. My wife and I take an average of the
weather predictions and hope for the best on the next day...they
are all off one way or another on their predictions. Can't get
the NOAA VHF weather broadcasts well in these hills.

I don't know where those guys come from although most
of them have collitch degrees in meteorology. Our biggest challenge as
Airmen and NCO's was to retrain LTs and Capts in standardized methods.

Heh heh heh. That seems to be an on-going thing in the
military for some specialties...for years... :-)


The only homegrown WX that the Army has are the ARTYMET guys. They run
up PIBALs for wind speeds and directions for calculating trajectory.
The rest of the weather on Army installations and deployed are USAF.
That's how I ended up with 2ID.

Interesting. Never paid it much mind before, but that seems
logical.


Thing was, the Army thought ALL personnel were "soldiers first,
specialists second." That's why we got to play sojer in da
woods after our regular specialist duty hours.

You gotta believe me when I say that all us USAF guys were thrilled
with USA assignments...

Understood...except by the Noserves in here who are the
severest critics...


Other than being in country, Heil has made no claims of direct action
or heroism.

As far as I'm concerned, he was just another REMF who, years
later, is playing everyone as if he were the big hero in "a
country at war!" [those REMFs are spotted miles away...]

He may have been a REMF, but I don't know.

I put him down as a REMF.


I'm good with what Heil has presented.

I'm not. He was "in" the USAF but that's all I will accept.
That military time should have been good for his guvmint
pension accumulation time, though...probably his whole plan
for his future?

Said he lives in a tar paper shack in WV. That doesn't sound like
bragging, and it's something I can believe.

I'm not sure we can correlate everything Heil says.

FWIW, I think the state dept was merely a vehicle for dxpeditions, not
a significant grab for a fat pension.

Accumulated time in government service should count for
pensions whether in the military, a government secretariat,
or the IRS. [IRS folks have a different pension system, BTW]


I think all of Marks out-assholing Robesin has finally paid off.

You might be right. :-)


No doubt. Thing is, Heil could usually claim anydamnthing he
wanted knowing that few in public venues of now would have been
in the Air Force in Vietnam. Just like there are few amateurs
who were in the State Department. Given that kind of an
"audience," he can get away with all kinds of brags...and
saying lots of generalities without going into specifics.

My favorite is his brag about working out of band Frenchmen on 6M.
What an idiot.

He is an amateur extra morseman and PCTA. I think they all
think they can say anything and be "correct." :-)



I arrived in ROK in 1979, and the switch at Fuchu was in use for wx
comms.

"Fuchu" had been operational roughly 35 years at that time.
[it is near Tokyo on the western side for those not acquainted
with military sites still in Japan] USAF installation.


SAC ain't no more now and USAF has had a rather massive re-
organization of units and mission roles.

Reorganization was the only way to manage the 50+% drawdown. By
reorganizing the AF at the same time as the drawdown, it kept everyone
confused. We didn't notice if we were screwed up because we were
hemmoraging people, or if we were screwed up because the reorg plan was
bad.

Strategic Air Command is now called Strategic Command or StratCom for
short. They lost almost all of their tankers to Military Airlift
Command/MAC, renamed Air Mobility Command/AMC. Tactical Air Command
/TAC was renamed Air Combat Command/ACC. I guess they put all their
thought into the new name for ACC.

Hmmm...modern military history of the 1990s. That will confuse
the ARRL still pushing PR about all the amateurs in uniform
during WW II. :-)

One thing good is
that the old "oil burner routes" aren't there in civilian
aviation notices...the old SAC practice runs on "targets"
similar to USSR target locations. Be thankful that MAD worked!

Almost nobody alive today knows about that.

:-) More than you might think. "Oil burner routes" were
marked on the small-format NOTAMs (NOtices To AirMen) for
civilians as advisories to stay clear of certain areas above
a specified altitude. Curiosities for me as a not-very-long
student pilot never straying far from the local area. :-)



He was in "a country at war!" :-)

I'm in a "country at war."

Well, that's what I'm told, too. By some. [it's General
Election time here...]


The smugness is a bit hard to take.

True. He sounds off like being Big and Important. :-)

Sounds to me more like frustrated and little.

But...but...but...Heil is an Amateur EXTRA and passed a 20 WPM
code test!!! :-)



Oracle is a business which didn't give up on code.

Bill Gates has an answer for your Oracle.

Very much so! :-) A few billion bucks here, a few billion
bucks there...might even add up to real money! (paraphrasing
Yogi Berra) [thanks to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
for all their many chartitable contributions worldwide!]
I just don't think Bill Gates (or Paul Allen) much give a
**** for morse "code." :-)

I think I'll send Bill an email and invite him to become an amateur.

Excellent! He could probably use a laugh.

Who knows, he just might send a buck or two to the frequency defense
fund.

:-)

I know and use a few high-level COMPUTER codes. I know and
use a few Assembler-level COMPUTER codes. Those just ain't
"morse code." :-) My little Apple ][+ can do a third of
a million "words per second." [based on the average number
of clock cycles per byte-word instruction Ain't NO morseman
that can come close to that. :-)

I'm surprised that Jim doesn't try to force Bill Gates to use morse
code as a programming language. Hell, it's digital, right???

Sheesh...the best Miccolis could do is crib the ENIAC museum
PR stuff. :-) Gates could BUY an ENIAC out of petty cash
funds. He could also buy out the whole ARRL if he desired;
any corporation doing less than $15 million per annum in
taxable income would be considered "very small" to him.

Church of Saint Bill Gates... has a certain ring to esn't it?

I disagree. In the Puget Sound area of Washington, Gates
is no saint. He BE god. :-)

Try Paul Allen, the Microsoft co-founder. Paul helped
bankroll Creative Composites, Inc., in building "Space Ship
One," the first civilian spacecraft to reach designated outer
space. Paul also helped found the Science Fiction Museum in
Seattle.

Think about it...hams have been saving lives for years using
morse code...Science fiction...It ties together... :-)

From: Dave Heil on Wed, Nov 1 2006 9:27 pm

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Do the terms "Mother Superior" or "Waffen SS Guy" hold any meaning for
you? Do you believe them to be attempts at personal humiliation?

Tsk. How about "the old organ grinder" and "red-hatted
monkey?" How about "Senator Lenhorn?" "Major Hoople?"
:-)

Since Heil is bound and determined to find typos and
misspellings, all we have to do is scrutinize HIS
epic prose in here and make him wallow in his own
typographical errors...forever and ever... :-)

Oh, I'll make an occasional typo, Len.

NO!?! Say it isn't SO! You are PERFECT, you are an Amateur
EXTRA morseman!



I wasn't a draftee, Len. Nobody in the Air Force was a draftee. Nobody
in the Navy was a draftee. I enlisted for four years. The minimum Navy
hitch was for three. Draftees were non-volunteers who served two years.
Now what?

Your Air Medal will arrive shortly in the mail...


Oddly enough, I was not in the "amateur radio contesting" AFSC, yet my
contesting skills were exactly the same skills I used in my Air Force
duties.

Riiiight...your logs were submitted to the ARRL for
verification, right?


...but you went through schooling. I was actually working within two
days of my arrival at my first assignment. That was about
seven-and-a-half weeks after I first entered the Air Force.

You want an Oak Leaf Cluster on your Air Medal?!?



Have you found people who are interested in seeing your proof, Len? I'm
not offering you any proof. I have no intention of providing you
digitized anything. Now what?

Now we know that you will continue your snow-jobbery
in here. As expected...



... I never said that I never
received any specialty training after basic training. I wrote that I
never attended any military technical school.

Yeah...you DO want that Oak Leaf Cluster! :-)



... I had nothing to do with AFRS or AFRTS.

GOOD!



But...in Heil's case WE don't really know in DETAIL what
Heil actually did.

No, you don't actually know what I did.

No problem...you aren't about to provide PROOF to anyone!


He hasn't described it in anything but
vague generalities and intimations of work performed.

No, I haven't described it in detail.

No problem...you aren't about to provide PROOF to anyone!

:-)


As always to you, ByteBrothers famous phrase invoked.

Dave Heil wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
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Must you put on your stupid face? Can't you take a typo?
Brian, it's the usual PCTA "answer" in debate. :-)

Dipschitt trips all over a typo and can't punctuate his way out of a
wet paper bag.

Ah, but he "saved the day" at some small-time embassy when
he used morse to "synchronize his RTTYs!" :-)
He said.
Sorry, Brian, your statement is as false as Len's. I *didn't* write any
such thing. Len purports to quote me. I've not written that I "saved
the day" or did I write "syncronize his RTTY's".

Dave, you're free to set the record straight. Exactly what did you
say?

You tell me. What did I say?

Can't remember, huh?

I've already told you what I did not write.

At least you remember something, or at least you claim you do.

And about your punctuation, this isn't an Oracle database. Put your
punctuation inside the quotation marks, not outside. Best ofLuck.

I'll take it under advisement.

Dave K8MN

Please make no change on my account.

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From: on Fri, Nov 3 2006 8:25 pm

wrote:
wrote:
wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 31 2006 6:07 pm
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
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Must you put on your stupid face? Can't you take a typo?

Brian, it's the usual PCTA "answer" in debate. :-)

Dipschitt trips all over a typo and can't punctuate his way out of a
wet paper bag.

Ah, but he "saved the day" at some small-time embassy when
he used morse to "synchronize his RTTYs!" :-)

He said.

...ah but not in those EXACT words! :-)

If you're paraphrasing either of these Einstein's, you've got to put a
squiggle in front and after the word, sentence, or other utterance then
might have made. Most of what they say isn't worth repeating, but if
you must....

~ squiggle or tilda. Upper left side of the QWERTY.

Way, way back in RRAP time, back when DejaNews had the archives
of newsgroups, Heil tried to "explain" his use of "CW" from some
small embassy in Africa (in the middle of the continent, Heil
doesn't like the phrase "middle Africa" for some reason). His
"explanation" was that the TTYs had to be "synchronized." I
told him that teleprinters had always been designed to be SELF-
synchronizing, even gave some references for the basic principles
of teleprinters, one of which was a USN teaching manual that
could be found in technical libraries. Heil tried to turn that
around as say his "schedules" had to be synchronized...but never
bothered to get into any technical details of teleprinters. [if
he wanted to write SCHEDULES as in times and frequencies, all he
needed to say was "skeds" which is not confined to amateur radio
use] The excuse was that the frequencies that State used weren't
good enough to use RTTY but manual OOK CW did work. He bragged
on that as being "good" (for him)...essentially "saving the day"
for his station at the time. [colloquial expression is some-
thing that Heil apparently doesn't like to use] The time frame
for this 'experience' of his was approximately in the 1980s.

That's about the time all Morse Code testing should have ended. Maybe
a decade too late.

Note that I put "saved the day" in quotation marks. That does
NOT mean (according to Miccolis) that it is an EXACT quote, but
rather an all-purpose marker; Google doesn't use italics which
could have done the marking and not all browsers support italics.
Heil (and Miccolis) want to argue the bejesus out of EXACT words,
AS IF they never ever said that, implied that, or even came
close to it. :-)

Jim and Dave purposely misunderstand. Like when they trip and stagger
around and eventually fall down and skin their knees over a mere type.
It's all an act; a very, very bad act. Maybe they make some side money
doing that at grocery stores where there might be spilled milk on aisle
seven.

The 1980s isn't exactly in the "old pioneering days" of radio.
The Department of State wasn't exactly working with Spark Tx
and crystal set Rx equipment. A half century BEFORE that the
government and commercial users of HF were actually using
TTYs over radio (mostly at HF) and a wealth of experience was
acquired by all (not just at State) with RTTY and multi-channel
SSB (carrying many TTY circuits). That was IN the general area
of the equatorial tropics as well as in more northern and
southern areas which didn't experience as many troubles as the
tropics.

I could use a DXpedition to Coca Cabana.

Lacking any valid response, they resort to misdirective
attempts at personal humiliation about minutae that
have NO direct bearing on the SUBJECT.

They must be very, very clever.

They ARE! They tell you so, right in here!

True enough, but I think they're wrong.

As do I...but the whole point of their "cleverness" seems to
be directed at ARGUING their precious points and attempting to
"win" some on-line back-and-forth by any means possible.

On-line points aren't worth having.

Take Heil as an example:

Do I have to?

Who else in here has been in the
State Department? NONE have claimed that. With the LABEL of
an important federal arm of the government, Heil can pull off
whatever snow jobs he wants on the newsgroup; nobody here has
the background to contradict him...he thought. It was an
ideal environment for snow jobs. Problem was, there's been a
few of us with REAL radio experience in HF and other parts of
the EM spectrum...and some of us KNOW about the various OTHER
government-military comms that have and are being used. The
average radio amateur would "know" only what he/she read in
ham publications.

Dave learned to keep quiet about himself fairly early on. The
out-of-band Frenchmen fiasco is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
His "contributions" of late are not contributions at all.

"Major Dud" Robeson tried snow-jobbing the RRAP with his
grandiose claims of "USMC" active duty service for years.
Same-O-Same-O kind of snow job. Robeson got shot down by
a REAL USMC veteran, one who DID supply document scans and
personal photographs. Robeson NEVER did that during the many
years he tried his bluffing snow jobbery in here.

Frank completely buried that clown.

That and the USN. The USAF and USN weren't considered
as direct combat military branches by draftees worried
silly about harm to their precious bodies. Back in the
Vietnam War era 33 to 50 years ago, that is.

Has Jim approved your use of 1973 as the end of the war, or was he
still tucking tail as late as 1975?

He might still be looking for the "correct" answer somewhere
on the ARRL website...

I like 1973, no matter what Jim thinks or says.

So does the Department of Defense of the USA...

ARRL is still promoting "amateurs in uniform" during WW II,
a war that stopped 61 years ago.

Jim is still promoting it.

Not really. Outside of MARS I can't see any military
comms facilities using ham gear. Maybe an old Hammarlund
SP-600 civilian HF receiver that the military bought a
lot of...

The military thrives on standardization.

It MUST to deploy effectively and achieve its mission. There
is NO time to hay-wire some kind of comms gear.

Any ole ham can plop down in a war zone and run the comms....

Hi, hi.

BTW, those Hammarlund receivers were used in USAF-manned
listening posts in northern Japan in the 1950s according to
a retired USAF MSgt named Bob Humble.

Hokaido. Probably listening to the Russians.

Yeh, I was trained in meteorology which was in the "General" category,
my worst area. Somehow I managed dinstinguished grad in both the 3
level and mandatory 7 level schools.

"Level" terminology not understood. ?

1, 3, 5, 7, 9 level

1 is a graduate of basic training. 9 is full performance level for a
careerist.

Okay, thanks for the info. I might have heard that bandied-
about by others but never paid it any mind. :-)

Do the MOS have a character indicating skill level?

Good on that, though. From what I've seen of WX stations,
it is NOT some high school science project stuff. :-)

Military wx personnel are a lot more competent than what you're seing
on television.

I HOPE so! :-)

For example, a 3-level could outperform most tv wx forecasters...

Since L.A. is a "saturated" TV broadcast area, there's lots of
"weathermen" on the tube. My wife and I take an average of the
weather predictions and hope for the best on the next day...they
are all off one way or another on their predictions. Can't get
the NOAA VHF weather broadcasts well in these hills.

There's not a lot of changeability to deal with, maybe predicting the
hight of the haze layer?

I don't know where those guys come from although most
of them have collitch degrees in meteorology. Our biggest challenge as
Airmen and NCO's was to retrain LTs and Capts in standardized methods.

Heh heh heh. That seems to be an on-going thing in the
military for some specialties...for years... :-)

Some of 'em even fall for the prop wash jokes.

The only homegrown WX that the Army has are the ARTYMET guys. They run
up PIBALs for wind speeds and directions for calculating trajectory.
The rest of the weather on Army installations and deployed are USAF.
That's how I ended up with 2ID.

Interesting. Never paid it much mind before, but that seems
logical.

One of my Sgt's came from Ft Drum, and and Airman came from Ft Carson.
Neither had been to an AF base, lost both of them at re-enlistment
time.

Thing was, the Army thought ALL personnel were "soldiers first,
specialists second." That's why we got to play sojer in da
woods after our regular specialist duty hours.

You gotta believe me when I say that all us USAF guys were thrilled
with USA assignments...

Understood...except by the Noserves in here who are the
severest critics...

Ignore them.

Other than being in country, Heil has made no claims of direct action
or heroism.

As far as I'm concerned, he was just another REMF who, years
later, is playing everyone as if he were the big hero in "a
country at war!" [those REMFs are spotted miles away...]

He may have been a REMF, but I don't know.

I put him down as a REMF.

Sometimes I wasn't even that close, other times I thought I was too
close.

I'm good with what Heil has presented.

I'm not. He was "in" the USAF but that's all I will accept.
That military time should have been good for his guvmint
pension accumulation time, though...probably his whole plan
for his future?

Said he lives in a tar paper shack in WV. That doesn't sound like
bragging, and it's something I can believe.

I'm not sure we can correlate everything Heil says.

Hmmmm?

FWIW, I think the state dept was merely a vehicle for dxpeditions, not
a significant grab for a fat pension.

Accumulated time in government service should count for
pensions whether in the military, a government secretariat,
or the IRS. [IRS folks have a different pension system, BTW]

So does Congress.

I think all of Marks out-assholing Robesin has finally paid off.

You might be right. :-)

I tried doing it for a little while, but couldn't stand myself.
Robesin is more despicable than I could ever approach, let alone
surpass.

No doubt. Thing is, Heil could usually claim anydamnthing he
wanted knowing that few in public venues of now would have been
in the Air Force in Vietnam. Just like there are few amateurs
who were in the State Department. Given that kind of an
"audience," he can get away with all kinds of brags...and
saying lots of generalities without going into specifics.

My favorite is his brag about working out of band Frenchmen on 6M.
What an idiot.

He is an amateur extra morseman and PCTA. I think they all
think they can say anything and be "correct." :-)

They can - in their minds. The rest of us know better.

I arrived in ROK in 1979, and the switch at Fuchu was in use for wx
comms.

"Fuchu" had been operational roughly 35 years at that time.
[it is near Tokyo on the western side for those not acquainted
with military sites still in Japan] USAF installation.


SAC ain't no more now and USAF has had a rather massive re-
organization of units and mission roles.

Reorganization was the only way to manage the 50+% drawdown. By
reorganizing the AF at the same time as the drawdown, it kept everyone
confused. We didn't notice if we were screwed up because we were
hemmoraging people, or if we were screwed up because the reorg plan was
bad.

Strategic Air Command is now called Strategic Command or StratCom for
short. They lost almost all of their tankers to Military Airlift
Command/MAC, renamed Air Mobility Command/AMC. Tactical Air Command
/TAC was renamed Air Combat Command/ACC. I guess they put all their
thought into the new name for ACC.

Hmmm...modern military history of the 1990s. That will confuse
the ARRL still pushing PR about all the amateurs in uniform
during WW II. :-)

Merril McPeak was the mastermind of that one. I think his wife had a
hand in the redesign of our uniforms and the comic-sized chevrons on
the enlisted uniforms.

One thing good is
that the old "oil burner routes" aren't there in civilian
aviation notices...the old SAC practice runs on "targets"
similar to USSR target locations. Be thankful that MAD worked!

Almost nobody alive today knows about that.

:-) More than you might think. "Oil burner routes" were
marked on the small-format NOTAMs (NOtices To AirMen) for
civilians as advisories to stay clear of certain areas above
a specified altitude. Curiosities for me as a not-very-long
student pilot never straying far from the local area. :-)

I used to tear the NOTAMs off the WX TTY and pas over to Base
Operations. They would post them in the flight planning room

He was in "a country at war!" :-)

I'm in a "country at war."

Well, that's what I'm told, too. By some. [it's General
Election time here...]

I'm having "election fatigue."

The smugness is a bit hard to take.

True. He sounds off like being Big and Important. :-)

Sounds to me more like frustrated and little.

But...but...but...Heil is an Amateur EXTRA and passed a 20 WPM
code test!!! :-)

I'm sure he's all that and more.

Oracle is a business which didn't give up on code.

Bill Gates has an answer for your Oracle.

Very much so! :-) A few billion bucks here, a few billion
bucks there...might even add up to real money! (paraphrasing
Yogi Berra) [thanks to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
for all their many chartitable contributions worldwide!]
I just don't think Bill Gates (or Paul Allen) much give a
**** for morse "code." :-)

I think I'll send Bill an email and invite him to become an amateur.

Excellent! He could probably use a laugh.

Who knows, he just might send a buck or two to the frequency defense
fund.

:-)

I know and use a few high-level COMPUTER codes. I know and
use a few Assembler-level COMPUTER codes. Those just ain't
"morse code." :-) My little Apple ][+ can do a third of
a million "words per second." [based on the average number
of clock cycles per byte-word instruction Ain't NO morseman
that can come close to that. :-)

I'm surprised that Jim doesn't try to force Bill Gates to use morse
code as a programming language. Hell, it's digital, right???

Sheesh...the best Miccolis could do is crib the ENIAC museum
PR stuff. :-) Gates could BUY an ENIAC out of petty cash
funds. He could also buy out the whole ARRL if he desired;
any corporation doing less than $15 million per annum in
taxable income would be considered "very small" to him.

Church of Saint Bill Gates... has a certain ring to esn't it?

I disagree. In the Puget Sound area of Washington, Gates
is no saint. He BE god. :-)

Try Paul Allen, the Microsoft co-founder. Paul helped
bankroll Creative Composites, Inc., in building "Space Ship
One," the first civilian spacecraft to reach designated outer
space. Paul also helped found the Science Fiction Museum in
Seattle.

Think about it...hams have been saving lives for years using
morse code...Science fiction...It ties together... :-)



It's a worthwhile endeavor, but all the chest thumping is just chest
thumping. Probably just people with nothing else on the ball.