Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith I wrote:
Let us see high school electronic classes assisting students get ham
tickets.

I teach GED classes in the local cisd system. The
web server firewall blocks access to anything associated
with amateur radio because it is "entertainment".
www.arrl.org access is blocked right along with all the
other undesirable web sites. My protestations have
fallen on deaf ears.

Cecil:

I was lucky, we got the college to purchase "sheriff cards" for ALL the
PCs in our computer labs.

Each time a new student logs on, the OS is complete reinstalled in
memory and rebooted--NO TROJANS, NO KEY-LOGGERS, NO VIRUSES, ETC. And,
this is QUICK!!!

There is not a site on the planet we have to "shield" our computers
and/or labs from, free speech and free access to information is the
foundation of our labs. The students at our institution are privileged
to the most democratic form of data sharing I can possibly imagine, the
value of this is demonstrated by the caliber and quality of our CS grads.

However, this was a hard fought fight. With the IT management and
security fighting every move towards open access ...

Ignorance, control and "secrets" are the most evil of evils ...

Regards,
JS

"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

[a LOT of stuff I clipped]

Yes. Yes I am loyal to amateur radio.

However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods,
beliefs and practices. I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to
principals, advancement and progress.

You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all
about me."

Stefan Wolfe wrote:
You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world.
"It's all about me."

Blame it on the design of the species. Even when one
is benevolent, it is because one gets pleasure from
being benevolent.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

On Feb 22, 3:59�pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
"John Smith I" wrote in ...

Stefan Wolfe wrote:

[a LOT of stuff I clipped]

Yes. *Yes I am loyal to amateur radio.

However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods,
beliefs and practices. *I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to
principals, advancement and progress.

You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all
about me."

Oh! Understand. It is all about YOU! :-)

Everyone MUST be loyal to YOUR opinions?

LA

On Feb 21, 11:56�pm, John Smith I wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

* [a LOT of stuff I clipped]

Yes. *Yes I am loyal to amateur radio.

However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear,
nor antiquated methods,
beliefs and practices. *I am NOT loyal to personalities, but
DAMN LOYAL
to principals, advancement and progress.

OK so far - as long as there's room for the old as well
as the new.

My interests in electronics and things relating to
electronics have also
held my interests and "loyalties."

Same here.

*However, electronics have evolved.
Most of the electronic "gear" I now work with is
never meant to be
built, maintained nor repaired by human hands. *
It is meant to grow
obsolete in a matter of years and be replaced. *

What used to be called "planned obsolescence".
Not a new idea at all the term has been around
more than 50 years.

Is planned obsolescence a good thing?

When amateur radio
becomes current, its' gear will be of a likewise state.

Is that really in our best interests?

Things change. *

*Some* things change. And not all change is for
the better.

Amateur radio does not exist in a vacuum, it must adapt
also. *It has been held hostage by a relative few who
have stalled its' advancement.

You mean the FCC.

*However, it always has been subject to the same rules
which govern all: *Adapt and evolve or become extinct.

Ever hear of a fish called the coelecanth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelecanth

The oldest fossil coelecanths date back 410 million years. Coelecanths
were though to have gone extinct
more than 65 million years ago - until living
specimens were found...

How did they survive so long without changing?

There are lots of other examples. Evolution is
more complex than "Adapt and evolve or become extinct."


Now, at this brink of extinction, it is time for change ... and no one
likes change but a wet baby--and even they often cry when the change is
implemented ...

What brink of extinction?

There are over 650,000 hams in the USA alone.

And I, for one, do like change - if it's change
for the better.


All of us will die, let amateur radio live on and eventually reach a
state where none alive today would ever recognize it, but most of all,
let it become relevant and important and of valid use to those of the
future who we will never meet. *Let us leave them something they can
thank us for.

Such as?

Jim, N2EY

From: on 22 Feb 2007 16:38:35 -0800

On Feb 21, 11:56?pm, John Smith I wrote:
Stefan Wolfe wrote:


Ever hear of a fish called the coelecanth?

I've seen a Fish Called Wanda...enjoyable comedy.

Are coelecanths good with garlic butter?


The oldest fossil coelecanths date back 410 million years. Coelecanths
were though to have gone extinct
more than 65 million years ago - until living
specimens were found...

How can a fish "were though to have gone extinct?"

Are you thinking? Have you any thoughts on it?


How did they survive so long without changing?

They were morse code qualified?

They were members of the ACLU [Ancient Coelecanth
Longevity Union, Oldington, CT] ?


There are lots of other examples. Evolution is
more complex than "Adapt and evolve or become extinct."

They became code-tested amateur extras and reached
immortality?

Now, at this brink of extinction, it is time for change ... and no one
likes change but a wet baby--and even they often cry when the change is
implemented ...

What brink of extinction?

There are over 650,000 hams in the USA alone.

Other than yourself, how many are coelecanths?

Are any of them coelecans?


And I, for one, do like change - if it's change
for the better.

Tsk, ancient coelecanth, you've stated over and over that
elimination of the US amateur radio code test is a BAD
THING. Bad, bad...go sit in corner.

The CHANGE was obviously not a good one to you.

Did they find you in Woods Hole?

Do you know what time it is on your Fossil watch?

LA?

"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:

...
And your specific proposals are? Just saying that one needs to avoid the
old and come up with something new is useless. Concrete ideas and
specific plans are needed.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee:

Concrete and specific?

OK. Let us persuade manufactures to create more transceivers which plug
into our computer buses (pci/usb/etc.) Let the standard amateur amp be a
1mhz-12ghz laboratory amp.


Most of the new transceivvers do plug into our computers so that one is
already done.
How are you going to convince manufacturers to produce these amps. Goods
live and die by supply and demand. Such an amp will be expensive no matter
where or by whom it is produced.

Let us see these mass produced in china and the cost drop by magnitudes.

Again goods live and die by supply and demand. There demand isn't high
enough for this to happen.

Let us see high school electronic classes assisting students get ham
tickets.


This is a goal that needs more detailed thought. Who is going to lead the
effort to convince the states and local school boards to add this to
electronics classes?
Who is going to lead the effort to have high schools even have electronics
classes. None of the schools my children attended even had a classe.
Who is going to lead the effort to make such a class a requirement for all
high school students? Afterall you do want to reach everyone.

You can't just throw the idea out there and expect some one else to pick up
the ball and run with it.

Let us put the focus of amateur radio where it rightly belongs, equipment
and licenses in the hands of those who are making the future while living
towards the future.


These days it's difficult to find people really interested in pursuing
technology of any kinds. Most people fall into the user category and simply
expect technology to be available for whatever it is they want to do. They
are not interested in creating the technology. We are becoming a society of
consumers not creators.

Dee, N8UZE

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:59:54 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe"
wrote:


"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

[a LOT of stuff I clipped]

Yes. Yes I am loyal to amateur radio.

However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods,
beliefs and practices. I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to
principals, advancement and progress.

You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all
about me."


Actually, I think that, if you look really close, you would see that
it was the rest of the world who advanced before we did in this
particular instance. We have just caught up.

On Feb 23, 6:25�am, Bob Brock wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:59:54 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe"
wrote:







"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Stefan Wolfe wrote:

[a LOT of stuff I clipped]

Yes. *Yes I am loyal to amateur radio.

However, I am not loyal to antique radio gear, nor antiquated methods,
beliefs and practices. *I am NOT loyal to personalities, but DAMN LOYAL to
principals, advancement and progress.

You are only loyal to your own cause. damn the rest of the world. "It's all
about me."

Actually, I think that, if you look really close, you would see that
it was the rest of the world who advanced before we did in this
particular instance. *We have just caught up.

True enough. The USA wasn't even "second best." In fact,
it wasn't even twentieth best.

LA

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