Kim W5TIT wrote:

Whenever I used to bootleg--and I did before I was licensed, I always made
extra sure to stay out of ham radio frequencies--most hams know too much
about R&R and DFing.

Such seems in character for you, Kim.

I won't do it now but only because I don't want to
compromise my license.

So, not because it was illegal, only so you don't lose your license.

Dave K8MN

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
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Kim W5TIT wrote:

Whenever I used to bootleg--and I did before I was licensed, I always
made
extra sure to stay out of ham radio frequencies--most hams know too much
about R&R and DFing.

Such seems in character for you, Kim.

I won't do it now but only because I don't want to
compromise my license.

So, not because it was illegal, only so you don't lose your license.

Dave K8MN

Absolutely! The only reason I don't kill someone is because I don't believe
in killing; not because it's illegal. Do you only refrain from doing things
because they are illegal? You really should get out of that book!

Kim W5TIT


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Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Kim W5TIT wrote:

Whenever I used to bootleg--and I did before I was licensed, I always
made
extra sure to stay out of ham radio frequencies--most hams know too much
about R&R and DFing.

Such seems in character for you, Kim.

I won't do it now but only because I don't want to
compromise my license.

So, not because it was illegal, only so you don't lose your license.


Absolutely! The only reason I don't kill someone is because I don't believe
in killing; not because it's illegal. Do you only refrain from doing things
because they are illegal? You really should get out of that book!

So you don't believe in killing someone (which is illegal) but you
didn't mind bootlegging on the radio (which is illegal). You believe in
one but not the other. You'd have us believe that it is a simple matter
of personal choice.

If you believed in killing someone (which is illegal), the legality
wouldn't matter to you by your logic. Society's rules are the ones
which count, Kim.

Dave K8MN

Bert Craig wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Kim W5TIT wrote:

Whenever I used to bootleg--and I did before I was licensed, I always made
extra sure to stay out of ham radio frequencies--most hams know too much
about R&R and DFing.

Such seems in character for you, Kim.

I won't do it now but only because I don't want to
compromise my license.

So, not because it was illegal, only so you don't lose your license.

Dave K8MN

Hi Dave,

You kinda conveniently left out "Well, along with the fact that now I
realize what an idiot I was being." I believe that pretty much answers
your last query.

I don't think it does as evidenced by her reply to my comments.

We ALL make foolish errors in our youth and most of
us eventually grow up, hopefully, wiser for the wear. It's got sump'n
to do with casting the first stone or some such saying. ;-)

Kim didn't write that this was stuff she'd done in her youth. I was
never a bootlegger in my youth or in my adulthood. Were you? :-)

Dave K8MN

73 de Bert
WA2SI

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 08:28:32 -0500, "Kim W5TIT"
wrote:

Don't know, Larry. I don't pay much attention or give much credibility to
the Clintons. Why don't you tell us about it?

Don't need Larry for that, just look it up on the Internet. Some good
keywords to try include draft-dodger, womanizer, and liar.

73 DE John, KC2HMZ
Charter Member, Monica Lewinsky Fan Club
(Tonawanda, NY Chapter)

Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Bert Craig" wrote in message
om...
Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Kim W5TIT wrote:

Whenever I used to bootleg--and I did before I was licensed, I always
made
extra sure to stay out of ham radio frequencies--most hams know too
much
about R&R and DFing.

Such seems in character for you, Kim.

I won't do it now but only because I don't want to
compromise my license.

So, not because it was illegal, only so you don't lose your license.

Dave K8MN

Hi Dave,

You kinda conveniently left out "Well, along with the fact that now I
realize what an idiot I was being." I believe that pretty much answers
your last query. We ALL make foolish errors in our youth and most of
us eventually grow up, hopefully, wiser for the wear. It's got sump'n
to do with casting the first stone or some such saying. ;-)

73 de Bert
WA2SI

Thanks, Bert. I would have expected nothing else from Dave.

Maybe you should have kept mum on your bootleg radio operations, Kim.

Dave K8MN

On 22 Jul 2003 04:25:54 GMT, ospam (Larry Roll K3LT)
wrote:

If an armed robber walks into a Seven Eleven and points his gun at
Mr. Singh behind the counter, does Mr. Singh have the right to pull
*his* gun and kill the robber? Remember two things -- 1. You don't
believe in killing. 2. It is impossible to pick up a gun, point it at a
human being, and pull the trigger without the rational expectation that
you will kill the person you're aiming at. Now, please answer the Q.

1. This happens more often than many people realize. The legal
complexities of the situation are myriad and, as I understand it,
hinges largely on whether or not the intended victim (Mr. Singh) had
legitimate reason to believe that he was about to be shot no matter
what else he did.

2. There are some states in which Mr. Singh could splatter the
robber's brains all over the counter with the reasonable expectation
that a grand jury would refuse to indict him afterward. In Texas, a
guy shot a would-be carjacker to death a few years back, and the grand
jury refused to return an indictment.

Beyond those considerations, there are two differing responses to the
above situation.

The liberal response (common in New York, where I live): "Well, that
isn't enough information to properly answer the question, we need to
discuss the applicable statues where Mr. Singh's business is located,
along with about a hundred other considerations, and we'll get back to
you with an answer in about ten years.

The conservative response (common in Texas, where I believe Kim
lives): BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! (Sound
of magazine being ejected and a fresh one rammed into place, followed
by the sound of the slide racking another round into the chamber)

Mr. Singh: "Did he move or was I seeing things?"

Mr. Singh's 16-year old son: "He moved, dad, I saw him!"

Mrs. Singh: "I think our son is right."

BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!

Mr. Singh's 9-year old daughter: "Nice group, daddy!"

73 DE John, KC2HMZ

Radio Amateur KC2HMZ wrote in message . ..

The conservative response (common in Texas, where I believe Kim
lives): BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! (Sound
of magazine being ejected and a fresh one rammed into place, followed
by the sound of the slide racking another round into the chamber)

Mr. Singh: "Did he move or was I seeing things?"

Mr. Singh's 16-year old son: "He moved, dad, I saw him!"

Mrs. Singh: "I think our son is right."

BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!

Mr. Singh's 9-year old daughter: "Nice group, daddy!"

Now THAT is what I call crime abatement! (At least for the NEXT
twerp to try it!)

ROTMFFLMMFAO!

73

Steve, K4YZ

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Bert Craig wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Kim W5TIT wrote:

Whenever I used to bootleg--and I did before I was licensed, I
always made
extra sure to stay out of ham radio frequencies--most hams know too
much
about R&R and DFing.

Such seems in character for you, Kim.

I won't do it now but only because I don't want to
compromise my license.

So, not because it was illegal, only so you don't lose your license.

Dave K8MN

Hi Dave,

You kinda conveniently left out "Well, along with the fact that now I
realize what an idiot I was being." I believe that pretty much answers
your last query.

I don't think it does as evidenced by her reply to my comments.

I do.

We ALL make foolish errors in our youth and most of
us eventually grow up, hopefully, wiser for the wear. It's got sump'n
to do with casting the first stone or some such saying. ;-)

Kim didn't write that this was stuff she'd done in her youth. I was
never a bootlegger in my youth or in my adulthood. Were you? :-)

That's very commendable, Dave. When I said we ALL make "mistakes," I
certainly did not mean to limit it to just radio related violations. Yes, I
have violated FCC rules in my youth and I'm mature enough to admit my past
mistakes and grateful that I suffered no severe consequences as a result. I
personally know not a single soul who has made NO mistakes in their youth,
moral, legal, or both. If you fall in this category, then you've broken that
streak and, once again, are to be commended.

The important thing (To me, at least.) is that I AM wiser for the wear and
am in a position to help someone else avoid those mistakes entirely based
upon my experiences. BTW, one does not necessarily have to agree with a
law/rule while obeying it. For ex.

- I would never bootleg or run excessive power because it is wrong and
causes harm.

- I would never work DX on the legal 40 CB frequencies with 12 Watts P.E.P.
because it's not worth risking my ticket over. (But I think it'd be a great
recruitment tool.)

It's a good thing we really don't go blind for doing some of the "wrong"
things of our youth. With the amount of DX I worked on ch. 38 LSB on my
Royce rig in '78/79, I'd be typing this post on a Braille keyboard. Take
care now, OM. ;-)

Dave K8MN

73 de Bert
WA2SI

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73 de Bert
WA2SI

Bert Craig wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Bert Craig wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Kim W5TIT wrote:

Kim didn't write that this was stuff she'd done in her youth. I was
never a bootlegger in my youth or in my adulthood. Were you? :-)

That's very commendable, Dave. When I said we ALL make "mistakes," I
certainly did not mean to limit it to just radio related violations. Yes, I
have violated FCC rules in my youth and I'm mature enough to admit my past
mistakes and grateful that I suffered no severe consequences as a result. I
personally know not a single soul who has made NO mistakes in their youth,
moral, legal, or both. If you fall in this category, then you've broken that
streak and, once again, are to be commended.

Again, Kim did not indicate that her actions were something done in her
youth. I wrote about radio violations because that was what was under
discussion. If I wanted to generalize, I'd take it up in
rec.soc.scofflaw.


The important thing (To me, at least.) is that I AM wiser for the wear and
am in a position to help someone else avoid those mistakes entirely based
upon my experiences. BTW, one does not necessarily have to agree with a
law/rule while obeying it. For ex.

- I would never bootleg or run excessive power because it is wrong and
causes harm.

- I would never work DX on the legal 40 CB frequencies with 12 Watts P.E.P.
because it's not worth risking my ticket over. (But I think it'd be a great
recruitment tool.)

I've never put forth the idea that one should obey a law because one
agrees with it. Kim knew she was breaking the law and decided that
she'd do it anyway.

It's a good thing we really don't go blind for doing some of the "wrong"
things of our youth. With the amount of DX I worked on ch. 38 LSB on my
Royce rig in '78/79, I'd be typing this post on a Braille keyboard. Take
care now, OM. ;-)

So you knew you were breaking the law but decided it was okay? Was that
all in your youth?

Dave K8MN