Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
I was on HF and communicating
before any of the regulars in here and I didn't have to use any
morse code at all.

Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

He's so fulla **** the whites of his eyes gotta be brown.

Incorrect. They are blue.

That has to be an interesting look you've got there, Leonard. What
color are the pupils?

I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket.

Then you were BOOTLEGGING, old man. ILLEGAL. Tsk, tsk.

I think we may see another gap in your knowledge looming.

The only "HF experience" he had in that timeframe was
as a grunt U.S. Army apprentice RTTY equipment mechanic & babysitter
1952-53.

Incorrect AGAIN!

Microwave Radio Relay Operation and Maintenance Supervisor, (then)
MOS 281.6. Temporarily doing Fixed Station Transmitters operation
and maintenance (supervisor) 1953 to 1956 at US Army radio station
ADA in Tokyo, Japan. 43 transmitters on HF ranging from 1 KW
(BC-339) to 40 KW (AN/FRC-22)...working to Seoul, Pusan,
Okinawa, Manila, Saigon, Anchorage, Seattle, Hawaii, San Francisco
on a 24/7 schedule. Not a single circuit used any morse code.

I know you just forgot to mention, "Fifty years ago..."

In 1952 I was in Basic Training and at the Signal School in Fort
Monmouth, NJ.

....and a year later you were an expert.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
I was on HF and communicating
before any of the regulars in here and I didn't have to use any
morse code at all.

Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

He's so fulla **** the whites of his eyes gotta be brown.

Incorrect. They are blue.

That has to be an interesting look you've got there, Leonard. What
color are the pupils?

He's been swallowing his blue Listerine. Prolly by the gallon. He
hasn't read the label yet.


I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket.

Then you were BOOTLEGGING, old man. ILLEGAL. Tsk, tsk.

I think we may see another gap in your knowledge looming.

Dontcha love it? The average nocoode can see it a mile away. But not
our Putz, yes sir, he knows *everything*.

The only "HF experience" he had in that timeframe was
as a grunt U.S. Army apprentice RTTY equipment mechanic & babysitter
1952-53.

Incorrect AGAIN!

Microwave Radio Relay Operation and Maintenance Supervisor, (then)
MOS 281.6. Temporarily doing Fixed Station Transmitters operation
and maintenance (supervisor) 1953 to 1956 at US Army radio station
ADA in Tokyo, Japan. 43 transmitters on HF ranging from 1 KW
(BC-339) to 40 KW (AN/FRC-22)...working to Seoul, Pusan,
Okinawa, Manila, Saigon, Anchorage, Seattle, Hawaii, San Francisco
on a 24/7 schedule. Not a single circuit used any morse code.

I know you just forgot to mention, "Fifty years ago..."

In 1952 I was in Basic Training and at the Signal School in Fort
Monmouth, NJ.

...and a year later you were an expert.

Zzzzzzz . . .


Dave K8MN

w3rv

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

(WA8ULX) wrote in message
...
I was on HF and communicating
before any of the regulars in here and I didn't have to use any
morse code at all.

Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

He's so fulla **** the whites of his eyes gotta be brown.

Incorrect. They are blue.

That has to be an interesting look you've got there, Leonard. What
color are the pupils?

Why do you ask about my former class? Those pupils were
representative of nearly all races.

I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket.

Then you were BOOTLEGGING, old man. ILLEGAL. Tsk, tsk.

I think we may see another gap in your knowledge looming.

All indications are that Kellie was BOOTLEGGING despite claims
(which will surface) that there was a "control operator" there. No
way to ascertain if that control operator was there...except by
his word.

Since you cannot accept anyone's word (if their opinion on a subject
is different than yours), you cannot corroborate anything Kellie said
or did 52 years ago. You are overextending your self-professed task
of being the newsgroup kop in here.

The only "HF experience" he had in that timeframe was
as a grunt U.S. Army apprentice RTTY equipment mechanic & babysitter
1952-53.

Incorrect AGAIN!

Microwave Radio Relay Operation and Maintenance Supervisor, (then)
MOS 281.6. Temporarily doing Fixed Station Transmitters operation
and maintenance (supervisor) 1953 to 1956 at US Army radio station
ADA in Tokyo, Japan. 43 transmitters on HF ranging from 1 KW
(BC-339) to 40 KW (AN/FRC-22)...working to Seoul, Pusan,
Okinawa, Manila, Saigon, Anchorage, Seattle, Hawaii, San Francisco
on a 24/7 schedule. Not a single circuit used any morse code.

I know you just forgot to mention, "Fifty years ago..."

In 1952 I was in Basic Training and at the Signal School in Fort
Monmouth, NJ.

...and a year later you were an expert.

INCORRECT. I've never stated I was "expert" in HF communications.

A half century ago the US Army did NOT use morse code for long-
haul HF communications. I am a direct witness to that. So is
N2JTV. THAT was my point which you will never ever concede due
to your peculiar need to be some sort of radio guru and traffic kop.

After three years at Army station ADA and its 43 HF transmitters,
doing both operations and maintenance, I can claim some
experience in HF radio long ago.

"It ain't braggin' if ya done it." I did it.

LHA

Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

If ten meters was not open during the day for the past couple
days, you probably weren't checking it.

11 meters was kicking!. I didn't partake in any skip, though.

"Scott Unit 69" wrote in message
...
Im sure your right, CB or 11 Meters is considered HF.

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In article , "Dick Carroll;"
writes:

Brian Kelly wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote

I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket.

Then you were BOOTLEGGING, old man. ILLEGAL. Tsk, tsk.

Of course Putzie would have to have some real information on ham radio to
know how that works, wouldn't he?

US amateur radio is one of the most publicized of electronics-related
hobbies...almost as much as radio-controlled models (there are about
170 thousand members of the Academy of Model Aeronautics and
there are about 170 thousand members of ARRL).

If you ever scan the HAM RADIO Magazine CD ($150 for a 3-disk set
of all 22 years of publication), you can see my articles in there. If the
CDs also include the masthead page you will also find me there for
two years.

And the liklihood that *HE* has done a large bit of bootlegging is more
than obvious given his longtime
'interest' in ham radio and the fact that he has never held a license, no?

I've never done any bootlegging in any radio service, old man. I've held
a commercial license since 1956 and had three years of REAL radio
communications for three years prior to that. You were not able to do
that before age 25. Probably too lazy on your part, ey?

You can't do anything more than throw **** (excuse me, "dung" or
"feces") at others in here...another fine example of the prime of
US amateur radio...and a former VE.

LHA

In article , "Dick Carroll;"
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , "Dick Carroll;"

writes:

Brian Kelly wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote

I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket.

Then you were BOOTLEGGING, old man. ILLEGAL. Tsk, tsk.

Of course Putzie would have to have some real information on ham radio to
know how that works, wouldn't he?

US amateur radio is one of the most publicized of electronics-related
hobbies..

So you've read about ham radio and now you're an expert on it, you got it
all mastered. Yep, that's about your speed, all right. Again and as usual,
no surprises here.

I've never claimed to be an "expert" on amateur radio or any part
of radio. I've enjoyed a reasonably well-paying career in radio-
electronics engineering, something influenced by doing three
years of large-scale military communications before 1956.

So how was it you're still so uninformed that you never heard of an
unlicensed
(or underlicensed) operator working a ham radio station under the supervision
of a control operator who has the appropriate license? Hmmmm?
So your reading didn't really teach you all that much about ham radio?
Whatta surprise!

Kellie was describing what he did 52 years ago at age 14,
BEFORE HE WAS LICENSED.

Kellie previously claimed "26 patents" as a mighty inventor and a
search of patent records showed only ONE.

Kellie previously stated a number of old radio "facts" which were
proven false by others in here. [see "28 V jeeps" as one]

Kellie gets his "Irish" up every now and then and does a great deal
of BS scribbling.

Now YOU PROVE - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that Kellie was
telling the ABSOLUTE TRUTH back then.


If you ever scan the HAM RADIO Magazine CD ($150 for a 3-disk set
of all 22 years of publication), you can see my articles in there.

Don't bother with the CD nonsense, I was a charter 1968 subscriber, and I
still
have all the magazines save a few that were loaned out and didn't make it
home.
It sure is funny that I never noticed your byline, nor even any mention of
you
or your name in any of them.

I can't help your obvious reading DISABILITY, old man. My bylines are
still there and my mailing address is still the same. You WILL find my
name on HR's masthead, too.

There's a website with a complete listing of HAM RADIO Magazine
articles...taken from HR's annual listings, probably. I don't have the
bookmark but you can find it through a search.

Of course I could get them out and do a manual
search just to see how much of a liar you really are, but naw, you're a
phoney
from the get-go and that'd be a waste of my time.

I wouldn't want your fantasy shattered. Keep believing your own lies.
You will find peace, happiness, and serentity in Nirvana of fantasy.

Whatever (if anything)
you may have contributed was too inconsequential to be of note.

How would you know? :-)

You never understood Shannon's Law according to your exchanges
with Cecil Moore in here.

It took you a year to understand how to operate an outboard DSP
audio filter by your own public statements...and then you got rid of
it.

I doubt you have bothered to understand basic principles of radio and
electronics beyond Ohm's Law!

Hey, That's the way things work in the publishing world.

Again HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?

Have YOU ever sold any work to a publisher?

I've sold work to five publishers of electronics interest, all of it without
once meeting the editors face to face. The work sold itself.

It was a FUN thing to do as a sideline, never intended to be of
"heavyweight" calibre.

The heavyweights are
well remembered while the featherweights just float away, off into well
deserved oblivion.....

DICK, you've been forgotten before you were known...


I've never done any bootlegging in any radio service, old man.

So you now say, but you've said numerous things here that have shown
to be inaccurate at best, downright lies at worst. Maybe your NCI buddies
will believe you.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...another RAGE sufferer.

Feel free to spend weeks in the FCC Reading room, looking for all
those "bootlegging violations." You won't find any. I've never
bootlegged in radio or anything else under the ATF. :-)

I once had two pair of boots. Wore them on my feet, not the legs.


I've held
a commercial license since 1956 and had three years of REAL radio
communications for three years prior to that.

A tisket, a tasket, you lost your yellow basket! So you babysat the fuse
panel
at some obscure transmitter site outside Hiroshima or some such. How
impressive!
Maybe it was the leftovers from Fat Boy that got to you.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. YOUR problem might be radiation effects from your own
RF...or too much monotonic beeping.

Army radio station ADA was hardly "obscure." It was in and near Tokyo
in central Honshu, rather farther up north from Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

Radiating ~150 KW RF (old site) to ~250 KW RF (new site), all on HF,
it was most certainly "noticed" by anyone within several miles. :-)

43 transmitters with RF output ranging from 1 to 40 KW takes up
about 200 feet of interior space if arranged in two lines. The antenna
field required a 1 x 2 mile former airfield to hold them all.

I realize that isn't near as impressive as a Yaecomwood ham shack
in Missouri. :-)


You were not able to do
that before age 25. Probably too lazy on your part, ey?

The lazy occured on your shift when you forgot to learn how to count.
I took my discharge from the Army at age 23 after five years service, and had
the
First phone the last three years of that time. Maybe your mailorder
pschyo'ed bride will loan you a digital calculator?

You got a "discharge" after 5 years? Interesting. Weren't the terms
of service EIGHT years back then, old timer?

It's not nice to insult my wife...who is NOT "mailorder" and NOT under
any psychosis, nor did she ever get her degrees from any
"correspondence school."


Lessee, just what was it *you're* good at now, besides slinging dung
at licensed hams?

I'm not involved in any dung, DICK.

Your federal merit badge is NOT an automatic exemption to allow
yourself being an asshole.


Babysitting circuitbreakers at a transmitter site
in the backwoods on some Oriental island 50 years ago?

Tsk, tsk, tsk. If you are so emotionally braindead that you think
operation and maintenance of 43 HF transmitters, 16 VHF-UHF
radio relay sets, and 9 24-channel microwave radio relay sets is
just "babysitting circuitbreakers" then your own ham shack can
be described as a crystal set good for listening to AM BC from as
far away as 20 miles. :-)

Claiming authorship/editor**** of a ham radio magazine many years ago, altho
you
never were licensed, when no one WITH a ham radio license ever heard of you?

N2JTV not only "heard of me," he served with me in the same time,
same job, on another team (we had four). Gene and I have since
talked long distance and exchanged mail. He lives in Long Island, NY,
but his radio activity is mostly with radio-controlled model aircraft.

As to "claims," it ain't braggin if ya done it. I did it.


I dunno, Len, I terminated my career nearly ten years ago with an attractive
retirement. Since then I've done whatever I felt like doing, in radio and
outside
it. I don't need some 50 year old crutch to prop me up, again within ham radio
or
outside it. Clearly your needs hang out there on your sleeve for all to see.
Whatta shame.

Actually 55-year-old statement of fact. The US Army and US Air Force
GAVE UP on morse code modes for HF primary communications way
back in 1948. I was lucky to be assigned to work in one such station
five years later.

And once again-- I **KNOW** I've done more real radio work, work on
heavy hardware -radio transmitting- iron than you ever dreamed of, and
I don't mean just in ham radio, either, though I've done my share of that,
too.

OF COURSE YOU DID. You KNOW things that other folks DON'T.

Wow! Heavyweight FANTASY material, old timer.

Yes, we all KNOW that Missouri is a Mecca of "heavy hardware
radio transmitting iron." Yup, you've told us. :-) :-) :-)

Live with it.

You live with your FANTASY, I'll live with my REALITY.

OBTW, I was in your backyard again last week. I visited Yaesu USA Center at
the
Vertex Standard building in Cypress, and we toured around the
region a bit just looking things over.
Can't say I envy you living there.The place leaves a bad taste in one's
mouth.
Literally. You don't know what clean air is.

Cypress is NOT even close to being in "my backyard." :-)

California became the most populated state in the USA many years
ago. Many, many, many folks moved here because THEY liked it.

Tsk, tsk, why isn't Yaesu USA located in Missouri? :-)

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , "Dick Carroll;"
writes:



(Len Over 21) wrote

I for one
was on the HF ham bands in 1951 *with CW* from W3CGS before I got my
Novice ticket.

Then you were BOOTLEGGING, old man. ILLEGAL. Tsk, tsk.

So how was it you're still so uninformed that you never heard of an
unlicensed
(or underlicensed) operator working a ham radio station under the supervision
of a control operator who has the appropriate license? Hmmmm?
So your reading didn't really teach you all that much about ham radio?
Whatta surprise!

Kellie was describing what he did 52 years ago at age 14,
BEFORE HE WAS LICENSED.

Ayup, and it was 100% legal. As you've belatedly become well aware ya
PUTZ. But ya stuck yer hoof in yer mouth once again thru gross
ignorance and boxed yerself in with no way out so the rants go on.


Now YOU PROVE - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that Kellie was
telling the ABSOLUTE TRUTH back then.

As soon as YOU PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that you ever set foot
in Japan. I've had my doubts all along . . .


43 transmitters with RF output ranging from 1 to 40 KW takes up
about 200 feet of interior space if arranged in two lines. The antenna
field required a 1 x 2 mile former airfield to hold them all.

I saw the list of "countries" you *allegedly* "worked" with all those
kilowatts and rhombics. Not exactly a sterling performance. I mean
holy cow in that same timeframe I worked every continent on the globe
several times over with my 0.05 Kw ARC-5 TX into a wire strung from my
bedroom window to a tree down the yard. I dunno what yer problem
was/is but if I were you I wouldn't spend much time bragging about my
HF operating exploits, they're notably lame.

And OhYez, I have written proof that I did what I claim I did with
that ARC-5 and the wire.


LHA

w3rv

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

I've never claimed to be an "expert" on amateur radio or any part
of radio.

Holy-freakin'smokes. Hope Mrs. Lennie wasn't anywhere near THAT
nose, Putznocchio!

I've enjoyed a reasonably well-paying career in radio-
electronics engineering, something influenced by doing three
years of large-scale military communications before 1956.

Amassing war stories of battles he didn't fight in, it seems.

Lucky for you you were better at investing your money than you
were in electronics, huh, Lennie?

I can't help your obvious reading DISABILITY, old man. My bylines are
still there and my mailing address is still the same. You WILL find my
name on HR's masthead, too.

Yes...Your by-lines are there as is your name on some mastheads.

What's NOT there is any evidence that the work was yours, nor is
there any evidence of participation IN Amateur Radio, third-party
operator or otherwise.

And even MORE glaring is a lack of evidence that "your" work ever
influenced or complimented a single Amateur Radio related project or
program.

Not a one.

There's a website with a complete listing of HAM RADIO Magazine
articles...taken from HR's annual listings, probably. I don't have the
bookmark but you can find it through a search.

Of course I could get them out and do a manual
search just to see how much of a liar you really are, but naw, you're a
phoney
from the get-go and that'd be a waste of my time.

I wouldn't want your fantasy shattered. Keep believing your own lies.
You will find peace, happiness, and serentity in Nirvana of fantasy.

As YOU already have, it would seem, Lennie. You repeat them so
often, it MUST keep that "warm fuzzy" just that...

Whatever (if anything)
you may have contributed was too inconsequential to be of note.

How would you know?

The LACK of evidence is glaring, Sir Putzalot...Not a single
noteworthy item in ANY Amateur Radio related field save for your few
items in a now defunct magazine, and none of THAT verifyable as your
own work.

Hey, That's the way things work in the publishing world.

Again HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?

Have YOU ever sold any work to a publisher?

And if he HASN'T, Lennie?

I've sold work to five publishers of electronics interest, all of it without
once meeting the editors face to face. The work sold itself.

And I am sure the folks who did the real work appreciated you
doing that to see if it fell flat or not.

It was a FUN thing to do as a sideline, never intended to be of
"heavyweight" calibre.

Whew! Glad to hear that! That way you weren't disappointed!

And judging by the electronic world's complete ignorance of
Leonard H. Anderson, I'd say THAT speaks for the work too.

Feel free to spend weeks in the FCC Reading room, looking for all
those "bootlegging violations." You won't find any. I've never
bootlegged in radio or anything else under the ATF.

That simply means you didn't get caught. It's not evidence of
having not done it.

Army radio station ADA was hardly "obscure." It was in and near Tokyo
in central Honshu, rather farther up north from Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

Holy freakin smokes again ! ! !...Yet another diatribe on his
Army "career" of sixty years ago....

Rest snipped...Been there...read that...

It's not nice to insult my wife...who is NOT "mailorder" and NOT under
any psychosis, nor did she ever get her degrees from any
"correspondence school."

Glad to hear that...Rumor was that Sally Struthers was getting
ready to sue you for defaming correspondence schools.

N2JTV not only "heard of me," he served with me in the same time,
same job, on another team (we had four). Gene and I have since
talked long distance and exchanged mail. He lives in Long Island, NY,
but his radio activity is mostly with radio-controlled model aircraft.

As to "claims," it ain't braggin if ya done it. I did it.

Not as a licensed Amateur Radio operator you didn't.

OF COURSE YOU DID. You KNOW things that other folks DON'T.

Wow! Heavyweight FANTASY material, old timer.

Whew, Lennie...Ya better duck before that one has a chance to
swing around the pole and come back and belt ya one...

Yes, we all KNOW that Missouri is a Mecca of "heavy hardware
radio transmitting iron." Yup, you've told us. :-) :-) :-)

Live with it.
OBTW, I was in your backyard again last week. I visited Yaesu USA Center at
the
Vertex Standard building in Cypress, and we toured around the
region a bit just looking things over.
Can't say I envy you living there.The place leaves a bad taste in one's
mouth.
Literally. You don't know what clean air is.

Cypress is NOT even close to being in "my backyard."

Sure it is. Close enough to be there in 20 minutes...smog and
White Bronco pursuits notwithstanding.

California became the most populated state in the USA many years
ago. Many, many, many folks moved here because THEY liked it.

And now it's one of the most highly taxed, crime ridden places in
the United States.

Dunno about you, but I am impressed.

Best part of Californication I ever saw was in the rear view
mirror.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , "Dick Carroll;"
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , "Dick Carroll;"

writes:

"Steve Robeson, K4CAP" wrote:

California became the most populated state in the USA many years
ago. Many, many, many folks moved here because THEY liked it.

And now it's one of the most highly taxed, crime ridden places in
the United States.

They face a $35BILLION budget shortfall for *this year* and they're not
finished counting yet. All those
"feel good" deals, and Putzie's vaunted emergency services bills coming
due.
Wonder what will be left when
it all settles out?
Quick and dirty math, that's at least $1000 for each citizen,
man-woman-child
residing there. One has to wonder when the big exodus will begin. So
they're
about to fire their Governor,
not that he could have done much to avoid it all.

And what will his replacement do to fix it?

From all I've read and heard, the reason for all these California crises
(remember the electric energy emrgency?) comes from a fundamental failure
of
the system and the voters there to connect rights with responsibilities.
IOW,
services are not connected to taxes.

They vote in all sorts of mandates but not the taxes to fund them.

And wouild you like to guess who's voting all that into being?

The voters

Hint: It's not the conservatives!

Seems like Liberalism is about to devout itself in the Sunshine State.

Actually, it's both. The "liberals" vote in the mandates. The "conservatives"
block the taxes. Both sides disconnect rights from responsibilities. You get
the worst of both worlds.

Look at their electric "deregulation" of a few years back. The retail prices
were regulated (classic big government utility/monopoly idea) but the wholesale
prices weren't (classic laissez-faire trickle-down supply-side
free-market-capitalism).

Coupled with that was the desire for high tech jobs and investment (Silicon
Valley) but not the responsibility to build the infrastructure to run it
(power lines, generating stations).

End result: Lotta people's lights went out.

73 de Jim, N2EY