"Dee Flint" wrote

Why? There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least.

As others here have pointed out, the current cw/rtty/data 225kHz segment between
3525-3750 is being compressed to just 75kHz between 3525-3600. That's a 3:1
compression ratio.

Now before you start your chant about "CW can transmit anywhere", consider that
this R&O puts 25% of the 75/80m band in the exclusive hands of Extras and
another 20% in the exclusive hands of Extra/Advanced. So almost half of the
band isn't available under *any mode* to Generals. As Iitoi pointed out, 80m CW
has long been a hotbed of public service and traffic handling nets (which depend
on Generals for manpower) --- good luck on this one now!

73, de Hans, K0HB

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In a sense the 3600Khz "band edge" simply "aligns" the traditional 80M
CW operating space with those spaces on 40 & 20. Both of which are
~100Khz wide as will be the case on 80. The sky never fell on 40 and 20
CW and it won't fall on 80 CW either.


Apples and cumquats, Brian. Do ALL the math.....

80m 3.5-3.6 CW/rtty/data = 100kc
40m 7.0-7.125 CW/rtty/data = 125kc
20m 14.0-14.15 CW/rtty/data = 150kc

73, de Hans, K0HB

Good try, Sir, but no cigar. It's not only about CW.

On 40 (including the latest change) CW/rtty/data get 125kHz (42% of the band)
On 20 CW/rtty/data get 150kHz (43% of the band)
On 75/80 (the widest of the three bands in your "alignment" comparison) CW/rtty/data get a mere 100kHz (20%) of the band.

If you consider the ~42% on 40/20 as a "fair share" for CW/rtty/data, then 42% on 80m would put the CW/rtty/data "band edge" just above 3700, fully twice as much space as this partially-baked R&O gives them.

Even K1ZZ could have put a better spin on this than you and the lady from Michigan are doing!

The Man in the Maze
QRV on Baboquivari Peak, AZ

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzztttttttttttttt! Bad answer.

On 80m (the band in question), Generals (the largest class of HF ops) are now excluded from almost half the band. No CW (or any other mode) for them 3.5-3.525, 3.6-3.8mHz. (Not to mention the newly-enfranchised Novice/Tech+ who really only gained a meager 25kHz on this band.)

The Man in the Maze
QSY on Baboquivari Peak, AZ

Who's worried about SS phone? They gain 150kHz of space on 80m.

CW ops are worried about SS CW, CQWW CW, ARRLDX CW, NAQP, WPX CW, CW-etc, etc. Then consider the hundreds of CW and rtty/data net sessions who up until now have been able to 'hide' up around 3.650 and above on all those contest weekends.

Are ostriches native to Michigan?

The Man in the Maze
QRO on Baboquivari Peak, AZ

KØHB wrote:
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In a sense the 3600Khz "band edge" simply "aligns" the traditional 80M
CW operating space with those spaces on 40 & 20. Both of which are
~100Khz wide as will be the case on 80. The sky never fell on 40 and 20
CW and it won't fall on 80 CW either.


Apples and cumquats, Brian. Do ALL the math.....

80m 3.5-3.6 CW/rtty/data = 100kc
40m 7.0-7.125 CW/rtty/data = 125kc
20m 14.0-14.15 CW/rtty/data = 150kc

The raw numbers don't mean a thing without taking into account the
other differences in the three bands. Specifically the differences in
the volume of activity per Khz per hour. Doesn't take much tuning
around the lower 100 Khz of each of the three bands to come to the
conclusion that the overall levels of activity on 40 & 20 are some
multiples of the level of activity on 80 and it's been that way since
before Hector was a pup. For the most part 80 is a great place to
indulge in pleasant in-country ragchews because there's seldom any DX
cw, DX SSB or foreign broadcast activity audible on 80 vs. all the QRM
40 & 20

So on this basis I'll stick: The little amount of 80M CW and data
activity which is found now above 3.600 will easily fit below 3.600 if
they chose to move and they'll still have more "elbow room" than we've
ever had on 40 & 20.

And no I'm not bleeding for the CW traffic nets either, they lost their
relevance on VJ day.

73, de Hans, K0HB

w3rv

KØHB wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote

Why? There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least.

As others here have pointed out, the current cw/rtty/data 225kHz segment between
3525-3750 is being compressed to just 75kHz between 3525-3600. That's a 3:1
compression ratio.

Now before you start your chant about "CW can transmit anywhere", consider that
this R&O puts 25% of the 75/80m band in the exclusive hands of Extras and
another 20% in the exclusive hands of Extra/Advanced. So almost half of the
band isn't available under *any mode* to Generals. As Iitoi pointed out, 80m CW
has long been a hotbed of public service and traffic handling nets (which depend
on Generals for manpower) --- good luck on this one now!

Somebody somewhere wrote "This is Incentive Licensing all over again".

73, de Hans, K0HB

w3rv

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"Dee Flint" wrote

Why? There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least.

As others here have pointed out, the current cw/rtty/data 225kHz segment
between 3525-3750 is being compressed to just 75kHz between 3525-3600.
That's a 3:1 compression ratio.

Now before you start your chant about "CW can transmit anywhere", consider
that this R&O puts 25% of the 75/80m band in the exclusive hands of Extras
and another 20% in the exclusive hands of Extra/Advanced. So almost half
of the band isn't available under *any mode* to Generals. As Iitoi
pointed out, 80m CW has long been a hotbed of public service and traffic
handling nets (which depend on Generals for manpower) --- good luck on
this one now!

73, de Hans, K0HB

Good reason to upgrade then. After reading the various FCC items, it looks
like they really want people to upgrade clear to the top license anyway.

Dee, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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Good reason to upgrade then.

Ah, yes...... "let them eat cake"

73, de Hans, K0HB

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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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Good reason to upgrade then.

Ah, yes...... "let them eat cake"

73, de Hans, K0HB


Not really. Based on everything that I have read, the object of having a
series of license classes was so that people could take the journey in
smaller, more manageable steps. It does not seem like it was intended that
people would only go part way and say "good enough".

I have recently elmered a woman to her Extra class license. She had no
technical background and little to no experience in amateur radio even
though she had a license (she never really got active). She passed with
flying colors. So any one can do it if they so choose. By the way she is
now quite active in the club, is getting on the air, and she will be joining
me to participate in the November Sweeps. While we will try for the Clean
Sweep, our main goal is to get all states so she can apply for WAS.

Dee, N8UZE