Brian wrote:

Floyd Davidson wrote in message ...

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.

Sad, but true. But they don't see it that way.

Likely because it is a fairy tale. Leonard would need assistance to eat
mush for breakfast. You've been asked if you're his acolyte. I think
it would be more fitting if you were to be known as his electrolyte.

One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.

Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.

That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.

Or at least he tries to.

Or at least you attempt to let on that he does.

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

What's your claim to credibility?

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Floyd Davidson wrote in message ...

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.

Sad, but true. But they don't see it that way.

Likely because it is a fairy tale. Leonard would need assistance to eat
mush for breakfast. You've been asked if you're his acolyte. I think
it would be more fitting if you were to be known as his electrolyte.

At least I'm not his bunyon.

One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.

Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.

You're one of them that incessantly points out his license status.

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.

That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.

Bully for you.

Or at least he tries to.

Or at least you attempt to let on that he does.

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

What's your claim to credibility?

I yam what I yam.

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Floyd Davidson wrote in message ...

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.

Sad, but true. But they don't see it that way.

Likely because it is a fairy tale. Leonard would need assistance to eat
mush for breakfast. You've been asked if you're his acolyte. I think
it would be more fitting if you were to be known as his electrolyte.

At least I'm not his bunyon.

One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.

Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.

You're one of them that incessantly points out his license status.

Yes, I am. That isn't the same as what you claimed in your earlier
comment. Len isn't licensed in the amateur radio service and has no
experience in amateur radio.

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.

That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.

Bully for you.

....and shame on you for making yet another false accusation. That's two
so far in this exchange.


Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

What's your claim to credibility?

I yam what I yam.

Maybe you'll find a way to do something about it.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Floyd Davidson wrote in message ...

One of the funniest parts of reading the newsgroups related to
Amateur Radio, is watching Len Anderson eat these jerks for
breakfast every morning as a form of cheap entertainment. Not
that everything he says is great and exactly correct, but he
just does it for fun, and he does run circles around them.

Sad, but true. But they don't see it that way.

Likely because it is a fairy tale. Leonard would need assistance to eat
mush for breakfast. You've been asked if you're his acolyte. I think
it would be more fitting if you were to be known as his electrolyte.

At least I'm not his bunyon.

One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.

Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.

You're one of them that incessantly points out his license status.

Yes, I am. That isn't the same as what you claimed in your earlier
comment. Len isn't licensed in the amateur radio service and has no
experience in amateur radio.

What purpose does that serve? The vast majority of the policy makers
at the FCC aren't licensed in the amateur radio service and have no
experience in amateur radio.

But I don't hear you complaining about that, yet they have the ability
to change what you do and how you do it.

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.

That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.

Bully for you.

...and shame on you for making yet another false accusation. That's two
so far in this exchange.

Nothing false there.

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

What's your claim to credibility?

I yam what I yam.

Maybe you'll find a way to do something about it.

I'm satisfied with my accomplishments in the ARS.

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.

Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.

You're one of them that incessantly points out his license status.

Yes, I am. That isn't the same as what you claimed in your earlier
comment. Len isn't licensed in the amateur radio service and has no
experience in amateur radio.

What purpose does that serve?

It serves to point out Len's total lack of experience in the amateur
service.

The vast majority of the policy makers
at the FCC aren't licensed in the amateur radio service and have no
experience in amateur radio.

The vast majority of policy makers at the FCC have nothing whatever to
do with amateur radio. Those that are involved in the regulation of the
ARS, are quite knowledgeable about the service. They are paid to know.
Additionally, there are radio amateurs on the FCC staff. That has
nothing to do with the issue of Len Anderson. He isn't a participant in
amateur nor is he a regulator of amateur radio. Len is totally
irrelevant to amateur radio.

But I don't hear you complaining about that, yet they have the ability
to change what you do and how you do it.

No, you won't hear me complaining often though there are times when the
Commission makes a decision which I don't like or which is just plain
wrong. Len makes no such decisions and is not involved in amateur
radio.

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.

That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.

Bully for you.

...and shame on you for making yet another false accusation. That's two
so far in this exchange.

Nothing false there.

Just the ones beginning "But when confronted with mere Technician..."
and "One David Heil demands..." Are you going for three?

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

What's your claim to credibility?

I yam what I yam.

Maybe you'll find a way to do something about it.

I'm satisfied with my accomplishments in the ARS.

That has been evident for some time.

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.

Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.

You're one of them that incessantly points out his license status.

Yes, I am. That isn't the same as what you claimed in your earlier
comment. Len isn't licensed in the amateur radio service and has no
experience in amateur radio.

What purpose does that serve?

It serves to point out Len's total lack of experience in the amateur
service.

Yet he knows more about radio then you. How can that be if he has no experience?

The vast majority of the policy makers
at the FCC aren't licensed in the amateur radio service and have no
experience in amateur radio.

The vast majority of policy makers at the FCC have nothing whatever to
do with amateur radio. Those that are involved in the regulation of the
ARS, are quite knowledgeable about the service.

They fooled me with the last restructuring NOI/NPRM.

They are paid to know.

Wasted money.

Additionally, there are radio amateurs on the FCC staff.

So every amateur on "staff" makes policy and rules?

That has
nothing to do with the issue of Len Anderson. He isn't a participant in
amateur nor is he a regulator of amateur radio. Len is totally
irrelevant to amateur radio.

You are in the minority in thinking that.

But I don't hear you complaining about that, yet they have the ability
to change what you do and how you do it.

No, you won't hear me complaining often though there are times when the
Commission makes a decision which I don't like or which is just plain
wrong. Len makes no such decisions and is not involved in amateur
radio.

So why so do you give him so much attention?

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.

That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.

Bully for you.

...and shame on you for making yet another false accusation. That's two
so far in this exchange.

Nothing false there.

Just the ones beginning "But when confronted with mere Technician..."
and "One David Heil demands..." Are you going for three?

Sure. Why not?

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

What's your claim to credibility?

I yam what I yam.

Maybe you'll find a way to do something about it.

I'm satisfied with my accomplishments in the ARS.

That has been evident for some time.

And you are unsatisfied with yours?

Must you try to tear down Len at every opportunity to boost your stature?

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(Brian) writes:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message
...
Brian wrote:

One David Heil demands licensed participation in the ARS.

Maybe one of 'em demands such but it isn't this one.

You're one of them that incessantly points out his license status.

Yes, I am. That isn't the same as what you claimed in your earlier
comment. Len isn't licensed in the amateur radio service and has no
experience in amateur radio.

What purpose does that serve?

It serves to point out Len's total lack of experience in the amateur
service.

Yet he knows more about radio then you. How can that be if he has no
experience?

Poor Dave, still smarting over his alleged expertise in State Dept.
communications from the Cashew Nut Capital of Africa. :-)

He loves to put down others using "standards" of his own invention.
That saves him time and embare-assment of talking ON a subject.
It's so much easier for him to insult a communicator personally when
he doesn't have any valid argument on subjects.

That seems endemic to the members of the Gang of Four, PCTAs
all, drunk on sour whine after the rewrite of S25.5.


The vast majority of the policy makers
at the FCC aren't licensed in the amateur radio service and have no
experience in amateur radio.

The vast majority of policy makers at the FCC have nothing whatever to
do with amateur radio. Those that are involved in the regulation of the
ARS, are quite knowledgeable about the service.

They fooled me with the last restructuring NOI/NPRM.

They are paid to know.

Wasted money.

Additionally, there are radio amateurs on the FCC staff.

So every amateur on "staff" makes policy and rules?

They must according to insider Dave.

All in the ARS are accountable to Dave and Dave's standards.

Probably in the same way that Arthur Andersen Co. was
"accountable" for Enron doings. :-)

That has
nothing to do with the issue of Len Anderson. He isn't a participant in
amateur nor is he a regulator of amateur radio. Len is totally
irrelevant to amateur radio.

You are in the minority in thinking that.

Probably not. There are a whole glob of old-timers who have been busy
brainwashing and being brainwashed into thinking that amateurs are the
supermen of radio. That allowed them to have superhuman status in
their own minds...adding stature to their self-images even though not
recognized by professionals.

Amateur radio is never been anything more than a hobby/recreation
activity in radio. That is an unwanted concept to the ARS lifestylers
whose whole being revolved around amateurism as superhuman radio
activity. ARS lifestylers and some old-timers just can't separate their
fantasies from realities.

But I don't hear you complaining about that, yet they have the ability
to change what you do and how you do it.

No, you won't hear me complaining often though there are times when the
Commission makes a decision which I don't like or which is just plain
wrong. Len makes no such decisions and is not involved in amateur
radio.

So why so do you give him so much attention?

He can't help himself. :-) There's another being in here who is totally
obsessed with certain individuals...concentrating on targets it thinks
are "weak" and venting all possible bile and filth on his opponents.
"Everyone knows his name." :-)

Dave NEEDS to triumph and he isn't talking about TR-3s, either.

Dave can't possibly concede any possible viewpoint other than his own
so he MUST go after the person of his opponent rather than the subject.


But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that
rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.

That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've
written
here very recently.

Bully for you.

...and shame on you for making yet another false accusation. That's
two
so far in this exchange.

Nothing false there.

Just the ones beginning "But when confronted with mere Technician..."
and "One David Heil demands..." Are you going for three?

Sure. Why not?

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the
dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200
Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's
dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

What's your claim to credibility?

I yam what I yam.

Maybe you'll find a way to do something about it.

I'm satisfied with my accomplishments in the ARS.

That has been evident for some time.

And you are unsatisfied with yours?

Of course he is and will state so, regardless of whether or not it is true.

Must you try to tear down Len at every opportunity to boost your stature?

Dave has reached a state in his obsession where he can no longer
control himself.

No problem to me. I've seen it often enough in other places on other
subjects all throughout life. :-)

Anyone not meeting Dave's viewpoints will have their person attacked,
usually by his suddenly citing "standards" that never existed before or
are totally irrelevant to the subject under discussion. Misdirection is
what it is...his trying to win message points by starting a "new thread"
on a person's "qualifications."

================

I've been away from the newsgroup nearly two weeks, enjoying life
away from reading all the shouting and hollering in here. Now I find
there is some AOL nutcase using "Avery Fine" as a pseudonym.
That's not me anymore than the other AOL nutcase "NoCWTest" is.
:-)

Now there's probably going to be lots of wasted bandwidth about AOL
screennames and the anymouse nutcases will get all hot and huffy
about mentioning their pseudonyms. They don't have the courage to
argue subjects in anything resembling debate. All those anymouse
creatures can do is spam everyone with their garble. :-)

I guess that, for many, Dave included, the modern US ARS is all
about posturing and preening and assuming "authority" where none
was granted, and playing the radio superman role for an audience that
can see through their act. :-)

See you next week. Maybe.

Leonard H. Anderson
real person, not a pseudonym, USPS address still valid at my old
HAM RADIO Magazine bylines.

Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Brian wrote:

It serves to point out Len's total lack of experience in the amateur
service.

Yet he knows more about radio then you.

It hasn't been demonstrated that he knows more about radio "then" me.
There is every possibility that Len knows more about electronics theory
than me. There is a similar possibility that I have much more
operational experience in "radio" or that I have much more knowledge of
wave propagation than Len. There is a certainty that I have forty years
more experience in amateur radio than Len.

How can that be if he has no experience?

What I wrote addressed Len's experience in amateur radio. He has none.


The vast majority of the policy makers
at the FCC aren't licensed in the amateur radio service and have no
experience in amateur radio.

The vast majority of policy makers at the FCC have nothing whatever to
do with amateur radio. Those that are involved in the regulation of the
ARS, are quite knowledgeable about the service.

They fooled me with the last restructuring NOI/NPRM.

They are paid to know.

Wasted money.

Well, after all, you're the expert.

Additionally, there are radio amateurs on the FCC staff.

So every amateur on "staff" makes policy and rules?

Is that what you read?

That has
nothing to do with the issue of Len Anderson. He isn't a participant in
amateur nor is he a regulator of amateur radio. Len is totally
irrelevant to amateur radio.

You are in the minority in thinking that.

And your statement is based on what strong indications?

But I don't hear you complaining about that, yet they have the ability
to change what you do and how you do it.

No, you won't hear me complaining often though there are times when the
Commission makes a decision which I don't like or which is just plain
wrong. Len makes no such decisions and is not involved in amateur
radio.

So why so do you give him so much attention?

A smart fellow would have figured out that laughing at Len isn't exactly
an endorsement of his views.

But when
confronted with mere Technician participation in the ARS that rivals
his Extraness, he digs in and destroys.

That claim is a non-starter as it is in conflict with what I've written
here very recently.

Bully for you.

...and shame on you for making yet another false accusation. That's two
so far in this exchange.

Nothing false there.

Just the ones beginning "But when confronted with mere Technician..."
and "One David Heil demands..." Are you going for three?

Sure. Why not?

Why not? Didn't you tell us that there was nothing false in your
comments?

Then there is Extra DICK. Probably Extra in every way except the dick
department. Then there's Jim "DeSoda" who keeps rewriting "200 Meters
and Up." No need to mention INSANE Clown Posse in a Nurse's dress or
the civilian with "real" military experience.

What's your claim to credibility?

I yam what I yam.

Maybe you'll find a way to do something about it.

I'm satisfied with my accomplishments in the ARS.

That has been evident for some time.

And you are unsatisfied with yours?

Yes indeed, much as I am with my guitar playing. I've been in amateur
radio and have played the guitar for forty years. I learn something new
about both and sharpen my skills in both with every passing year. I am
never satisfied with what I know and what I can do. I do not advocate
striving for mediocrity.

Must you try to tear down Len at every opportunity to boost your stature?

Poking fun at Leonard Anderson has never been done for purposes of
boosting my own stature, nor is it a "must" on my list of things to do.
If I had to list reasons for doing so, I'd likely come up with a list
like:

1) Because Len Anderson does it to others on a continuing basis

2) Because my views are in opposition to those held by Anderson, a
non-radio amateur.

3) Because Len comes across as a pontificating windbag who sees
himself as an expert in all things relating to radio communication.

4) Because it is soooooo easy.

Dave K8MN