Brian wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

Brian wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...


N2EY wrote:


Would that some folks would at least listen to reason on what the
rules actually mean.....

The preponderence of evidence would suggest otherwise for some.


For example, the FCC specifies in Part 97 that a -Morse Code- exam
will be given at five (5) WPM. The VECs gathered and decided to
administer a Farnsworth Exam at 13-15 WPM instead.



What *looks* like happened, IMO, is that there really wasn't much
planning for a transition after the fall.


Extra DICK says he foresaw this twenty (20) years ago. Extra Jim and
his bunions have surmised for the last 3+ years that the FCC has no
choice but to dump the code.

So what have you'se guys developed in all this time? Aren't you the
forward thinker on the ARS? You usually have all the answers. Are
you sitting this one out?


We (or I) have answers, but they won't be acknowleged. We lost the war,
and now it is up to those who won it.


Absolutely not. This is your future as well.


A PCTA has to sit this one out because his/her input is no longer
relevent. The paradigm has changed. NCTA's will rule the roost.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Yep, leave it up to the other guy...

Too much apathy in amateur radio.

Uhh Brian, let's look at just how much credibility the PCTA's have in
this newsgroup. Nada, zilch, nothing.

About the only thing we could do is to ask someone like Carl to tell us
what to do.

What I would say is to keep the code test in the future, and to
maintain a high level of proficiency in the writtens. That is what I
believe the ARS should do. I can and will file my comments, but it isn't
going to mean a thing.

What the NCTA's appear to want is an open acceptance of what they have
brought to bear on the Amateur community. Sorry, ain't going to happen.
I'll welcome and encourage new hams, but I won't change my mind about
how I think the ARS should be structured.

Personally, I think the NCTA's haven't quite figured out that THEY have
become the mainstream in Amateur radio. YOU WON! NOw you have to start
running the show.

People who agitate for change very often have a hard time adjusting to
their new position after achieving it, so don't feel too bad.

This whole concept is why I chastise Carl and Bill for not being more
prepared to ease the transition after their victory. The PCTA's, such as
Larry, Dick, Dave, Jim, Dan, and myself and others, are a diverse group.
We have in common the belief that the code test is a good thing for
Amateur radio, but beyond that we have opinions that run all over the place.

This is why I say Carl Has to get his people in line. You are one of
his people, All the rabble rousing CB'ers are his people, All the people
who oppose Morse Code testing are his people. You are now the status quo.

You have to deal with it. That is exactly how it is. Amateur radio's
future now hinges on you. And there is nothing a PCTA could do about it
even if they wanted to.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

Personally, I think the NCTA's haven't quite figured out that THEY have

become the mainstream in Amateur radio. YOU WON! NOw you have to start
running the show.

People who agitate for change very often have a hard time adjusting to
their new position after achieving it, so don't feel too bad.

This whole concept is why I chastise Carl and Bill for not being more
prepared to ease the transition after their victory. The PCTA's, such as
Larry, Dick, Dave, Jim, Dan, and myself and others, are a diverse group.
We have in common the belief that the code test is a good thing for
Amateur radio, but beyond that we have opinions that run all over the place.

This is why I say Carl Has to get his people in line. You are one of
his people, All the rabble rousing CB'ers are his people, All the people
who oppose Morse Code testing are his people. You are now the status quo.

You have to deal with it. That is exactly how it is. Amateur radio's
future now hinges on you. And there is nothing a PCTA could do about it
even if they wanted to.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike:

ROFLMAO!!! I think the fact that the NCTA's are the new "mainstream" in
amateur radio is nothing short of the laugh of the century! During the code/
no-code (test) debate, they promised the following:

- Tremendous growth in the numbers of new hams, particularly through
the involvement of young, computer literate, technically-inclined people.

- Tremendous increases in the "advancement of the state of the art," with
the aforementioned young people taking us into the high-speed digital age,
giving us the ham radio equivalent of all the commercial wireless services now
available on the cell phone networks and the internet.

- Greater diversity in the ham radio community, through the involvement of
more minorities and women.

- Growth in the numbers of physically-challenged hams due to the
elimination
of the Morse code test.

That's all I can specifically recall. That's enough, however. It will be very
interesting
to see just how long it takes for any of the above to take place whenever the
FCC gets around to acting on WRC-03. The NCTA has a lot of promises to keep,
and many miles to go before they sleep!

73 de Larry, K3LT

Larry Roll K3LT wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Personally, I think the NCTA's haven't quite figured out that THEY have


become the mainstream in Amateur radio. YOU WON! NOw you have to start
running the show.

People who agitate for change very often have a hard time adjusting to
their new position after achieving it, so don't feel too bad.

This whole concept is why I chastise Carl and Bill for not being more
prepared to ease the transition after their victory. The PCTA's, such as
Larry, Dick, Dave, Jim, Dan, and myself and others, are a diverse group.
We have in common the belief that the code test is a good thing for
Amateur radio, but beyond that we have opinions that run all over the place.

This is why I say Carl Has to get his people in line. You are one of
his people, All the rabble rousing CB'ers are his people, All the people
who oppose Morse Code testing are his people. You are now the status quo.

You have to deal with it. That is exactly how it is. Amateur radio's
future now hinges on you. And there is nothing a PCTA could do about it
even if they wanted to.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Mike:

ROFLMAO!!! I think the fact that the NCTA's are the new "mainstream" in
amateur radio is nothing short of the laugh of the century! During the code/
no-code (test) debate, they promised the following:

Though no doubt some bitterness in that laugh, eh?


- Tremendous growth in the numbers of new hams, particularly through
the involvement of young, computer literate, technically-inclined people.

right

- Tremendous increases in the "advancement of the state of the art," with
the aforementioned young people taking us into the high-speed digital age,
giving us the ham radio equivalent of all the commercial wireless services now
available on the cell phone networks and the internet.

right

- Greater diversity in the ham radio community, through the involvement of
more minorities and women.

What a racist thing for them to say.

oh yeah, right.


- Growth in the numbers of physically-challenged hams due to the
elimination
of the Morse code test.

arrgh, right.


That's all I can specifically recall. That's enough, however. It will be very
interesting
to see just how long it takes for any of the above to take place whenever the
FCC gets around to acting on WRC-03. The NCTA has a lot of promises to keep,
and many miles to go before they sleep!


Every once in a while, the worst thing a group can get is what it asks
for! ;^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

Uhh Brian, let's look at just how much credibility the PCTA's have in
this newsgroup. Nada, zilch, nothing.

Mike, I see it the other way. In any case, everyone posting here has
been tainted by the stench of a rotting horse. But we continue to
beat it anyway.

About the only thing we could do is to ask someone like Carl to tell us
what to do.

If you must.

What I would say is to keep the code test in the future, and to
maintain a high level of proficiency in the writtens. That is what I
believe the ARS should do. I can and will file my comments, but it isn't
going to mean a thing.

Why not?

What the NCTA's appear to want is an open acceptance of what they have
brought to bear on the Amateur community. Sorry, ain't going to happen.
I'll welcome and encourage new hams, but I won't change my mind about
how I think the ARS should be structured.

You know, some people think that the NCTA have been ineffective at
changing anything. They think the FCC was going that way anyhow.

So I'll chalk you up as one who thinks NCI is a highly effective
organization. Yep, better ask Carl how you should respond to and
NOI/NPRM.

Personally, I think the NCTA's haven't quite figured out that THEY have
become the mainstream in Amateur radio. YOU WON! NOw you have to start
running the show.

Kewl!

People who agitate for change very often have a hard time adjusting to
their new position after achieving it, so don't feel too bad.

Kind of like the Republican Party after 70 years of Democrat rule.

FWIW, they're doing just fine. So will we.

This whole concept is why I chastise Carl and Bill for not being more
prepared to ease the transition after their victory. The PCTA's, such as
Larry, Dick, Dave, Jim, Dan, and myself and others, are a diverse group.

Steve, Larry, Dick, Kelly, Dave, Dan, Bruce, Dan Finn, and a heap of
others who have fallen on their swords are certainly diverse.

Jim seems to be friendly enough, considering the hell he's been
through over the years.

We have in common the belief that the code test is a good thing for
Amateur radio, but beyond that we have opinions that run all over the place.

Oh, yeh.

This is why I say Carl Has to get his people in line. You are one of
his people, All the rabble rousing CB'ers are his people, All the people
who oppose Morse Code testing are his people. You are now the status quo.

Except for the CB part, thank you. CB is regulated by Part 95, not
Carl.

I'm ready to start singing like Sidney Portier, "He's Got the Whole
World in His Hands."

You have to deal with it. That is exactly how it is. Amateur radio's
future now hinges on you. And there is nothing a PCTA could do about it
even if they wanted to.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike, don't sweat it. The ARS is in good hands.

73, Brian