"Iitoi" wrote in message
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80M and 40M phone band expansion

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc



Why? There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least. As a
matter of fact, it encourages more CW use now that the Novices and Tech+
folks will be able to mingle and join the main CW activities.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:

There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least.

Well, actually there is.

At present, 3500 to 3750 kHz is CW/data space - no 'phone or image. In
that space, 3525 to 3750 is available to Generals, Advanceds and
Extras. 3500-3525 is for Extras only.

When the changes take effect, only 3500-3600 will be free of 'phone.
The space available for data modes will be reduced from 250 kHz to 100
kHz for Extras, and from 225 to 75 kHz for Advanceds and Generals.

Now it may come to pass that 3600-3750 is still used for CW by some
Extras and Advanceds. But I think it is far more likely that those
freqs will be used for 'phone, with CW being frowned upon. And they
cannot be used for data.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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Dee Flint wrote:

There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least.

Well, actually there is.

At present, 3500 to 3750 kHz is CW/data space - no 'phone or image. In
that space, 3525 to 3750 is available to Generals, Advanceds and
Extras. 3500-3525 is for Extras only.

When the changes take effect, only 3500-3600 will be free of 'phone.
The space available for data modes will be reduced from 250 kHz to 100
kHz for Extras, and from 225 to 75 kHz for Advanceds and Generals.

Now it may come to pass that 3600-3750 is still used for CW by some
Extras and Advanceds. But I think it is far more likely that those
freqs will be used for 'phone, with CW being frowned upon. And they
cannot be used for data.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Well yes that segment has been shortened a bit but on the whole, the changes
should be beneficial. I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW
bandwidth.

Dee, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW bandwidth.

On 80m they used to have 50kHz pretty much to themselves. (Of course you could
have dropped a bucket of grenades on 3675-3725 and never touched a single Novice
or Tech 99% of the time.)

Now they'll have 75kHz on 80m, (a whopping increase of 25kHz) and they'll have
to share it with a host of ****ed-off displaced traffic nets, RTTY/data
operators, all the other Generals who were already there, probably some
displaced Canadian phone nets, and the W1AW bulldozer. What few who migrate
down there (I deem it less than 2 dozen anyhow) may not share your "particular
like" for the move.

The Man in the Maze
QRX from Baboquivari Peak, AZ

Imagine this. Imagine all the CW and digital NTS traffic nets that now operate in the 150KHz between 3600 and 3750, relocated down to the 75KHz between 3525 and 3600. Imagine all the PSK and RTTY operators also relocated down there. Imagine the Canadian SSB nets migrating down there to avoid the US extras and Advanced. Imagine the folks already operating there welcoming them with open arms --- NOT!. Then imagine it is a domestic contest weekend, like SS or FD!

What could be the harm to CW?

The Man in the Maze
QRM from Baboquivari Peak, AZ

"Iitoi" wrote in message
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW bandwidth.

On 80m they used to have 50kHz pretty much to themselves. (Of course you
could have dropped a bucket of grenades on 3675-3725 and never touched a
single Novice or Tech 99% of the time.)

Now they'll have 75kHz on 80m, (a whopping increase of 25kHz) and they'll
have to share it with a host of ****ed-off displaced traffic nets,
RTTY/data operators, all the other Generals who were already there,
probably some displaced Canadian phone nets, and the W1AW bulldozer. What
few who migrate down there (I deem it less than 2 dozen anyhow) may not
share your "particular like" for the move.

The Man in the Maze
QRX from Baboquivari Peak, AZ




Still no problem for the CW ops. They can operate the entire band. This
may be the band where they choose not to limit themselves to the traditional
CW portion.

Besides that, generally the only time the CW ops go as high as 3.600 is
during a contest. Typically they stay between 3.500 and 3.550. So looking
at the current ARRL band plan, they digital guys may end up moving down a
bit but probably not clear down to the 3.550 but more likely to perhaps
3.560. Still though it may be the digital guys who feel a bit pinched. So
while the CW ops probably will not go ballistic, the digital ops might.

Dee, N8UZE

"Iitoi" wrote in message
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW bandwidth.

On 80m they used to have 50kHz pretty much to themselves. (Of course you
could have dropped a bucket of grenades on 3675-3725 and never touched a
single Novice or Tech 99% of the time.)

Now they'll have 75kHz on 80m, (a whopping increase of 25kHz) and they'll
have to share it with a host of ****ed-off displaced traffic nets,
RTTY/data operators, all the other Generals who were already there,
probably some displaced Canadian phone nets, and the W1AW bulldozer. What
few who migrate down there (I deem it less than 2 dozen anyhow) may not
share your "particular like" for the move.

The Man in the Maze
QRX from Baboquivari Peak, AZ


By the way, the Canadian phone nets will not need to move.

Dee, N8UZE

"Iitoi" wrote in message
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Dee Flint Wrote:

There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least.


Imagine this. Imagine all the CW and digital NTS traffic nets that now
operate in the 150KHz between 3600 and 3750, relocated down to the 75KHz
between 3525 and 3600. Imagine all the PSK and RTTY operators also
relocated down there. Imagine the Canadian SSB nets migrating down
there to avoid the US extras and Advanced. Imagine the folks already
operating there welcoming them with open arms --- NOT!. Then imagine
it is a domestic contest weekend, like SS or FD!

What could be the harm to CW?

The Man in the Maze
QRM from Baboquivari Peak, AZ


CW ops can carry on as before since that is legal in all parts of the band.
They may now choose to spread out a bit instead of staying in the
traditional area.

Same with the NTS CW traffic nets.

It will be the digital guys who feel cramped.

Sweepstakes (voice) and FD only occur once a year each so not a significan
issue. Besides that, FD is all modes so the bands get nearly full top to
bottom anyway.

Dee, N8UZE

Iitoi wrote:
Dee Flint Wrote:

There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least.


Imagine this. Imagine all the CW and digital NTS traffic nets that now
operate in the 150KHz between 3600 and 3750, relocated down to the 75KHz
between 3525 and 3600. Imagine all the PSK and RTTY operators also
relocated down there. Imagine the Canadian SSB nets migrating down
there to avoid the US extras and Advanced. Imagine the folks already
operating there welcoming them with open arms --- NOT!. Then imagine
it is a domestic contest weekend, like SS or FD!

What could be the harm to CW?

In a sense the 3600Khz "band edge" simply "aligns" the traditional 80M
CW operating space with those spaces on 40 & 20. Both of which are
~100Khz wide as will be the case on 80. The sky never fell on 40 and 20
CW and it won't fall on 80 CW either.

w3rv


The Man in the Maze
QRM from Baboquivari Peak, AZ




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Iitoi

You couldn't be more wrong, Dee, even if you deliberately tried!

Have a look at your Net Directory. By my count there are nearly a thousand net sessions weekly in the 3600-3750 segment, mostly NTS/public service/traffic handlers/emergency training/CW training. This band segment (popular over all others with nets) was chosen for some very specific reasons, not the least of which because NVIS provides excellent and reliable short-to-mid-range characteristics not common on any other band.

FCC has chosen to relocate all those beneficial users below 3600, and give that space to the Extras and Advanced phone users complaining about their lumbago and hemerroids, the "Liberty Knet", and similar 'high value' uses. 80m phone has long been known as the cesspool of HF ham radio, and the FCC has chosen to almost double it's allocation.

Now isn't that interesting!

The Man in the Maze
QRL on Baboquivari Peak, AZ