"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message ...
"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
...

I suppose Larry will never consider me a fully-fledged ham, even with 20
wpm, 'cause I operate 100% phone, LOL.

Dave Heil's a much better challenge!

Kim W5TIT

I dunno. He has his weaknesses. Frenchmen on 6M SSB seem to be a
pretty good hook for Dave. But their damned accents are so hard to
fake. Good luck Alun.

Brian

In article , ospam
(Larry Roll K3LT) writes:

Hey, I know what you mean about those darned ole outdated modes
of communication. Once you get your No-Code test General or
Extra, wanna make a sked to work some Hellschreiber with me?

Larrah, you need to get your hearing checked. A long time ago,
someone did NOT say to you, "Go to Hellschreiber." They just
had name confused with another. :-)

LHA

On or about Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:33:11 -0500, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote about the following in article
:



Came within two questions of passing the Extra without cracking a book.


I passed the general and extra exams without cracking open a book either.
I have yet to take the code test.


Further proof of the dumbing down of the ARS.

Nope, a good solid understanding of electronics from books cracked open 20
years ago.


--
Alex / KC2IVL
ft100 software for Linux http://www.qsl.net/kc2ivl
"Good judgment comes from experience,
and a lot of that comes from bad judgment"

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
Kim W5TIT wrote:

"Alun Palmer" wrote in message

I suppose Larry will never consider me a fully-fledged ham, even with
20
wpm, 'cause I operate 100% phone, LOL.

Dave Heil's a much better challenge!

I don't know what's driving your sniping, Kim. I operate phone, CW,
RTTY and FM on the bands and frequencies of my choice from any of those
made available by the FCC.

You've told us that you aren't operating at all.

Dave K8MN


See what I mean?

Kim W5TIT


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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
y.com...

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
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ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in
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In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

Do you think *that* would be a good reason? I want to do
something I'm
interested in as long as I can. I mean really, do you care what
say
Larry, Dick, or Jim or even my self think? Two years is just too
long
to wait. That's the reason why I think a preson would get the
ticket
sooner.

Considering the fact that most people can pass a 5 WPM code test
right after learning basic character recognition (about two weeks'
effort if you take your time), it would be insane to wait two whole
years to get your General- or Extra-class ham ticket. However, a
lot
of wannabe hams out there will probably do just that! It's their
funeral -- they don't know what they're missing!

73 de Larry, K3LT



Oddly enough, I tend to agree. However, it may be worth waiting just
long
enough to find out what the FCC is going to do, as right now we don't
know
how long the wait will be.


To besmirch someone because they don't, or wait to, upgrade is quite
ridiculous. What if someone is happy with Tech/Tech+, General, etc.?

My husband is a General, has been for I don't know how long, a few years
anyway. I haven't seen a thing he can do that piques my interest enough
to
desire an upgrade to do them. In fact, for the past year at least, the
Yaesu 890FT has been completely disconnected (we remodeled this room and
the
radio's just never been hooked back up).

People are not missing anything by not upgrading, if the upgraded
privileges
don't provide anything more they wish.

Kim W5TIT

You repeatedly misconstrue what people are saying. None of us ridicules
or
besmirches the person who does not upgrade because they have no interest
in
the privileges of the higher class. They have achieved their personal
goals
regarding ham radio and found their niche. What we oppose is the person
that wants the privileges of the higher class but refuses to do the work
to
get them. I know some people that want to be a general but not only have
they been waiting for years for the elimination of the code test but have
refuses to even try.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Dee, I don't think I am miscontrueing a thing. It baffles me to no end that
it would actually bother someone to have another wait for their opportunity
to come along. I see nothing at all wrong with someone waiting until
testing requirements meet *their* expectations.

Kim W5TIT


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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...

Dee, I don't think I am miscontrueing a thing. It baffles me to no end
that
it would actually bother someone to have another wait for their
opportunity
to come along. I see nothing at all wrong with someone waiting until
testing requirements meet *their* expectations.

Kim W5TIT

Even if it is waiting 10 years or better??

I like to see people succeed. Those who wait do not succeed because they do
not take control over and responsibility for their own lives. It is
heartbreakingly sad to see people electing to be failures because they are
waiting for someone to give them something.

If you wait for opportunity to knock, it never will.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
...

I suppose Larry will never consider me a fully-fledged ham, even with 20
wpm, 'cause I operate 100% phone, LOL.

Dave Heil's a much better challenge!

Kim W5TIT

I dunno. He has his weaknesses. Frenchmen on 6M SSB seem to be a
pretty good hook for Dave. But their damned accents are so hard to
fake. Good luck Alun.

Big Dave is just ****ed because so few of us bow down to his "I am the
superior whatever" and refuse to capitulate. Shrug.

LHA

In article m, "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
...
ospam (Larry Roll K3LT) wrote in
:

In article , Alun Palmer
writes:

Do you think *that* would be a good reason? I want to do
something I'm
interested in as long as I can. I mean really, do you care what say
Larry, Dick, or Jim or even my self think? Two years is just too long
to wait. That's the reason why I think a preson would get the ticket
sooner.

Considering the fact that most people can pass a 5 WPM code test
right after learning basic character recognition (about two weeks'
effort if you take your time), it would be insane to wait two whole
years to get your General- or Extra-class ham ticket. However, a lot
of wannabe hams out there will probably do just that! It's their
funeral -- they don't know what they're missing!

73 de Larry, K3LT

Oddly enough, I tend to agree. However, it may be worth waiting just long
enough to find out what the FCC is going to do, as right now we don't know
how long the wait will be.

To besmirch someone because they don't, or wait to, upgrade is quite
ridiculous. What if someone is happy with Tech/Tech+, General, etc.?

My husband is a General, has been for I don't know how long, a few years
anyway. I haven't seen a thing he can do that piques my interest enough to
desire an upgrade to do them. In fact, for the past year at least, the
Yaesu 890FT has been completely disconnected (we remodeled this room and the
radio's just never been hooked back up).

People are not missing anything by not upgrading, if the upgraded privileges
don't provide anything more they wish.

Kim W5TIT

You repeatedly misconstrue what people are saying. None of us ridicules or
besmirches the person who does not upgrade because they have no interest in
the privileges of the higher class.

Well, us bourgeoises and "lower class" minded people will just have to sit
in
the back of the bus and drink from different water fountains, won't we? :-)

Did the Almighty make all the Royal-Noble Radio Regulations (hardly
different now than from the pre-WW2 era) or did ordinary humans make
those regulations then? Since when do those LAWS remain fixed,
forever engraved in unchageable stone and protected by the armor of
"tradition?" Laws were made by humans and laws can be UNMADE by
humans.

There's been a movement to change those magnificent code laws for some
time and it has ended on the international side.

I know this is a terrible shock, perhaps trauma to the "higher class" elite,
but S25.5 AS-YOU-KNOW-IT went bye-bye. Try to accept reality with some
good grace. It is difficult, I realize, but it must be done.

They have achieved their personal goals
regarding ham radio and found their niche.

In my case, I've not found any good reason to join a SERVICE of pretend-
quasi-military radio operators by having to relearn morse code.

What we oppose is the person
that wants the privileges of the higher class but refuses to do the work to
get them.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, the Elite "higher-class" talking again!

Hmmm...I got on HF legally and militarily some 50 years ago, transmitting
on HF from any one of 43 transmitters. Did that for two years without any
formal schooling in the military HF communications whatsoever. I guess
that made me "lazy" in your view, didn't it? Since ADA didn't use any
morse code through those 43 transmitters, it was "lower-class" stuff, right?

Will you agree that "radio" was used? I don't think so. From your tone,
I'd say that you think AMATEUR radio works by different principles than
commercial or government radio...therefore such military radio "isn't as
good" as ham equipment...

I know some people that want to be a general but not only have
they been waiting for years for the elimination of the code test but have
refuses to even try.

Well, you upper-class uppercrust make sure all those signs are up in
bus, the ones directing the lower-class to the uncomfortable back.

That gives you (and so many others) the ILLUSION that you are "superior"
and "more advanced" and all that self-promotional stuff. Have fun in your
imaginary nirvana. Realignment and reality are just around the corner.

LHA

Scott Unit 69" wrote in message
...
Came within two questions of passing the Extra without cracking a book.

Oh come on Scott there are some pretty arcane rules and regulation
questions in that test are you saying you were born knowing the
answers? And what's your ham callsign why are you hiding behind your
old CB handle unit 69?

Then you can't say that you didn't study. You simply used a different study
path. No one is born knowing Ohm's law, etc. There is not and never has
been any requirement to use the common study guides such as those put out by
the ARRL or W5YI. The requirement is to pass the test. If you studied the
material in a different venue that is still studying. It does not count as
"having passed the test without cracking open a book." Though knowing just
the electronics is not enough to pass the test. To get a passing grade, it's
necessary to know some of the FCC rules, some of the standard amateur
practices, antenna theory (not general taught in most electronics text
books), propagation (again not covered in most electronics text books), etc.
So one way or another, you learned that too as you're not born knowing that
either.


My brother had an electronics workshop in the basement when I was growing up.
I took electronics at a Vo-Tech in high school. I have been on CB since 1977.

All the stuff you mentioned has been covered by my life's experience.

Remember, all larger items can be broken down into simpler items. Knowing
how they all interact to create a complex system, is important. If you
don't understand the simple concepts, you can't understand the big picture.