Mike Coslo wrote:
"KH6HZ" wrote in news:8wOwh.239345$fh6.215432
@newsfe13.lga:

Dave Heil wrote:

Yep. Nobody has an innate right to post to a newsgroup.
Or, as we summarized in our Constitutional Law class in college:

"Your right to free speech does not mean you're entitled to a pulpit".

You remind me that there is a sizable fraction of people in the US
who believe that there shouldn't be free speech.

That's not right, Mike. I can write letters to the editors of all the
magazines I want. None of them is obliged to print my letters. I can
stand up in the middle of a movie theater and espouse some political
opinion. I'll be escorted out. I can attempt to heckle some politician
during a speech. I'll be shown the door.

There are venues where you have a right to speak and venues where you
don't have a right to be heard.

73,

Dave K8MN

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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 18:39:23 -0600, Mike Coslo
wrote:

"KH6HZ" wrote in news:8wOwh.239345$fh6.215432
:

Dave Heil wrote:

Yep. Nobody has an innate right to post to a newsgroup.

Or, as we summarized in our Constitutional Law class in college:

"Your right to free speech does not mean you're entitled to a pulpit".

You remind me that there is a sizable fraction of people in the US
who believe that there shouldn't be free speech.

excellent observation

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -


http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

for someone who's so into free speech, look what I found on your blog

trying to post a a dozen or so insulting coments to this blog just doesn't
work since i moderate them

obvious not the "straight" forward guy you profess to be



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Dave Heil wrote in
link.net:

Mike Coslo wrote:
"KH6HZ" wrote in news:8wOwh.239345$fh6.215432
@newsfe13.lga:

Dave Heil wrote:

Yep. Nobody has an innate right to post to a newsgroup.
Or, as we summarized in our Constitutional Law class in college:

"Your right to free speech does not mean you're entitled to a
pulpit".

You remind me that there is a sizable fraction of people in
the US
who believe that there shouldn't be free speech.

That's not right, Mike. I can write letters to the editors of all the
magazines I want. None of them is obliged to print my letters. I can
stand up in the middle of a movie theater and espouse some political
opinion. I'll be escorted out. I can attempt to heckle some
politician during a speech. I'll be shown the door.

There are venues where you have a right to speak and venues where you
don't have a right to be heard.

Hi Dave,

There certainly are. But we're not talking about a person in a movie
theatre. I'd much prefer to make the decision on whether or not I will
see someone's posts than have someone else make that decision for me.
And there lies the major problem. Those strange folk that live near you
are an obvious censor target, as well as those folk who were posting a
gazillion flames to each other the last year or so. But what about the
moderator who simply doesn't like another person. As an example, Cecil
and Len are in some people's killfiles. But I enjoy both of them very
much. I would assume that anyone who would put Len in a killfile would
also censor his posts. Those "anyones" could be moderators. And Cecil is
an enjoyable person to spar with on occasion, as well as a source of
knowledge.

Heck, I just looked at my bozo bin, and I have a couple hundred
people in there at least. I'm a censoring junkie. One weird post about
what some guy wants to do to another guy earns a permanent trip to the
bin.

But I'm deciding what shows up on my screen. Others may want other
people to decide what they see or don't see. Sheeple.

Hence my stance that there is a sizable number of people who
beleive that free speech is a nuisance.

Honestly, what would you do if you didn't have Len to fight with? I
suspect you would get bored and eventually stop posting.


- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -

On Feb 2, 10:36 am, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
I censor my self daily, ...

Would you mind quoting the dictionary definition
of "censor" that you are using above?
--
73, Cecil,http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Why? Are you going to join Dave Heil in playing Headmaster?

wrote:
Would you mind quoting the dictionary definition
of "censor" that you are using above?

Why? Are you going to join Dave Heil in playing Headmaster?

No, just trying to politely point out that you will not
find the definition of the way you are using the word.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Mike Coslo wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in
link.net:

Mike Coslo wrote:
"KH6HZ" wrote in news:8wOwh.239345$fh6.215432
@newsfe13.lga:

Dave Heil wrote:

Yep. Nobody has an innate right to post to a newsgroup.
Or, as we summarized in our Constitutional Law class in college:

"Your right to free speech does not mean you're entitled to a
pulpit".
You remind me that there is a sizable fraction of people in
the US
who believe that there shouldn't be free speech.
That's not right, Mike. I can write letters to the editors of all the
magazines I want. None of them is obliged to print my letters. I can
stand up in the middle of a movie theater and espouse some political
opinion. I'll be escorted out. I can attempt to heckle some
politician during a speech. I'll be shown the door.

There are venues where you have a right to speak and venues where you
don't have a right to be heard.

Hi Dave,

There certainly are. But we're not talking about a person in a movie
theatre. I'd much prefer to make the decision on whether or not I will
see someone's posts than have someone else make that decision for me.

That's fine, Mike. If you'd like to continue to post here, you may
continue to do so. I have no doubt that you'd be able to post anything
you've posted in the past to the moderated group.

And there lies the major problem. Those strange folk that live near you
are an obvious censor target, as well as those folk who were posting a
gazillion flames to each other the last year or so. But what about the
moderator who simply doesn't like another person.

What about him or her? Are you saying that you believe that the
moderators would be likely to not pass through a post base upon not
liking someone?

As an example, Cecil
and Len are in some people's killfiles.

Okay. I certainly understand why one of them might be. Mark is in my
killfile.

But I enjoy both of them very
much. I would assume that anyone who would put Len in a killfile would
also censor his posts.

I'm not following your logic. I think it is likely that many of Len's
posts wouldn't make it in the moderated group--not because of who he is,
but because he can't control himself.

Those "anyones" could be moderators. And Cecil is
an enjoyable person to spar with on occasion, as well as a source of
knowledge.

Cecil is going to be one of the moderators. You think the other
moderators are going to stop his posts?

Heck, I just looked at my bozo bin, and I have a couple hundred
people in there at least. I'm a censoring junkie. One weird post about
what some guy wants to do to another guy earns a permanent trip to the
bin.

That's not easy. Some of these guys change their posting names all of
the time. Even Mark has oodles of names he posts under.

But I'm deciding what shows up on my screen. Others may want other
people to decide what they see or don't see. Sheeple.

Post here. You can make all of the decisions you like. I don't know
why you feel that you have to limit yourself to the moderated group.

Hence my stance that there is a sizable number of people who
beleive that free speech is a nuisance.

You can find all sorts of free speech on this and other newsgroups.
Look at what some people choose to do with their right of free speech.
I can go to all sorts of places where I limit my right of free
speech--the theater I wrote of, a courtroom, a church, a school, a
public ceremony. There are also situations where someone's right of
free speech infringes my rights.

Honestly, what would you do if you didn't have Len to fight with? I
suspect you would get bored and eventually stop posting.

If and when the moderated group comes into play, I doubt you'll see me
post here. According to Len, his time here is coming to an end anyway.
I don't need Leonard Anderson to make me complete.

Dave K8MN

Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:
Would you mind quoting the dictionary definition
of "censor" that you are using above?

Why? Are you going to join Dave Heil in playing Headmaster?

No, just trying to politely point out that you will not
find the definition of the way you are using the word.

Careful, Cecil! You could be accused of making a prickish remark.

Dave K8MN

Honestly, what would you do if you didn't have Len to fight with? I
suspect you would get bored and eventually stop posting.

If and when the moderated group comes into play, I doubt you'll see me
post here. According to Len, his time here is coming to an end anyway.
I don't need Leonard Anderson to make me complete.

Dave K8MN

The only person who "needs" Len is, Len himself.

Aside from his "down his nose" attitude, Len is a meaningless sidebar in
these groups.

"Mike Coslo" wrote:

You remind me that there is a sizable fraction of people in the US
who believe that there shouldn't be free speech.

Hardly. Please do not put words in my mouth.

I fully support the right of folks like Mark Morgan to spew their excrement
all they want.


However, I also realize that freedom of speech does not mean you are
entitled to a free printing press provided by the government. Your freedom
of speech does not mean I have to be forced to listen (or read) what you
type.



Tell me Mike, 1) do you read each and every posting in this newsgroup?

2) Do you have a kill-file, or selectively choose to ignore postings from
certain posters?


If you answered either No to #1 or Yes to #2, then by your definition you
are practicing "censorship", aren't you?

73
kh6hz

for someone who's so into free speech, look what I found on your blog

you lack the right to violate my copyright

nor does endorsing free speech means I am under any obligation to
assit person in comting a crime
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

--
Poor Mark. He likes to paint himself as the defender of free speech on these
boards.

Problem is that there is no paint on his canvas.