Rules:

1) Predict amount of change in ARS numbers between the IMPLEMENTATION date
of the R&O for elimination of code testing and one year from that date.
2) Calculation of the number of licenses will be done by N2EY under the
same principals that he uses now to calculate the number of licenses.
3) You must select whole numbers for your percentage.
4) You may select positive or negative percentages.
5) You may select a range but that range may not exceed a total of 4%.
Note that your average will be used to determine who is closest. If the
actual change is outside the range of everyone's guesses then the person
whose limit is closest will be the winner.
6) You must submit your guess no later than six months after the
IMPLEMENTATION date of the R&O.


Guesses submitted:

N8UZE: 1% less to 1% more
N2EY: 1% more to 2% more
KH6HZ: 1% less to 0% change.


Anyone else? Note if your guess doesn't show up on the list within a week,
it may mean that my ISP is blocking it or that you are on my blocked senders
list. You may still participate but you will have to have your guess
submitted by someone who is not blocked.

Dee, N8UZE

From: Dave Heil on Wed, Dec 27 2006 10:22 am

John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur
radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John".
There's always someone who is up for a challenge.

"Gettysburg" Address, "John".

Dave K8MN

You didn't give the street or house number of that Gettysburg
address. How could you miss that? Tsk, tsk.

And, FINALLY, neither will an autistic talent like "code tapping" assist
one in gaining an amateur ticket.

Neither learning or using the Morse Code has ever been an "autistic
talent" in any way, "John". It is a developed skill, like typing,
shooting, batting, throwing or a myriad of other talents.

To those of us who entered the Big Leagues of HF Radio over
a half century ago, the "AUTISTIC TALENT" metaphor DOES
have CORRECT merit. That it bugs the **** out of you is
just too band, ainit? :-)

Note: "Metaphor" is NOT the same as "semaphore."

If you don't like others waving a metaphor around, TS on
you. It ain't no crime.

Finally, CW is consigned to the trash
heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ...

Sorry, "John", Morse Code is not being consigned to any trash heap. It
is used daily in making thousands of contacts by radio amateurs.

Really? I thought RADIOS were needed first...?

You mean that ALL one needs is closing and opening a circuit
in the proper morse manner? Wow! What a mode!

Tell us what OTHER radio services still use morse code for
communications. [that should be easy...there ain't none]
Maritime radio was the first biggie user of radio and
nowadays they use Voice and Data...Voice on VHF in harbors
and inland waterways, on HF SSB on open ocean. Maritimers
began with morsemanship because that's all they had back
in the prehistory of radio. That changed. Maritimers
tossed morsemanship in the trash heap, the dumpster (those
are more metaphors, Dave, don't get all hissy fit on it).
Even the US CG stopped monitoring 500 KHz years ago.


However, it felt as if I was just learning it to
get the ticket, would immediately attempt to forget it after, would
certainly NEVER use it, and was darn "pi$$ed off" at being forced to do
it just to get the dern ticket!!!

Perhaps you just needed an attitude adjustment, "John". I learned it in
its most fundamental form, by the sound of each letter, in Scouting.

Wow! In Scouting! Oh, my, I was never in the Scouts.
My uniform was REAL and the first duty was "closing with
and destroying the enemy." shrug

Never learned any morsemanship in the Army...they weren't
teaching it to anyone but Field Radio MOS students then.
The US Military dropped morsemanship requirements for
military communications decades ago...

I learned higher speeds just in order to get an amateur ticket.

"Ticket?" To what? Ride the airwaves? See a performance
of some "No kids, no lids, no space cadet" morseman? To
see a sporting event featuring Nancy Kott (in golden gloves)
up against a no-coder? :-)

I never had to learn any morsemanship in 1952, 1962, 1972,
1982, 1992, 2002...for work or play. shrug

I got a Commercial radio operator license (First Class right
from the start) in 1956...a half century ago (plus a half year).
Helped get me started in Real radio (not with a bunch of
amateurs), earning a living and having lots of fun doing the
work.

I'd already worked three years on spanning the Pacific Ocean
on HF. With Big radio equipment. Amateur stuff would
somehow "teach me" such things via a federal amateur license?

I wasn't going to let anything stand in the way of my obtaining an amateur radio
license.

Wow! Big Dave doesn't let ANYTHING stand in HIS way! :-)

Big Dave is the Mighty Macho Morseman...unstoppable in his
refusual to recognize others having a different opinion
than his godly wisdom...

Finally, I used it, became better at it and enjoyed it. I've
been enjoying its use for over 43 years now.

How lovely! Something (finally) you are good at...and now
you want to keep forcing the code test on ALL newcomers
wanting below-30-MHz operating privileges!

So, whatever YOU enjoy is what EVERYONE ELSE should "enjoy?"

I'll be enjoying it long after code testing goes away.

Again, how lovely! Mighty Macho Morseman rides again with
the Four Morsemen of the Apocalypse!

["into the valley of dearth rode the four hundred..."]

I'll bet Big Dave will be "enjoying" morse long after he
has assumed room temperature... :-)

The Coroner will have to pry the code key from his cold,
dead fingers. Tsk, all that work imposed on government
officials...

5329,

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Wed, Dec 27 2006 10:22 am

John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur
radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John".
There's always someone who is up for a challenge.

"Gettysburg" Address, "John".
Dave K8MN

You didn't give the street or house number of that Gettysburg
address. How could you miss that? Tsk, tsk.

The Gettysburg Address is not the same as a Gettysburg address, poor
baby. Tskity tasket.

And, FINALLY, neither will an autistic talent like "code tapping" assist
one in gaining an amateur ticket.

Neither learning or using the Morse Code has ever been an "autistic
talent" in any way, "John". It is a developed skill, like typing,
shooting, batting, throwing or a myriad of other talents.

To those of us who entered the Big Leagues of HF Radio over
a half century ago, the "AUTISTIC TALENT" metaphor DOES
have CORRECT merit.

I submit that many entered the "Big Leagues of HF Radio" about the same
time as you. You are but one of them. You are the only one of them
comparing learning the Morse Code to an "AUTISTIC TALENT". As with so
many other things you've written here, you are in error. Typing in
capital letters and adding a "Tsk, tsk" here and there don't make your
views true.

That it bugs the **** out of you is
just too band, ainit? :-)

Leonard, I have little doubt that once all of the smoke clears away,
you'll still be attempting to open the box containing your Extra Class
amateur radio license.

Note: "Metaphor" is NOT the same as "semaphore."

....nor is "piccolo" the same as "pickle loaf".

If you don't like others waving a metaphor around, TS on
you. It ain't no crime.

If you want to wave a metaphor, make certain that it is a valid one.


Finally, CW is consigned to the trash
heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ...
Sorry, "John", Morse Code is not being consigned to any trash heap. It
is used daily in making thousands of contacts by radio amateurs.

Really? I thought RADIOS were needed first...?

Your juvenile behavior is showing, Leonard.

You mean that ALL one needs is closing and opening a circuit
in the proper morse manner? Wow! What a mode!

If that's what you come away with after reading a sentence which
includes the words "by radio amateurs", so be it.

Tell us what OTHER radio services still use morse code for
communications. [that should be easy...there ain't none]

It is then peculiar that I'm still hearing aviation beacons which use
Morse Code. I hear utility stations in the HF bands using Morse Code
for two way communication. That aside, I have little interest in the
modes other radio services use. I'm concerned with those which are used
in the service in which I am an active participant, amateur radio.

What's it to you, Len? Amateur radio still uses Morse Code. You aren't
a radio amateur and you aren't likely to be one.

Maritime radio was the first biggie user of radio and
nowadays they use Voice and Data...Voice on VHF in harbors
and inland waterways, on HF SSB on open ocean. Maritimers
began with morsemanship because that's all they had back
in the prehistory of radio. That changed. Maritimers
tossed morsemanship in the trash heap, the dumpster (those
are more metaphors, Dave, don't get all hissy fit on it).
Even the US CG stopped monitoring 500 KHz years ago.

None of those things are amateur radio. I made a number of 160m
contacts last night with Nordic and Russian radio amateurs. We used CW.
I do hope that's okay with you. Perhaps we should have thought to
check. No one involved had tossed the Morse Code into any dumpster.


However, it felt as if I was just learning it to
get the ticket, would immediately attempt to forget it after, would
certainly NEVER use it, and was darn "pi$$ed off" at being forced to do
it just to get the dern ticket!!!

Perhaps you just needed an attitude adjustment, "John". I learned it in
its most fundamental form, by the sound of each letter, in Scouting.

Wow! In Scouting! Oh, my, I was never in the Scouts.

I have no trouble believing that.

My uniform was REAL and the first duty was "closing with
and destroying the enemy." shrug

My Cub Scout and Boy Scout uniforms were very real. One could see and
touch them. We didn't receive any instructions on closing with and
destroying any enemy.

Come to think of it, I never received any instructions from the Air
Force about my duty to close with and destroy any enemies. In your time
in the Army, did you ever close with and/or destroy any enemy, Len? I'd
love to have you tell that story about what it is like to undergo an
artillery barrage. Did that really happen to you or did you make it up?

Never learned any morsemanship in the Army...they weren't
teaching it to anyone but Field Radio MOS students then.

That's good, Len. I never received any Morse Code training in the Air
Force either, though I passed a Morse Code receiving test as a part of
my Bypassed Specialist exams.

The US Military dropped morsemanship requirements for
military communications decades ago...

What has that to do with amateur radio, Len? I'm no longer in the
military. Are you?

I learned higher speeds just in order to get an amateur ticket.

"Ticket?" To what? Ride the airwaves?

You know, Leonard, that is exactly what it was.

See a performance
of some "No kids, no lids, no space cadet" morseman?

One could be treated to that by just tuning a receiver. No license was
required. The W2 who uttered those now-famous words was a phone man.

To
see a sporting event featuring Nancy Kott (in golden gloves)
up against a no-coder? :-)

If you'd sign for the bout, I'd pay to see it.

I never had to learn any morsemanship in 1952, 1962, 1972,
1982, 1992, 2002...for work or play. shrug

You don't have to learn any now. Let's call it one more thing that I
know and that you don't.

I got a Commercial radio operator license (First Class right
from the start) in 1956...a half century ago (plus a half year).

That "Extra right out of the box" has certainly given you more trouble,
hasn't it?

Helped get me started in Real radio (not with a bunch of
amateurs), earning a living and having lots of fun doing the
work.

Many of us have more experience than you in commercial, military or
governmental HF radio operations. Live with it.

I'd already worked three years on spanning the Pacific Ocean
on HF. With Big radio equipment. Amateur stuff would
somehow "teach me" such things via a federal amateur license?

Yes, Len, it could have.

I wasn't going to let anything stand in the way of my obtaining an amateur radio
license.

Wow! Big Dave doesn't let ANYTHING stand in HIS way! :-)

No, Len, I don't. Now what?

Big Dave is the Mighty Macho Morseman...unstoppable in his
refusual to recognize others having a different opinion
than his godly wisdom...

You don't react well to folks who don't share your opinions, Len.
Google and the FCC electronics records are loaded with examples of how
you react.

Finally, I used it, became better at it and enjoyed it. I've
been enjoying its use for over 43 years now.

How lovely! Something (finally) you are good at...and now
you want to keep forcing the code test on ALL newcomers
wanting below-30-MHz operating privileges!

Nobody can tell Big Leonard what to do. When the Morse Code exam is
removed, you'll still be trying to open the box holding that Extra ticket.

So, whatever YOU enjoy is what EVERYONE ELSE should "enjoy?"

Zoning changes.

I'll be enjoying it long after code testing goes away.

Again, how lovely! Mighty Macho Morseman rides again with
the Four Morsemen of the Apocalypse!

Whether you think it lovely or not, it is fact. Live with it.

["into the valley of dearth rode the four hundred..."]

How many? Is this quote another of your factual errors?

I'll bet Big Dave will be "enjoying" morse long after he
has assumed room temperature... :-)

That isn't possible, Len. The odds are that I'll be enjoying after you
have achieved room temperature.

The Coroner will have to pry the code key from his cold,
dead fingers. Tsk, all that work imposed on government
officials...

....while all you'll have is empty, cold, dead fingers.

5329,

Dave Heil wrote:
...

I'd say this is a good time for all the good 'ole boys to remain silent,
just as some are showing the intelligence and doing.

The FCC made it clear that they recognize that code was being used as a
method to control the numbers of amateurs allowed 'in.' Seems as if
someone in the FCC even found the male organs big enough to face up to
the "crimes" which were being committed against "John Doe Citizen" in
depriving of access to radio with insanity.

It is funny. It now stands obvious, selfish and self-centered hams
became to believe the lies which they were spouting to maintain such a
corrupt scheme, now they have grown blind and spout on making fools of
themselves. Even, going to the lengths to argue against stone cold
logic--nothing short of amazing.

It just goes to show you the dangers, act like an idiot long enough and
you become one!

JS

wrote in
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Bill Sohl wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples'
predictions on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So
who came closest? I know that I didn't.

Hello Robert,

SNIP
Here's an update on the "when will FCC drop Element 1?" pool.
This means the effective date of the FCC action that completely
eliminates Morse Code testing for any class of amateur radio
license in the USA.

Note how almost all the predicted dates and all of the *second*
predicted dates have already passed:

WA2SI: September 13, 2003 (first prediction)
KF6TPT: September 29, 2003
KC8EPO: December 31, 2003
K2UNK: January 1, 2004 (first prediction)
K2ASP: March 15, 2004
AA2QA: April 1, 2004
N2EY: April 15, 2004
N3KIP: May 1, 2004 (first prediction)
KC8PMX: July 1, 2004
WA2ISE: August 1, 2004
K3LT: September 15, 2004
WK3C: December 30, 2004
N4PGW: May 22, 2005
N8UZE: July 1, 2005 (first prediction)
N3KIP: December 31, 2005 (second prediction)
N8UZE: January 31, 2006 (second prediction)
N2EY: March 1, 2006 (second prediction)
KB9RQZ: April 1, 2006
K2UNK: July 1, 2006 (second prediction)
AB2RC: July 1, 2007
KB3EIA: July 5, 2007
W5TIT: June 1, 2008
WA2SI: Complete elimination not within the foreseeable future
(second prediction)

Right now it looks like AB2RC is the winner, with K2UNK a close
second.

Even though K2UNK's date is closer to the announcement date, the
rule states "effective date of the FCC action that completely
eliminates Morse Code testing for any class of amateur radio license
in the USA". Which cannot be any earlier than January 19, 2007, and
will probably be late February or even early March 2007 if the 60
day rule is in effect.

Hi Jim and the few others that can still post a mmessage in RRAP that
indicates some common sense, logic and respect.

Hello Bill!

Hey, a close second... :-)

Very close - but each day it gets closer to AB2RC's date.

Who'd a thought the FCC would footdrag as long as they did.

Not me! Heck, my *second* predicted date was almost a year ago, and my
first prediction almost three years ago.

When the treaty changed way back in 2003, the announcement on the ARRL
website said the process could take as long as two years. I thought
that was way too long. Turns out it's already more than 3-1/2 years!

Maybe I should start a new pool, in which people get to predict the
growth or decline in the number of US amateurs by a certain date
after the new rules.....

How about a pool on when the inmates running the RRAP asylum will
finalkly wear themselves out. I can't believe these characters have
the time which they devooote to their infintile and sophmoric
postings.

The moderated version of rrap will come on line soon. That will be a
different game entirely.

I suspect that, given the recent "omnibus" R&O and the code test R&O,
we will not see more changes to Part 97 for a long time.

Cheers to the goodguys like Jim who have stuck it out.

Thanks, but my time here is limited. I'll continue to post the ARS
license numbers and make some occasional comments, but the noise level
is so high that I read perhaps 2% of what is posted to rrap.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

Agreed. And a better 2007!

73 de Jim, N2EY



I think after the dust settles the big issue will be grandfathering Novices
and Advanceds to the next class up, i.e. tidying up the licence scheme. and
of course I still want more phone on 40, 20 and 15, but it will be a while
before the FCC will get back to these things. Maybe petitions on these
things would be dismissed if they were filed right now, but later on they
might succeed.

IOW, there are other outstanding issues, but IMHO things are moving in the
right direction.

I do wonder why this took 3 1/2 years. Maybe the large number of petitions
(18) and comments (zillions) had something to do with it. Maybe even Riley
had something to do with delaying it? Does he have that much influence?

73 de N3KIP

wrote in
oups.com:

Mike Coslo wrote:
wrote in
ups.com:

Bill Sohl wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples'
predictions on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses.
So who came closest? I know that I didn't.

Hello Robert,

SNIP
Here's an update on the "when will FCC drop Element 1?" pool.
This means the effective date of the FCC action that completely
eliminates Morse Code testing for any class of amateur radio
license in the USA.

Note how almost all the predicted dates and all of the *second*
predicted dates have already passed:

WA2SI: September 13, 2003 (first prediction)
KF6TPT: September 29, 2003
KC8EPO: December 31, 2003
K2UNK: January 1, 2004 (first prediction)
K2ASP: March 15, 2004
AA2QA: April 1, 2004
N2EY: April 15, 2004
N3KIP: May 1, 2004 (first prediction)
KC8PMX: July 1, 2004
WA2ISE: August 1, 2004
K3LT: September 15, 2004
WK3C: December 30, 2004
N4PGW: May 22, 2005
N8UZE: July 1, 2005 (first prediction)
N3KIP: December 31, 2005 (second prediction)
N8UZE: January 31, 2006 (second prediction)
N2EY: March 1, 2006 (second prediction)
KB9RQZ: April 1, 2006
K2UNK: July 1, 2006 (second prediction)
AB2RC: July 1, 2007
KB3EIA: July 5, 2007
W5TIT: June 1, 2008
WA2SI: Complete elimination not within the foreseeable future
(second prediction)

Right now it looks like AB2RC is the winner, with K2UNK a close
second.

Even though K2UNK's date is closer to the announcement date, the
rule states "effective date of the FCC action that completely
eliminates Morse Code testing for any class of amateur radio
license in the USA". Which cannot be any earlier than January 19,
2007, and will probably be late February or even early March 2007
if the 60 day rule is in effect.

Hi Jim and the few others that can still post a mmessage in RRAP
that indicates some common sense, logic and respect.

Hello Bill!

Hey, a close second... :-)

Very close - but each day it gets closer to AB2RC's date.

If only I had specified "announcement date", Bill would have won.

Who'd a thought the FCC would footdrag as long as they did.

Not me! Heck, my *second* predicted date was almost a year ago, and
my first prediction almost three years ago.

When the treaty changed way back in 2003, the announcement on the
ARRL website said the process could take as long as two years. I
thought that was way too long. Turns out it's already more than
3-1/2 years!

Maybe I should start a new pool, in which people get to predict
the growth or decline in the number of US amateurs by a certain
date after the new rules.....

How about a pool on when the inmates running the RRAP asylum will
finalkly wear themselves out. I can't believe these characters
have the time which they devooote to their infintile and sophmoric
postings.

The moderated version of rrap will come on line soon. That will be a
different game entirely.

I suspect that, given the recent "omnibus" R&O and the code test
R&O, we will not see more changes to Part 97 for a long time.

Cheers to the goodguys like Jim who have stuck it out.

Thanks, but my time here is limited. I'll continue to post the ARS
license numbers and make some occasional comments, but the noise
level is so high that I read perhaps 2% of what is posted to rrap.

Hey Jim,

Hello Mike

Since I started using Xnews, rrap is nice and clean.

I shall look for Xnews. Been using Googlegroups and searching by
various words and callsigns. Still an incredible amount of noise.

I'm curious about the "moderated" version of rrap. Will it be
fun
enough for the members?

Depends on what the members consider "fun".

I've seen enough in here to know that part of the fun is in the
namecalling.

For some. Not for me.

Even if one doesn't engage in it, they probably get something out of
it.

There *is* a certain satisfaction to pointing out when someone's
statements
are unsupported by facts and/or logic.

It just got way out of hand the past year.

What I saw happen was a war of words in which a few would take over
every thread.

And regarding the pool, I still say let's not call it
finished
until its finished.

I didn't call it finished. I simply said that AB2RC looks like the
winner.

If the effective date is July 2, 2007, you and AB2RC will be tied.
After that date, you'll be the frontrunner.

But July is a ways off. Even if it takes FCC 60 days to get the R&O in
the Federal Register, and even if the rules don't become effective
until 60 days after that, we're still talking late April or so. I think
it will happen a lot sooner.

The really interesting thing will be how the license numbers will be
affected.

Have a great New Year!

You, too. Straight Key Night starts on Sunday evening.

73 de Jim, N2EY



I use XNews. I still have to add each new sockpuppet to my killfile, but
it's quick and easy to do.

wrote in
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Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
ps.com...

wrote:
On 24 Dec 2006 07:10:34 -0800,
wrote:


Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples'
predictions on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses.
So who came closest? I know that I didn't.

That was N2EY's gig.

He posted about it a week or so ago, but it got buried under the
rubble of the Robesin wars.

he did not declare a winner

It hasn't been posted in the Fed Register yet... that could take
another 3 years...


While that is possible, it is much more likely (based on past history)
that it will be published in the Federal Register within 30 days of
having been posted on the FCC site. That would make it January 18 for
publication. Then it would normally be effective 30 days after that,
which would make the effectivity date February 17.

Or they may decide to get all their work caught up for the end of the
year and it could go into effect sooner.

Or they may want to push it through before the Democrats have control.

Either way, I've got my VE team lined up with additional members in
case we get an unusually large number of applicants in Feb, Mar, &
Apr. After that it should settle down to the normal or only slightly
higher than normal number of applicants.

Dee, N8UZE

Stock up on the no-doze and the baby wipes. You may have some long
sessions!


I'd say we will get more Generals, including some who are new hams, and a
few new Techs. There are definitely some Techs who are no longer active due
to cellphones, but as long as they remain licenced it doesn't affect the
question.

There is definitely a problem in that you can no longer get test manuals in
Radio Shack, or in any other store AFAIK. I tried to buy a General book for
my XYL yesterday, but couldn't.

My vote is 2-6% increase.

73 de N3KIP

Rules:

1) Predict amount of change in ARS numbers between the IMPLEMENTATION
date of the R&O for elimination of code testing and one year from that
date.
2) Calculation of the number of licenses will be done by N2EY under the
same principals that he uses now to calculate the number of licenses.
3) You must select whole numbers for your percentage.
4) You may select positive or negative percentages.
5) You may select a range but that range may not exceed a total of 4%.
Note that your average will be used to determine who is closest. If the
actual change is outside the range of everyone's guesses then the person
whose limit is closest will be the winner.
6) You must submit your guess no later than six months after the
IMPLEMENTATION date of the R&O.


Anyone else? Note if your guess doesn't show up on the list within a
week, it may mean that my ISP is blocking it or that you are on my blocked
senders list. You may still participate but you will have to have your
guess submitted by someone who is not blocked.

Guesses submitted:

N8UZE: 1% less to 1% more
N2EY: 1% more to 2% more
KH6HZ: 1% less to 0% change
N3KIP: 2% more to 6% more --- Added 12/29/06


Dee, N8UZE

"Alun L. Palmer" wrote in message
. ..
wrote in
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I think after the dust settles the big issue will be grandfathering
Novices
and Advanceds to the next class up, i.e. tidying up the licence scheme.
and
of course I still want more phone on 40, 20 and 15, but it will be a while
before the FCC will get back to these things. Maybe petitions on these
things would be dismissed if they were filed right now, but later on they
might succeed.

As adamant as the FCC has been on this, it's very doubtful that
grandfathering will ever happen. They've made it plain that they consider
it reasonable for people to pass the written tests for the upgrades. In
addition, at the rate the Novice licenses are decreasing they will be all
but gone in less than 10 years anyway.

You may be somewhat right on the phone issue. Actually though I would
expect to see them try the band plan approach (ala Europe) rather than the
regulatory approach. Bad thing here is that it will be a major issue on a
contest day as the contest ops will expand to fill the whole band instead of
just part of the band for any given contest as they do now.


IOW, there are other outstanding issues, but IMHO things are moving in the
right direction.

I do wonder why this took 3 1/2 years. Maybe the large number of petitions
(18) and comments (zillions) had something to do with it. Maybe even Riley
had something to do with delaying it? Does he have that much influence?

73 de N3KIP

I'm firmly convinced that the number of petitions was a major hang-up on
processing this. Each petition had a slightly different spin and each had a
significant number of comments. The FCC staff had to digest all this and
come to an agreement on just what approach would be taken.

Dee, N8UZE

"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Dave Heil wrote:
...

I'd say this is a good time for all the good 'ole boys to remain silent,
just as some are showing the intelligence and doing.

The FCC made it clear that they recognize that code was being used as a
method to control the numbers of amateurs allowed 'in.' Seems as if
someone in the FCC even found the male organs big enough to face up to the
"crimes" which were being committed against "John Doe Citizen" in
depriving of access to radio with insanity.

It is funny. It now stands obvious, selfish and self-centered hams became
to believe the lies which they were spouting to maintain such a corrupt
scheme, now they have grown blind and spout on making fools of themselves.
Even, going to the lengths to argue against stone cold logic--nothing
short of amazing.

It just goes to show you the dangers, act like an idiot long enough and
you become one!

JS

Both sides of the argument have hurt ham radio. Both sides told major lies.
Those who said code was a "lid filter, "right of passage", etc were wrong.
Those who maintained code was too hard for the average person, outmoded,
being used to control the numbers, etc were wrong. BOTH SIDES played to
emotionalism.

It will take a lot of work to repair the damage caused by those on both
sides who used false arguments.

Dee, N8UZE