Sad Story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/...kxBHNlYwN0bQ--

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070207/...uynO5AhH2o cA


http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard....T&f=3&t=145568

From: on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:57:12 -0500

On 7 Feb 2007 03:41:20 -0800, wrote:

Sad Story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/...ut_arrested;_y...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070207/...ut_arrested;_y...

http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard....T&f=3&t=145568

very dsad all over the news and nothing to due with policy

True, Mark, very true, but it illustrates how some radio
hobbyists have gone over the edge into having amateur
radio RULE THEIR LIVES AND THOUGHTS. :-)

"Lifestylers." A colloquial term for those who have the
notion, the fantasy, the delusion, that amateur radio is
the basis for everything, that everything revolves around
their hobby...and whatever They think.

These lifestylers seem to relish the attention the press
pay to scandalous events. The WANT to be identified with
scandal and resultant noteriety...provided there is the
least little mention of THEIR hobby, even if indirectly so.

It's difficult to understand why anyone wants to think
this particular story is suddenly "news," a day late
(and a dollar short). Anyone who has bothered to listen
to radio-TV-cable broadcasts, gets a daily newspaper,
will have known about it yesterday. It was a featured
item of notorious scandal and one person's emotional
upset.

But, the news networks paid scant attention to these
astronauts' required tasks and didn't mention that they
were "radio amateurs." [i.e., federally-licensed radio
amateurs] All the radio amateurs at QRZ had to make a
big deal out of that. In Captain Novak's case, she is
an Annapolis graduate, served as a military test pilot
(1,500 flying hours), a working mother of three
offspring. It is news that a female makes it to a
Captaincy in the USN, itself a rare thing. Add to that
all of the other things and it builds to a picture of
someone who has accomplished MUCH in the first half of
their life. But, look at what the "amateur community"
wants to featu A "HAM" Astronaut! "HAM" takes
precedence in the description of this person. AS IF
amateur radio was the driving force of her
accomplishments...AND later downfall.

"HAM astronaut," high emphasis on the "HAM." An emotional
descriptor used only by the HAM Lifestylers. Itself, such
selective description is an emotional fault of the life-
stylers not too different than what Captain Novak has
undergone in her rather bizarre "love affair" and attempted
kidnapping-battery of another woman. These emotionally-
driven individuals have escaped reality into some other
dark place in their heads. They've lost their objective
realization to the greater internal comfort of their
fantasies, misapplying what really matters with what they
personally desire...then attempt to judge others by their
own internal emotional 'standards.'

Amateur radio is a fun hobby, but it is ONLY a hobby in
the real world. That is NOT what the self-defined
paragons of the particular hobby of amateur radio define
it as...Novak was a "HAM" astronaut. Instead of being
influenced as a child of a real event (Armstrong-Aldrin
first steps on the moon), their inference is that "it was
due to an 'interest' in ham radio!" Not so. Passing a
25-question Technician license test is just one of MANY
and varied "tests" some astronauts are required to do.
Those other "HAM" astronauts are all required to perform
a role of Public Relations, to keep the public (taxpayers)
informed of NASA activities, keep the public interested
in NASA. That's not to discount the value of PR, that is
very real and it is a good service of government to the
people. But, it is a gross misuse of the inference that
amateur radio was such a significant impetus to cause
them to be such great achievers.

I am waiting for the first actor to have an amateur radio
license. Will the ARRL dub them a "HAM Actor?" :-)
I say if such happened, AMPAS would have some unkind words
for the League...and some wide-ranging PR contacts of its
own that the ARRL could never top... :-)

wrote in message
ups.com...
Sad Story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/...kxBHNlYwN0bQ--

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070207/...uynO5AhH2o cA


http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard....T&f=3&t=145568

I love it...Billy-O?

We used to wonder what would happen to the first generation of kids that was
raised in day care centers while their mothers joined the work force. This
must be the result.

wrote in message
...
On 7 Feb 2007 03:41:20 -0800, wrote:

Sad Story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/...kxBHNlYwN0bQ--

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070207/...uynO5AhH2o cA


http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard....T&f=3&t=145568


very dsad all over the news and nothing to due with policy

heh heh heh, an astronaut wearing a trench coat, a wig and diapers. What's
NOT funny about that?! :-))

wrote:
From: on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:57:12 -0500

On 7 Feb 2007 03:41:20 -0800, wrote:

Sad Story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/...ut_arrested;_y...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070207/...ut_arrested;_y...
http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard....T&f=3&t=145568
very dsad all over the news and nothing to due with policy

True, Mark, very true, but it illustrates how some radio
hobbyists have gone over the edge into having amateur
radio RULE THEIR LIVES AND THOUGHTS. :-)

Many of us--and I don't mean to make it sound as if I'm including
you--are radio amateurs. While amateur radio doesn't rule our lives, it
may play a big part in our lives. I can understand that someone in your
position might think that strange.

"Lifestylers." A colloquial term for those who have the
notion, the fantasy, the delusion, that amateur radio is
the basis for everything, that everything revolves around
their hobby...and whatever They think.

Some of us might think it very odd that a fellow who is not a radio
amateur would devote a large amount of time posting to and reading an
amateur radio newsgroup.

These lifestylers seem to relish the attention the press
pay to scandalous events. The WANT to be identified with
scandal and resultant noteriety...provided there is the
least little mention of THEIR hobby, even if indirectly so.

I think it might be of interest to radio amateurs that one of their
number is arrested on attempted murder charges. Is it alright with you
if some of us are interested in the story?

It's difficult to understand why anyone wants to think
this particular story is suddenly "news," a day late
(and a dollar short). Anyone who has bothered to listen
to radio-TV-cable broadcasts, gets a daily newspaper,
will have known about it yesterday. It was a featured
item of notorious scandal and one person's emotional
upset.

I was interested in it yesterday. It was not mentioned by Fox News, CNN
or NBC News that the astronaut holds an amateur radio license. Is it
alright with you if we look at other sources of information?

But, the news networks paid scant attention to these
astronauts' required tasks and didn't mention that they
were "radio amateurs." [i.e., federally-licensed radio
amateurs] All the radio amateurs at QRZ had to make a
big deal out of that. In Captain Novak's case, she is
an Annapolis graduate, served as a military test pilot
(1,500 flying hours), a working mother of three
offspring. It is news that a female makes it to a
Captaincy in the USN, itself a rare thing. Add to that
all of the other things and it builds to a picture of
someone who has accomplished MUCH in the first half of
their life. But, look at what the "amateur community"
wants to featu A "HAM" Astronaut! "HAM" takes
precedence in the description of this person. AS IF
amateur radio was the driving force of her
accomplishments...AND later downfall.

I can see that you're getting worked into a lather. She's an ASTRONAUT
ham. She's a NAVY ham. She's a PILOT ham. She's has THREE CHILDREN
and she's a ham. She's an ATTEMPTED MURDERER and a ham. She wore a
WIG, had a bag full of PECULIAR ITEMS, wore a DIAPER and is a ham.
Feel better?


Amateur radio is a fun hobby...

....or so you've been told.

...but it is ONLY a hobby in
the real world.

Now THERE'S a brilliant statement.

That is NOT what the self-defined
paragons of the particular hobby of amateur radio define
it as...Novak was a "HAM" astronaut. Instead of being
influenced as a child of a real event (Armstrong-Aldrin
first steps on the moon), their inference is that "it was
due to an 'interest' in ham radio!" Not so.

That seems to be your inference, Len.

I am waiting for the first actor to have an amateur radio
license. Will the ARRL dub them a "HAM Actor?" :-)

It's a little late for you to get the Extra "right out of the box", but
you could still get it. After all, you have the AFTRA card and seem
interested in showing around.




Dave

On Feb 7, 5:06 pm, "
wrote:


I am waiting for the first actor to have an amateur radio
license. Will the ARRL dub them a "HAM Actor?" :-)

Sweetums you silly old putz, once again you're demonstrating how
completely out of touch with ham radio you really are. You want actors
who have been or are hams? We got 'em Sweets. In spades. How 'bout
Marlon Brando KE6PZH/FO5GJ? Or Priscilla Presley. Will Donnie Osmond
KA7EVD or Andy Devine WB^RER do? Then there's always Brigadier General
Jimmy Stewart N6KGB . . want the rest of the list?

I say if such happened, AMPAS would have some unkind words
for the League...and some wide-ranging PR contacts of its
own that the ARRL could never top... :-)



w3rv

On Feb 7, 6:09?pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
wrote in message

ups.com...

Sad Story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/...ut_arrested;_y...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070207/...ut_arrested;_y...

http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard....T&f=3&t=145568

I love it...Billy-O?

We used to wonder what would happen to the first generation of kids that was
raised in day care centers while their mothers joined the work force. This
must be the result.

Huh?

The person in question is 43 years old, which means she was born in
1963 or 1964. And there's no indication of how she was raised.

It's a sad, sad story no matter how you look at it, IMHO.

Jim, N2EY

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:42:45 GMT, Dave Heil
wrote:

wrote:
From: on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:57:12 -0500

On 7 Feb 2007 03:41:20 -0800, wrote:

Sad Story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/...ut_arrested;_y...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070207/...ut_arrested;_y...
http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard....T&f=3&t=145568
very dsad all over the news and nothing to due with policy

True, Mark, very true, but it illustrates how some radio
hobbyists have gone over the edge into having amateur
radio RULE THEIR LIVES AND THOUGHTS. :-)

Many of us--and I don't mean to make it sound as if I'm including
you--are radio amateurs. While amateur radio doesn't rule our lives, it
may play a big part in our lives. I can understand that someone in your
position might think that strange.

still has nothing to due with policy Dave

And YOU are not a moderator, Mark. Shut up.

From: on 7 Feb 2007 16:45:25 -0800

On Feb 7, 5:06 pm, " wrote:

I am waiting for the first actor to have an amateur radio
license. Will the ARRL dub them a "HAM Actor?" :-)

Sweetums you silly old putz, once again you're demonstrating how
completely out of touch with ham radio you really are.

Oh, oh, the "Trustee from the Tool Room" stepped out of
his little machine shop and re-reading of "Gullible's
Travels" to babble some inanities about Inane Radio:

You want actors
who have been or are hams? We got 'em Sweets. In spades.

"In spades?" Oh, my, NO. US amateur radio does NOT
attract "persons of color!" Hardly ANY black people
are shown in ham magazine photographs.

How 'bout Marlon Brando KE6PZH/FO5GJ?

What about him? He was a borderline nut-case, a recluse,
despite being recognized by his craft as one of the top-
most ACTORS of his or any time. Unquestionably a great
ACTOR, one who would make the audience really believe
he WAS the character he portrayed. Yes, he owned a
whole island in French Polynesia and liked screwing
around with French women. Feel free to ACT that part,
why don't you? :-)

Do you have a VALID copy of his French license certificate?
Does anyone? Is it really an amateur license or is it
a commercial one? Is there a US record of "KE6PZH" that is
VALID? No. The only "record" is HERESAY, on someone's list
on the Internet. A quick search on the Internet will come
up with many COPIES of that same "list" on other sites.
Copying the SAME list over and over again doesn't make it
true.

Did Marlon Brando have a dog named "Fideaux?" :-)

Tsk, you will find that celebrities generate all kinds of
tales from all the wanna-bes, those that want to attach
Their activity to the rich/famous...in hopes that others
will "respect" them by having the rich/famous aura rub off
on them.

Marlon Brando was born Marlon Brando. His surname came
from (way back) a German immigrant who spelled it 'Brandau'
then offspring altered it to 'Brandow' and finally to
'Brando.' The "Brandeaux" surname doesn't appear in USA
records for Marlon Brando. Not at the FCC, not anywhere
except in some AMATEUR Innernet listings...which the listers
say "isn't 'absolutely' accurate." Read the fine print at
those "list" sites.

Am I or anyone SUPPOSED to accept the ARRL's "word" for
it that whatever They say is "TRUTH?" No. ARRL is a
membership organization and a publication manufacterer.
Like all sales and marketing folk, they are purveyors
of "feeling good" to their buyers. They "make an offer
ya can't refuse." :-)

Or Priscilla Presley.

No official record.

Will Donnie Osmond KA7EVD or Andy Devine WB^RER do?

Neither one is a recognized ACTOR. Not here in this part
of the USA that is also the entertainment capitol of the
world.

There is NO official record of Donnie Osmond the enter-
tainer as "KA7EVD." Station callsign "WB6RER" belongs
to the Kingman, AZ, "Haualapai Amateur Radio Club" and
that ARC says "they celebrate Andy Devine Day annually."
NO connection between entertainment person Andy Devine
and official US records seem to exist.

Note: Younger folk cannot 'connect' to Andy Devine of
many years ago, that being before their time. They
MIGHT be able to recognize 'Devine,' a transsexual
actor of more modern times. NO relationship.

Then there's always Brigadier General Jimmy Stewart N6KGB

There is? :-) On official records of the FCC, his
name would appear as 'James Stewart' or 'James M. Stewart'
or possibly 'James Maitland Stewart." Depending on the
list source, there are (4) 'James M. Stewart' listings
at www.qrz.org and (8) listings for 'James M. Stewart'
at www.arrl.org. He was called AND listed as 'Jimmy
Stewart' in the movie and TV industry out of affection
of his fellow craftspersons. Strangely, the only
biographic mention of any amateur radio activity is
found ONLY in amateur-radio-interest publications and
websites.

. . want the rest of the list?

No. Common professional names are easy to fake or
impersonate. Especially the recluses such as Marlon
Brando (alleged to have used the pseudonym 'Martin
Brumby' in talking "all night long to ship traffic
in the Pacific" according to one in the UK). Note:
one "list" site has Brando's alleged licenses as
"WA6RBU" and "F0SGQ."

Some REAL people in the entertainment industry WERE
licensed radio amateurs. One is the author of the
novel "The French Atlantic Affair" wherein an on-
board passenger helps thwart hijackers of a fictitious
French ocean liner through a ham radio contact with a
Santa Monica, CA, amateur relaying to the Rand
Corporation. Good novel, long but suspenseful, was
made into a terribly-distorted two-part microseries
for TV. Look him up on Amazon. SK.

Roy Neal (professional name, SK), long-time KNBC-TV
reporter here, good air appearance, watched him work
before a remote camera at the LA Convention Center.
Retired from NBC a bit before (?) Bill Amidon, the
real licensed radio amateur who began selling iron
powder and ferrite cores in small quantities to radio
hobbyists.

Senator Barry Goldwater was a publicized licensed
radio amateur, no question. However, he wasn't (in
the absolute sense) an ACTOR. Now there's quite some
debate on whether or not politicians are actors, but
that is beside the point. :-)

I say if such happened, AMPAS would have some unkind words
for the League...and some wide-ranging PR contacts of its
own that the ARRL could never top... :-)

Sonny, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences
(AMPAS) AND the Association of Film and Radio Artists
(AFTRA) aren't "small" or "hobby" organizations in the
Multi-BILLION-dollar industry of entertainment, something
that affects USA economy AND USA social fabric in a very
direct way. Calling a pro actor a HAM ACTOR is almost
an ultimate pejorative, a personal swear word against
them. Lots and lots of licensed, practicing legal typse
in this city make their living (very comfortable ones)
on defending/prosecuting those who cuss out high-income
professional actors or speak nasty to them. ARRL is very
SMALL potatoes in that scene...wouldn't stand a chance.

All you've stated in your non-illuminating babble of
"factoids" is UNPROVEN call sign owners or DEAD people.
The entertainment industry is constantly bringing up
NEW performers, constantly generating entertainment of
many kinds. WHERE are the licensed radio amateurs among
them? What have YOU done to get NEW folks into amateur
radio? Chip in some pocket change for a group gift of
(wow!) $100 "incentive" to become licensed with a code
test before 23 Feb 07? You can't hold back the dawn
by pinching coins from the petty cash drawer as
"incentive."

Now go back to dreaming dreams, olde tymer, like the
episode of shooting bears for naval intelligence. It
will make YOU feel very good. Won't matter one whit to
reality, though, it goes on without your bluster and
bravado.

LA

On Feb 8, 3:06 pm, "
wrote:
From: on 7 Feb 2007 16:45:25 -0800

On Feb 7, 5:06 pm, " wrote:
I am waiting for the first actor to have an amateur radio
license. Will the ARRL dub them a "HAM Actor?" :-)

Sweetums you silly old putz, once again you're demonstrating how
completely out of touch with ham radio you really are.

Oh, oh, the "Trustee from the Tool Room" stepped out of
his little machine shop and re-reading of "Gullible's
Travels" to babble some inanities about Inane Radio:

You want actors
who have been or are hams? We got 'em Sweets. In spades.

"In spades?" Oh, my, NO. US amateur radio does NOT
attract "persons of color!" Hardly ANY black people
are shown in ham magazine photographs.

How 'bout Marlon Brando KE6PZH/FO5GJ?

What about him? He was a borderline nut-case, a recluse,
despite being recognized by his craft as one of the top-
most ACTORS of his or any time. Unquestionably a great
ACTOR, one who would make the audience really believe
he WAS the character he portrayed. Yes, he owned a
whole island in French Polynesia and liked screwing
around with French women. Feel free to ACT that part,
why don't you? :-)

Do you have a VALID copy of his French license certificate?
Does anyone? Is it really an amateur license or is it
a commercial one? Is there a US record of "KE6PZH" that is
VALID? No. The only "record" is HERESAY, on someone's list
on the Internet. A quick search on the Internet will come
up with many COPIES of that same "list" on other sites.
Copying the SAME list over and over again doesn't make it
true.

Did Marlon Brando have a dog named "Fideaux?" :-)

Tsk, you will find that celebrities generate all kinds of
tales from all the wanna-bes, those that want to attach
Their activity to the rich/famous...in hopes that others
will "respect" them by having the rich/famous aura rub off
on them.

Marlon Brando was born Marlon Brando. His surname came
from (way back) a German immigrant who spelled it 'Brandau'
then offspring altered it to 'Brandow' and finally to
'Brando.' The "Brandeaux" surname doesn't appear in USA
records for Marlon Brando. Not at the FCC, not anywhere
except in some AMATEUR Innernet listings...which the listers
say "isn't 'absolutely' accurate." Read the fine print at
those "list" sites.

Am I or anyone SUPPOSED to accept the ARRL's "word" for
it that whatever They say is "TRUTH?" No. ARRL is a
membership organization and a publication manufacterer.
Like all sales and marketing folk, they are purveyors
of "feeling good" to their buyers. They "make an offer
ya can't refuse." :-)

Or Priscilla Presley.

No official record.

Will Donnie Osmond KA7EVD or Andy Devine WB^RER do?

Neither one is a recognized ACTOR. Not here in this part
of the USA that is also the entertainment capitol of the
world.

There is NO official record of Donnie Osmond the enter-
tainer as "KA7EVD." Station callsign "WB6RER" belongs
to the Kingman, AZ, "Haualapai Amateur Radio Club" and
that ARC says "they celebrate Andy Devine Day annually."
NO connection between entertainment person Andy Devine
and official US records seem to exist.

Note: Younger folk cannot 'connect' to Andy Devine of
many years ago, that being before their time. They
MIGHT be able to recognize 'Devine,' a transsexual
actor of more modern times. NO relationship.

Then there's always Brigadier General Jimmy Stewart N6KGB

There is? :-) On official records of the FCC, his
name would appear as 'James Stewart' or 'James M. Stewart'
or possibly 'James Maitland Stewart." Depending on the
list source, there are (4) 'James M. Stewart' listings
atwww.qrz.organd (8) listings for 'James M. Stewart'
atwww.arrl.org. He was called AND listed as 'Jimmy
Stewart' in the movie and TV industry out of affection
of his fellow craftspersons. Strangely, the only
biographic mention of any amateur radio activity is
found ONLY in amateur-radio-interest publications and
websites.

. . want the rest of the list?

No. Common professional names are easy to fake or
impersonate. Especially the recluses such as Marlon
Brando (alleged to have used the pseudonym 'Martin
Brumby' in talking "all night long to ship traffic
in the Pacific" according to one in the UK). Note:
one "list" site has Brando's alleged licenses as
"WA6RBU" and "F0SGQ."

Some REAL people in the entertainment industry WERE
licensed radio amateurs. One is the author of the
novel "The French Atlantic Affair" wherein an on-
board passenger helps thwart hijackers of a fictitious
French ocean liner through a ham radio contact with a
Santa Monica, CA, amateur relaying to the Rand
Corporation. Good novel, long but suspenseful, was
made into a terribly-distorted two-part microseries
for TV. Look him up on Amazon. SK.

Roy Neal (professional name, SK), long-time KNBC-TV
reporter here, good air appearance, watched him work
before a remote camera at the LA Convention Center.
Retired from NBC a bit before (?) Bill Amidon, the
real licensed radio amateur who began selling iron
powder and ferrite cores in small quantities to radio
hobbyists.

Senator Barry Goldwater was a publicized licensed
radio amateur, no question. However, he wasn't (in
the absolute sense) an ACTOR. Now there's quite some
debate on whether or not politicians are actors, but
that is beside the point. :-)

I say if such happened, AMPAS would have some unkind words
for the League...and some wide-ranging PR contacts of its
own that the ARRL could never top... :-)

Sonny, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences
(AMPAS) AND the Association of Film and Radio Artists
(AFTRA) aren't "small" or "hobby" organizations in the
Multi-BILLION-dollar industry of entertainment, something
that affects USA economy AND USA social fabric in a very
direct way. Calling a pro actor a HAM ACTOR is almost
an ultimate pejorative, a personal swear word against
them. Lots and lots of licensed, practicing legal typse
in this city make their living (very comfortable ones)
on defending/prosecuting those who cuss out high-income
professional actors or speak nasty to them. ARRL is very
SMALL potatoes in that scene...wouldn't stand a chance.

All you've stated in your non-illuminating babble of
"factoids" is UNPROVEN call sign owners or DEAD people.
The entertainment industry is constantly bringing up
NEW performers, constantly generating entertainment of
many kinds. WHERE are the licensed radio amateurs among
them? What have YOU done to get NEW folks into amateur
radio? Chip in some pocket change for a group gift of
(wow!) $100 "incentive" to become licensed with a code
test before 23 Feb 07? You can't hold back the dawn
by pinching coins from the petty cash drawer as
"incentive."

Now go back to dreaming dreams, olde tymer, like the
episode of shooting bears for naval intelligence. It
will make YOU feel very good. Won't matter one whit to
reality, though, it goes on without your bluster and
bravado.

Heh-heh. Mission accomplished Sweets, you met my expectations again.
Trolling you is sorta like chumming the bottom of a barrel full of
catfish, can't miss.

LA

w3rv