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July 28th 03, 04:59 AM

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Deaf people have used Morse Code in ham radio.

Of course...the transcendental supernaturality of morse gets through
when nothing else will.

I interviewed four deaf radio amateurs for HAM RADIO magazine and had
material on three others.Six of them were still active and NONE of them
(including a dentist) used OOK CW keying or any morse codes. All of
them were code tested BEFORE they became legally deaf. All of the
active hams used RTTY.

Sure you did. Names? Callsigns? Thier status today?

Simple. They rest fingers on a speaker cone and feel the vibrations. It's benn
done many times by deaf people. Just like many deaf people dance by feeling
the rhythm the music through their feet.

I'm sure you've been around hearing-disabled dance halls a lot...NOT!

Please cite the "many times" deaf people have "benn" tested for ham
licenses. Give their callsigns.

Not necessary...was in both CQ and QST on several
occassions...BUT...

...since you asked.....W8CGD (SK), unfortunately. Was just a bit
too close to an incoming mortar round in WW2. Immediately lost his
vision, the hearing went later. I "knew" him on the air for 3 months
before I met him at a hamfest in Cuyahoga Falls, OH. He never once
squalled about what he could or couldn't do...

Also, many deaf people have some limited hearing. It is not unusual for them
to be able to hear single tones but not undersatand speech.

Sigh...another amateur audiologist side of the knowitall procode
newsgroupie.

Shall I break out actual citations from JAMA now, Lennie, or
would you care to just shut up and admit that someone BESIDES you is
able to read..?!?!

(You were a "nice guy" for a couple days...what heppened? Mrs
Putz go on a seperate vacation and you invited in some "hired help" to
keep you distracted for a few days?)

Hams have been using Baudot RTTY for almost 60 years....

"Baudot?" Most of those old SURPLUS TTYs had the name
"Teletype" on them.

Typical Putz reply.

Yet the various advocacy groups for handicapped people have never protested
the amateur radio test regulations. Indeed, the group "Handi-Hams" was AGAINST
the medical waiver rule change back in 1990, as I recall.

They were? What specific "advocacy groups for handicapped people" have
YOU ever had personal contact with other than Handi-Hams?

Please let us know, grand champion crusader for the rights of the
handicapped.

And while we are waiting for HIS reply, Lennie, let's hear what
advocacy groups YOU have had contact or interaction with.....

The morse code test for deaf people is pure discrimination and now that
s25.5 no longer requires a proficiency to know and send morse code the FCC
better move fast to remove this discrimination.

If you're going to go that route, then all of the questions in the written
tests about voice modes have to go as well, because there's no way deaf
people
are going to use SSB, either. Take out the questions on PSK-31, RTTY, etc.,
because blind people won't use those modes. Get rid of the Extra and General
class written tests entirely because there are people who can't pass them, but
who can pass the Tech written. And since FCC says the Tech test is adequate
for
all authorized modes, bands and power on amateur VHF/UHF, why is any more
written testing needed for HF beyond a few band-edge questions?

Blah, blah, blah, "if the manual morse code test is eliminated, then all the
written tests 'should also' be eliminated." Blah, blah. Purile illogic.

Whine, whine, whine...spiteful statements from someone who insists that
all must do as he did because he is so magnificent.

Nope...One follows the other. They may be silly, but hey...this
is the same nation that allowed a known pathological liar and sexual
predator to not only remin in office, but re-elected him...ANYthing is
possible.

Now...The answers to the above questions, Sir Putzalot?

Steve, K4YZ

July 28th 03, 09:36 PM

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

Deaf people have used Morse Code in ham radio.

Of course...the transcendental supernaturality of morse gets through
when nothing else will.

I interviewed four deaf radio amateurs for HAM RADIO magazine and had
material on three others.Six of them were still active and NONE of them
(including a dentist) used OOK CW keying or any morse codes. All of
them were code tested BEFORE they became legally deaf. All of the
active hams used RTTY.

Sure you did. Names? Callsigns? Thier status today?

Simple. They rest fingers on a speaker cone and feel the vibrations. It's benn
done many times by deaf people. Just like many deaf people dance by feeling
the rhythm the music through their feet.

I'm sure you've been around hearing-disabled dance halls a lot...NOT!

For reference, friends who went to the WPSD (that should qualify as
deaf) do indeed dance by picking up the vibrations from the music, by
other meand than through their ears.

Please cite the "many times" deaf people have "benn" tested for ham
licenses. Give their callsigns.

Not necessary...was in both CQ and QST on several
occassions...BUT...

...since you asked.....W8CGD (SK), unfortunately. Was just a bit
too close to an incoming mortar round in WW2. Immediately lost his
vision, the hearing went later. I "knew" him on the air for 3 months
before I met him at a hamfest in Cuyahoga Falls, OH. He never once
squalled about what he could or couldn't do...

Also, many deaf people have some limited hearing. It is not unusual for them
to be able to hear single tones but not undersatand speech.

Sigh...another amateur audiologist side of the knowitall procode
newsgroupie.

Hey Steve, add to your citations KB3EIA. Let's try (against "normal")
tested 60 db down overall, with multiple 100 db deep holes. Add to that
two tone tinnitus at a loud level. (not measured) I read lips, and due
to the tinnitus, there isn't much point in a hearing aid. When it is
turned up enough to overcome the roar in my ears, it gets very fatiguing
after an hour or so.

You know how much I care about it? Nada, zip. I only mention it in this
group because I like to use it as a counterpoint when people talk about
the poor deaf people and how awful it is to force them to learn Morse code.

There's the perfect squelch to end all squelches.

- Mike KB3EIA -

w3rv

July 29th 03, 05:56 AM

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

You know how much I care about it? Nada, zip. I only mention it in this

group because I like to use it as a counterpoint when people talk about
the poor deaf people and how awful it is to force them to learn Morse code.

There's the perfect squelch to end all squelches.

Your squelch circuit is WAY out of calibration.

However, in order to set it properly, you have to read the instruction
manual
since that circuit is BEHIND the front panel. I don't think you know how to
do that.

I don't know why Coslo is so aggressively antagonistic in here...and on
both sides. Maybe he wants tea and sympathy for his tinnitus
condition?

I have some of that tinnitus and I don't go around mentioning it every
other post. Tinnitus has nothing to do with amateur radio or with
professional radio (except for sound men). Tuff. Get ON with life.

LHA

July 31st 03, 02:13 PM

July 31st 03, 08:35 PM

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message om...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:
Nursie gonna "cite" the Journal of the American Medical Association?!?!?

Since when did nursie achieve an M.D.?

"Nursie" doesn't have to.

Nursie has liberal access to numerous professional journals,
including JAMA, ENA, ANA, etc etc etc. Also, these publications are
in the our facilities professional text library.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Lennie's gone over the edge. I warned him.

Looks like he's walking a mile in your shoes.

August 1st 03, 06:07 PM

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message om...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Lennie's gone over the edge. I warned him.

Looks like he's walking a mile in your shoes.

He shudda tried a pair that hadn't been worn out and thrown away.

Steve, K4YZ

Steve, if you want to read more maniacal laughing postings, send him a fresh pair.

Brian

August 2nd 03, 08:30 AM

(Brian) wrote in message . com...

Steve, if you want to read more maniacal laughing postings, send him a fresh pair.

I doubt it...Lennie would never be able to wear my shoes even if
we did wear the same size.

Nor could you, I bet...

Steve, K4YZ

August 3rd 03, 08:31 PM

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...

Steve, if you want to read more maniacal laughing postings, send him a fresh pair.

I doubt it...Lennie would never be able to wear my shoes even if
we did wear the same size.

Nor could you, I bet...

Steve, K4YZ

Maybe if they were first dipped in a fungicide? But even if I were to
wear your shoes, I would deal with my problems constructively instead
of lashing out at other people.

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