On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:01:49 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

While the intent may be good, this is a REALLY BAD idea ...

Yes, expressing your viewpoint to the government is a horrible idea. Just keep
quiet and don't rock the boat. Only a backward ass ham radio operator would
have this view.


--
The Radio Page Ham, Police Scanner, Shortwave and more.
http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/

Keith wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:01:49 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:



While the intent may be good, this is a REALLY BAD idea ...



Yes, expressing your viewpoint to the government is a horrible idea. Just keep
quiet and don't rock the boat. Only a backward ass ham radio operator would
have this view.




No, you need to tell it to the right people in the government. Someone
throw together a
Petition for Rule Making on this, and let's comment on it after it's at
the FCC.

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ...
While the intent may be good, this is a REALLY BAD idea ...

I agree, Carl. But will they listen to you?

Flooding the FCC Commissioner's e-mail inboxes with such
letters will only

[make them angry]

at ALL of ham radio, not
just pro-code-test or no-code test factions.

Agreed! But will they listen to you? And what do they have to lose?

There is a right way and a wrong way to do this ... and this
is DEFINITELY the WRONG way.

There are lots of wrong ways, including things like breaking the
rules, emailing the wrong people, putting together proposals that are
not well-developed, etc. Heck, I cringe to read the comments sometimes
because of the obvious lack of spell- and grammar-checking.

Those who support the elimination of the Morse test from US
FCC rules would be well-advised to join NCI
http://www.nocode.org
and follow the news.

But will tney listen to you, Carl? How many have joined? There are
over 687,000 US amateurs, plus an unknown number of prospective hams -
how many have actually joined your organization?

NCI's Board of Directors is working the strategy for how to
best approach the FCC on this matter and we will keep the
membership informed when we have finalized those discussions.

In other words, "join our organization and trust us to do what's best,
don't go running off half-cocked and make all of us look bad". That's
what the ARRL has been saying for decades...

Join No Code International! Hams for the 21st Century.

Will these "hams for the 21st Century" listen to you and toe the party
line?

Help assure the survival and prosperity of ham radio.

I think we can agree that annoying the Commissioners, breaking the
rules, and acting like we don't know how the system works isn't going
to help the survival and prosperity of ham radio.

There's one thing about all this that puzzles me, though. The FCC made
their opinions clear back in 1999 and again in 2000. The agenda for
WRC 2003 was known more than a year in advance and the outcome for
S25.5 correctly predicted by you (Carl) as a "slam dunk". Yet your
organization is still figuring out what to do next wrt FCC?

How long will it take to decide, and will "your people" listen to you?
They don't have much to lose, and they don;t even think they will get
caught. Many don't understand how the system works, but think they do
and don't care about long-term effects or the image of the ARS as a
whole.

Newsgroup postings are bad enough, but some are advocating massive
spamming and rulebreaking. Is that to be the way of "hams for the 21st
century"?

73 de Jim, N2EY

Keith wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:01:49 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:


While the intent may be good, this is a REALLY BAD idea ...


Yes, expressing your viewpoint to the government is a horrible idea. Just keep
quiet and don't rock the boat. Only a backward ass ham radio operator would
have this view.


SPANK! Finally we're getting enough irony in our diets!

- Mike KB3EIA -

(N2EY) wrote in message . com...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message ...

Newsgroup postings are bad enough, but some are advocating massive
spamming and rulebreaking. Is that to be the way of "hams for the 21st
century"?

You bet, these are the kinds of "advances into the 21st Century" we
can expect if/when the free lunch truck gets underway. We can see it
right here every day.


73 de Jim, N2EY

w3rv

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:24:33 -0400, Robert Casey
wrote:

No, you need to tell it to the right people in the government. Someone
throw together a
Petition for Rule Making on this, and let's comment on it after it's at
the FCC.

Well someone called for a petition for declaratory ruling instead. The
ARRL
wants to wait a few more years before changing the code requirements so
BPL can
take full effect and the HF bands are useless.

;-



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http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/

Keith, how can you allege the ARRL is waiting for BPL to take over? The
ARRL just filed a 14, or was it 16? page brief to the FCC against BPL.

How about putting you brain in gear before operating your mouth next time.

Dan/W4NTI

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Keith wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 17:01:49 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson"
wrote:


While the intent may be good, this is a REALLY BAD idea ...


Yes, expressing your viewpoint to the government is a horrible idea.
Just keep
quiet and don't rock the boat. Only a backward ass ham radio operator
would
have this view.


SPANK! Finally we're getting enough irony in our diets!

- Mike KB3EIA -



Gee Kieth, all this time I thought that was what congress wanted. I guess
this being a representative republic is wrong eh? The constitution and the
bill of rights are just pieces of flakey paper, eh?

With all due respect Keith. Grow the Flip Up.

Dan/W4NTI

"N2EY" wrote in message
om...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
...
While the intent may be good, this is a REALLY BAD idea ...

I agree, Carl. But will they listen to you?

Flooding the FCC Commissioner's e-mail inboxes with such
letters will only

[make them angry]

at ALL of ham radio, not
just pro-code-test or no-code test factions.

Agreed! But will they listen to you? And what do they have to lose?

There is a right way and a wrong way to do this ... and this
is DEFINITELY the WRONG way.

There are lots of wrong ways, including things like breaking the
rules, emailing the wrong people, putting together proposals that are
not well-developed, etc. Heck, I cringe to read the comments sometimes
because of the obvious lack of spell- and grammar-checking.

Those who support the elimination of the Morse test from US
FCC rules would be well-advised to join NCI
http://www.nocode.org
and follow the news.

But will tney listen to you, Carl? How many have joined? There are
over 687,000 US amateurs, plus an unknown number of prospective hams -
how many have actually joined your organization?

NCI's Board of Directors is working the strategy for how to
best approach the FCC on this matter and we will keep the
membership informed when we have finalized those discussions.

In other words, "join our organization and trust us to do what's best,
don't go running off half-cocked and make all of us look bad". That's
what the ARRL has been saying for decades...

Join No Code International! Hams for the 21st Century.

Will these "hams for the 21st Century" listen to you and toe the party
line?

Help assure the survival and prosperity of ham radio.

I think we can agree that annoying the Commissioners, breaking the
rules, and acting like we don't know how the system works isn't going
to help the survival and prosperity of ham radio.

There's one thing about all this that puzzles me, though. The FCC made
their opinions clear back in 1999 and again in 2000. The agenda for
WRC 2003 was known more than a year in advance and the outcome for
S25.5 correctly predicted by you (Carl) as a "slam dunk". Yet your
organization is still figuring out what to do next wrt FCC?

How long will it take to decide, and will "your people" listen to you?
They don't have much to lose, and they don;t even think they will get
caught. Many don't understand how the system works, but think they do
and don't care about long-term effects or the image of the ARS as a
whole.

Newsgroup postings are bad enough, but some are advocating massive
spamming and rulebreaking. Is that to be the way of "hams for the 21st
century"?

73 de Jim, N2EY

I'll answer that for Carl...YES those are the new hams. Thanks Carl.

Dan/W4NTI

In article , "Dan/W4NTI"
writes:

Keith, how can you allege the ARRL is waiting for BPL to take over? The
ARRL just filed a 14, or was it 16? page brief to the FCC against BPL.

121 pages, much of it engineering analysis showing how much interference could
be expected in a typical amateur situation.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Dan/W4NTI"
writes:

Keith, how can you allege the ARRL is waiting for BPL to take over? The
ARRL just filed a 14, or was it 16? page brief to the FCC against BPL.

121 pages, much of it engineering analysis showing how much interference
could
be expected in a typical amateur situation.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Roger that Jim. Looks like the 'useless league' is doing a good thing.
Perhaps my donation went to pay for some of that paper.

Dan/W4NTI