"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
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In article , Mike Coslo wrote:

This cannot be, for no one wants to take anything away from Morse code
users.

Why not, 8 years ago, the Arrl did a survey. They asked amateurs who had
passed a morse code exam if they EVER used morse code. Two out of three
responded "no". I.e. 2/3's of the hams surveyed NEVER used morse code.

Of course in those days they spun it as "1 out 3 sometimes uses morse
code".

So if it came to a vote you'd have a hard time keeping things as they are.

Geoff.

The ARRL had a new survey in the last 6 months. Half of the respondants use
morse any where from occasionally to 100% of the time. Morse code usage
appears to be on the rise. In the past year, participation in the ARRL
Morse contests showed an increase of 20% over the previous year.
Participation in the voice contests was practically the same as last year
with virtually no growth.

So that 8 year old survey does not reflect today's situation.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article ,
(Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes:

In article ilgate.org,
K0HB wrote:

Except in the USA, most amateurs do not labor under "sub-bands" based on
mode. As an example Canadian amateur have no such restrictions. It's a
source of continuing wonder to me that the FCC continues to arbitrarily
slice and dice the bands based on mode, license class, power levels, and
similar artificial constructs of their imagination.

Not only that but the stupid allocation of the 7.00-7.100 as a CW
only band makes 40 meters almost unusable outside of the U.S.

Sounds like anti-American arrogance.....

There are no CW-only American subbands below 50 MHz. They're all shared with
'phone and image modes.

That's
our entire 40 meter band,

Because YOUR GOVERNMENTS (R1 and R3) want it that way. Been that way since
before WW2.

and so we can't work the states without spilt
operation, which doesn't often work because we are swamped with European
brodcasters.

So get your governments to get them to move.

We can't work locally, because by convention, we use ssb in the upper
half and get destroyed by all those digital signals that come from the
U.S. and clobber us.

If you think digital is bad, what do you think would happen with SSB?

IMHO the best thing to do is open 7.050-7.100 for ssb in the U.S. and move
the digital stuff to the old novice band.

Uh huh. Then it will be SSB and AM from the USA clobbering you instead of
digital. Guess which group tends to run more power? The US power limit is 1500
W peak output.

One of the main reasons the US has limited 'phone bands is to give those
outside the US a place to work without being clobbered by high powered US
'phones.

R1 and R3 are supposed to get 7100-7200 over the next few years, and the SWBC
move out.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article ,
(Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo wrote:

This cannot be, for no one wants to take anything away from Morse code
users.

Why not, 8 years ago, the Arrl did a survey.

That's pretty close - 1996

They asked amateurs who had
passed a morse code exam if they EVER used morse code.

No, you are mistaken. On several counts.

They asked 1100 US hams, chosen at random. Of these, 100 were Novices and 200
each Techs, Tech Pluses, Generals, Advanceds and Extras. So they asked hams who
had not taken a code test as well as hams who had.

The question was "How much do you operate Morse code?" and there were only
three possible answers: "Regularly", "Rarely" and "Never". No definitions of
what those terms mean, no questions on other modes, etc. (After all, a ham who
is not on the air at all never uses Morse code on the air).

Two out of three
responded "no". I.e. 2/3's of the hams surveyed NEVER used morse code.

Wrong again!

35% answered "Never"
37% answered "Rarely"
27% answered "Regularly"
1% did not answer.

It is obvious that the question is so flawed as to be meaningless. For example,
how much Morse operation is "regular"?

Note that the question doesn't specify HF operation, or ask if the ham is
active at all, if he/she is equipped for HF operation, etc. etc.

Of course in those days they spun it as "1 out 3 sometimes uses morse code".

Wrong again!

64% (37+27) sometimes use Morse code, according to that survey. That's a fact,
not spin.

So if it came to a vote you'd have a hard time keeping things as they are.

Maybe.

Try this "survey": Actually listen to the CW/digital subbands and see how much
activity there really is. Try 40 meters below 7050 some evening.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote


35% answered "Never"
37% answered "Rarely"
27% answered "Regularly"
1% did not answer.



64% (37+27) sometimes use Morse code, according to that survey. That's a fact,
not spin.



Facts (and spin) are in the eye of the beholder, Jim. Your "64%
sometimes use Morse code" is trumped by the fellow who uses the same
numbers to factually state that "72% (35+37) of the hams surveyed rarely
or never use Morse code".

73, de Hans, K0HB

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"N2EY" wrote in message
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In article ,
(Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo wrote:

This cannot be, for no one wants to take anything away from Morse code
users.

Why not, 8 years ago, the Arrl did a survey.

That's pretty close - 1996

They asked amateurs who had
passed a morse code exam if they EVER used morse code.

No, you are mistaken. On several counts.

They asked 1100 US hams, chosen at random. Of these, 100 were Novices and
200
each Techs, Tech Pluses, Generals, Advanceds and Extras. So they asked
hams who
had not taken a code test as well as hams who had.

The question was "How much do you operate Morse code?" and there were only
three possible answers: "Regularly", "Rarely" and "Never". No definitions
of
what those terms mean, no questions on other modes, etc. (After all, a ham
who
is not on the air at all never uses Morse code on the air).

Two out of three
responded "no". I.e. 2/3's of the hams surveyed NEVER used morse code.

Wrong again!

35% answered "Never"
37% answered "Rarely"
27% answered "Regularly"
1% did not answer.

It is obvious that the question is so flawed as to be meaningless. For
example,
how much Morse operation is "regular"?

Note that the question doesn't specify HF operation, or ask if the ham is
active at all, if he/she is equipped for HF operation, etc. etc.

Of course in those days they spun it as "1 out 3 sometimes uses morse
code".

Wrong again!

64% (37+27) sometimes use Morse code, according to that survey. That's a
fact,
not spin.

So if it came to a vote you'd have a hard time keeping things as they
are.

Maybe.

Try this "survey": Actually listen to the CW/digital subbands and see how
much
activity there really is. Try 40 meters below 7050 some evening.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Yep for a 'so called dead mode' (cw) there sure seems to be a LOT of
activity in the real world.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes:

In article , Mike Coslo wrote:

This cannot be, for no one wants to take anything away from Morse
code
users.

Why not, 8 years ago, the Arrl did a survey.

That's pretty close - 1996

They asked amateurs who had
passed a morse code exam if they EVER used morse code.

No, you are mistaken. On several counts.

They asked 1100 US hams, chosen at random. Of these, 100 were Novices
and
200
each Techs, Tech Pluses, Generals, Advanceds and Extras. So they asked
hams who
had not taken a code test as well as hams who had.

The question was "How much do you operate Morse code?" and there were
only
three possible answers: "Regularly", "Rarely" and "Never". No
definitions
of
what those terms mean, no questions on other modes, etc. (After all, a
ham
who
is not on the air at all never uses Morse code on the air).

Two out of three
responded "no". I.e. 2/3's of the hams surveyed NEVER used morse code.

Wrong again!

35% answered "Never"
37% answered "Rarely"
27% answered "Regularly"
1% did not answer.

It is obvious that the question is so flawed as to be meaningless. For
example,
how much Morse operation is "regular"?

Note that the question doesn't specify HF operation, or ask if the ham
is
active at all, if he/she is equipped for HF operation, etc. etc.

Of course in those days they spun it as "1 out 3 sometimes uses morse
code".

Wrong again!

64% (37+27) sometimes use Morse code, according to that survey. That's a
fact,
not spin.

So if it came to a vote you'd have a hard time keeping things as they
are.

Maybe.

Try this "survey": Actually listen to the CW/digital subbands and see
how
much
activity there really is. Try 40 meters below 7050 some evening.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Yep for a 'so called dead mode' (cw) there sure seems to be a LOT of
activity in the real world.

Dan/W4NTI



What makes you think CW is a dead mode?

Kim W5TIT


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"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
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In article , "Joe Collins"
writes:

Now that Bruce Parens and NCI have won the CW wars, what will happen
to the exclusive CW allocations if a CW requirement is dropped?
Certainly there can be no argument for keeping the current band
structure in place, and phone operations probably ought to be spread
out into what was once exclusively reserved for CW operators. Not
only would this alleviate the congestion in the phone bands, but it
would finally and officially place CW into perspective: Just another
optional mode of operation without any exclusive rights to any
frequency.

Well, folks, there it is -- as I've been saying for years, it's all about
getting a microphone in hand and yakking away!

73 de Larry, K3LT


What's the difference between yakking using a microphone, or yakking using a
CW key or paddle?

Kim W5TIT


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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
y.com...

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
...

In article , Mike Coslo wrote:


This cannot be, for no one wants to take anything away from Morse code
users.

Why not, 8 years ago, the Arrl did a survey. They asked amateurs who had
passed a morse code exam if they EVER used morse code. Two out of three
responded "no". I.e. 2/3's of the hams surveyed NEVER used morse code.

Of course in those days they spun it as "1 out 3 sometimes uses morse

code".

So if it came to a vote you'd have a hard time keeping things as they

are.

Geoff.

The ARRL had a new survey in the last 6 months. Half of the respondants

use

morse any where from occasionally to 100% of the time. Morse code usage
appears to be on the rise. In the past year, participation in the ARRL
Morse contests showed an increase of 20% over the previous year.
Participation in the voice contests was practically the same as last year
with virtually no growth.

So that 8 year old survey does not reflect today's situation.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



Forget it Dee. You cant convince the no coder. They believe their own
propaganda.

What I would like to know is where are our NCI buddies? Aren't they
against this sort of thing? Where is Carl jumping to our defense? Bill
Sohl? Where have ya gone, Joe DiMaggio?

Oh no! And "Skylab is falling" cried Chicken Little....


"Joe Collins" wrote in message
...
Now that Bruce Parens and NCI have won the CW wars, what will happen
to the exclusive CW allocations if a CW requirement is dropped?
Certainly there can be no argument for keeping the current band
structure in place, and phone operations probably ought to be spread
out into what was once exclusively reserved for CW operators. Not
only would this alleviate the congestion in the phone bands, but it
would finally and officially place CW into perspective: Just another
optional mode of operation without any exclusive rights to any
frequency.

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

Well, folks, there it is -- as I've been saying for years, it's all about
getting a microphone in hand and yakking away!

73 de Larry, K3LT


What's the difference between yakking using a microphone, or yakking using a
CW key or paddle?

Kim W5TIT

Kim:

Don't look now, but yakking into a microphone is something that anyone
can do without learning any new communications skills. Use of Morse/CW
requires the acquisition of a new, very useful comm skill (Morse code) and
the patience and initiative to develop this skill adequately to become an
efficient, effective CW operator. The content of the "yakking" may be the
same, but the difference is that the CW operator is yakking in a totally
different way, using a skill and mode which offers benefits and advantages
not found in voice modes.

Since you have no practical on-the-air experience using CW, I don't
expect you to appreciate this, and consider you to be unqualified to
render an opinion on the subject.

73 de Larry, K3LT