On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:34:07 -0400, Dwight Stewart wrote to "Larry
Roll K3LT":

LOL. And I also see you're still suffering from delusions of grandeur.

Delusions of grandeur are better than no grandeur at all.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


Seriously, if they are right, the holier than thou pro-coders will
vanish into the noise level - figuratively speaking.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Dang Mike. And I thought you had some sense. So much for that.


Hold on Dan, Did you get my whole message, or just repost off what
Larry trimmed?


I wrote:

Gee Jim, there's no need for a truce, the war's over. The PCTA's
lost.

As someone said to me, the pro-coders have a responsibility to
attract enough people to survive (paraphrased)

I think the no-coders now have a responsibility to attract the
professionals and good hams that are staying out of the service now,
so that they improve the ARS.

Seriously, if they are right, the holier than thou pro-coders will
vanish into the noise level - figuratively speaking.

I was being sarcastic. I guess sarcasm doesn't do well in printed form.

Someone here (Bill Sohl I think) was telling me that Pro-coders now had
the responsibility of recruiting more users of the mode, lest we lose
our bandwidth.

I was turning that statement around to the no-coders, many of who note
all the qualified EE's who are going to swell the ranks after the code
test is gone. I consider that these new hams and those who paved the way
for them to be responsible for what happens after this.

And I was also just repeating Jim's "holier than thou" statement in the
sarcasm.

Hopefully that clears things up.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , "Dan/W4NTI"
writes:

Larry,

If the BPL raises the noise level enough, it will be the folks running
PSK-31 who will get through with signals below the noise level. No
offense,
CW does do a remarkable job, but some of the digital modes will transmit
faster through higher noise levels than CW will (and I did turn in a
perfect
paper in 1967 at 40 words per minute).


Jim:

I sure hope you're right about what you say about PSK31. However, I have
been using that mode since shortly after it was available to hams, and have
not noticed any particular ruggedness when dealing with QRM. In fact,
just about anything will cause a "hit" when copying a PSK31 signal. And
while this generally does not render the whole QSO useless, it doesn't
offer any more copying accuracy than CW under adverse conditions, IMHO.
Personally, I think plain ole FEC AMTOR is a lot better, but the only way
I've ever had a QSO in that mode is to ask someone working RTTY to
switch over and give it a try.

73 de Larry, K3LT

"Phil Kane" wrote:

Delusions of grandeur are better than no
grandeur at all.


That does appear to be the case for some.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


And I was also just repeating Jim's "holier than thou" statement in the


sarcasm.


How dare you? He IS holier than thou! Now He gonna Get You!

Most everyone is! 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


Seriously, if they are right, the holier than thou pro-coders will
vanish into the noise level - figuratively speaking.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Dang Mike. And I thought you had some sense. So much for that.


Hold on Dan, Did you get my whole message, or just repost off what
Larry trimmed?


I wrote:

Gee Jim, there's no need for a truce, the war's over. The PCTA's
lost.

As someone said to me, the pro-coders have a responsibility to
attract enough people to survive (paraphrased)

I think the no-coders now have a responsibility to attract the
professionals and good hams that are staying out of the service now,
so that they improve the ARS.

Seriously, if they are right, the holier than thou pro-coders will
vanish into the noise level - figuratively speaking.

I was being sarcastic. I guess sarcasm doesn't do well in printed form.

Someone here (Bill Sohl I think) was telling me that Pro-coders now had
the responsibility of recruiting more users of the mode, lest we lose
our bandwidth.

I was turning that statement around to the no-coders, many of who note
all the qualified EE's who are going to swell the ranks after the code
test is gone. I consider that these new hams and those who paved the way
for them to be responsible for what happens after this.

And I was also just repeating Jim's "holier than thou" statement in the
sarcasm.

Hopefully that clears things up.

- Mike KB3EIA -


I apologize. Now it makes sense.

Dan/W4NTI

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
...


When I got into this Amateur Radio was so respected that it actually
opened
doors for you. Not anymore. Thanks for helping dumb it down.


Hey, you're the one thinking that it's OK to promote CW as a way to cipher
information over the ham bands...


Change your pills. I never said such a thing.




Your not going to belittle those that went before you. We don't have a
damn
thing to prove to you or those of your ilk.


With that kind of attitude, you have proven quite a bit to me, Dan. And,
it's not positive, by the way.


We know, we have been there and got the tee shirt. Now pick up your
jaw
and commence to run off at the mouth little girl.

Dan/W4NTI


Yep, you're an asshole, alright.

Your right, and Im willing to admit it. How about you?

Dan/W4NTI


Kim W5TIT


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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message

Hopefully that clears things up.

- Mike KB3EIA -



I apologize. Now it makes sense.


No problem, Dan. It might have been a good thing you pointed that out
so that no one gets the wrong idea!

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , "Dan/W4NTI"
writes:

Disregarding USAF jargon such as "3 level," I'd say they should have.
US Army did it for the old Field Radio MOS at the time...and few
formerly-civilian morsemen could cut the Army requirements. :-)

Well Len what I didn't mention, due to it not being relevant to the
discussion that I also have 8 years Army time, from 71 to 79.

Whoop de do. By that time, the US Army was phasing OUT morse
code for tactical field communications...it already did NOT have
any need for morse methods in long-haul strategic communications.

Upon enlistment (in 1971) I was given the MOS of O5C20, and a rank of PFC.
After basic I received my Army specialty of O5C40/CW qualified. All based
on my AF speciality.

What's an "O5C20?" Or "O5C40?" The US Army changed MOS
designations after I got out in 1960 and again before present day.

I received Sgt E5 as soon as I made TIG while in Germany in 72 or 73. Still
having attended NO MILITARY SCHOOLS in the speciality.

Yeah, so?

As to your comment of not being able to meet the Army requirements.
FYI...while deployed to Don Muong Air Base in 1966 I was given a TDY
assignment. It was to downtown Bangkok to work with the Army Morse
Intercept group. They needed a immediate and temporary fill in. I
qualified....again due to my AMATEUR RADIO LICENSE.

Ooooo! All due to your AMATEUR RADIO LICENSE!

Of course they did. How could they fail to overlook the wonderful
skill and dedication of hard-working morsemen?

Did you make DXCC from Bangkok? WAC?

Can you copy Thai at 20 WPM?

LHA

In article , "Phil Kane"
writes:

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 02:34:07 -0400, Dwight Stewart wrote to "Larry
Roll K3LT":

LOL. And I also see you're still suffering from delusions of grandeur.

Delusions of grandeur are better than no grandeur at all.

But they are still DELUSIONS...ego freaking out. shrug

LHA