Dave Heil wrote in message ...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

"Dave Heil" wrote in message
...
"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

Wait a minute ... don't tar all of us Extras with the same brush that
Dick, Larry, et al deserve ...

"Us Extras"? Whooo, that's rich, Carl!

Yes, Dave, "Us Extras" ... much as it may eat at you, I'm an Extra, too.

Sure you are, Carl--now.

David, are you living in the past?

(FCC said so ... and it's up to them, not you ... :-P

That's right. After all, "us" Extras have to stick together. Right?

I hope not. I would expect some of them to be "forward" thinkers.

denies that Shannon's work has anything to do with ham radio ...
Dick is scared to death that modern digital communications
(that he obviously isn't capable of comprehending) will ultimately
supplant his beloved Morse ... which appears to be the only thing
in ham radio at which he can claim true proficiency.

Simple version: Dick can't face the fact that his only "claim to
fame" (as in "a legend in his own mind") is irrelevant except as
a recreational activity.


I don't *claim* to have a claim to fame, Carl,I'll leave that for
clowns like you.


I'm rather sure that I'm not the only reader here who finds it very
revealing that while you and Frozen Floyd expound and glorify the
virtues of an all-digital ham radio "sometime in the future"-you do
continually insist that digital *is* the future-it is *I* and a few
others like Larry,who actually are on the air USING advanced digital
modes, along with a few which aren't so recent,like HELLSCHREIBER.

ALONG WITH cw.

What this shows to all is that what you actually are is all talk and
no walk, Pal. Show and tell but don't ask me to do it. Yeah.

Oh, yes, you did actually use a little AMTOR when you had a boat.
Hey, we all gotta get our mail somehow. But you abandoned it when the
boat went. Meanwhile
I have to think about it a bit to add up all the digital modes I've
worked *besides* CW.

How about a little PACTOR, some CLOVER-not much, there just wasn't
but a couple other stations that I ever caught on the air running
CLOVER, but my RTTY goes back to a Teletype Corp Model 15 which was
eventually replaced with a
Commodore 16 (yep, 16K of ram, not a C-64)with a costly, for those
days, Microlog AIR-1 module. I Followed that with a Commodore 64 and a
AEA PK64 which ran several modes, really worked great on packet too,
then when MS DOS took
over the world I got a PK232,which I still have, along with the HAL
P-38 card and a bunch of other stuff that will get traded one of these
days(Heath HK232, DSP232 and a MFJ which model mumber I forget).
Then came the soundcard era, and that's where things really heated up
with
PSK31, RTTY, HELLSCHREIBER and if I could have found anyone on the air
when I was looking, I'd try MFSK-16.

Meanwhile since I/we sincerely believe that radiotelegraphy is
valuable to the point that new hams should be required to get just a
bit of it before being allowed to forgo *any* further required
actions-they won't have to ever do anything whatever with that
license, if that's their bent- you and a few other like minded who
were just too lame or lazy to "do it" lay out all sorts of labels and
accusations toward us, not the least of which is the clearly visible,
easily-identified lie about our attitudes toward digital
communications.

For once and for all-- **IT JUST IS NOT SO!!!!!*

Facts don't budge you for a moment. OF COURSE Shannon's works are
quite important and I challenge you to find where I ever suggested
otherwise. But for you and Frosty to insist that Shannon controls the
ARS is beyond ludicrous, and it seems that everyone reading here but
you two and that idiot Anderson knows it. Oh, Don't forget the village
idiot Burke.
Have you actually spent any serious time trying to be a ham? Sure
doesn't look like from your postings, either of you.

Shannon controls nothing but explains much.

Aren't you intelligent enough to understand what this does to your
credibility? All this confirms just how much the old No Code hatred
has consumed you.
No Code International, indeed!

NOTE: I have no problem with folks pursuing Morse as a
recreational activity


So in your view CW is the only recreational activity within the ARS.
How novel.

(Brian) wrote in message om...
"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ...
No CW Test wrote:

Subject: NCVEC Position on Code
From: (Brian)
Date: 8/9/03 6:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(No CW Test) wrote in message
...

For the record, I have not
used PSK-31 myself on
the amateur bands.

So I will not lecture others
on how well it does or
does not work.

Yet Dick is free to lecture others, i.e., "any idiot can get psk going
in under 30 minutes," but by his own words here he couldn't.

He did get it going,
did he not?

That is the point.

Only to you.

Liar Burke still hasn't posted a quote showing that I said that, and he never will,
for it isn't true. Not even close, no part of it. What I said is "can learn to use PSK31
in 30 minutes". That is certainly true.

DICK, there are weeks and weeks of your own postings documenting your
problems with PSK.

Don't call me a liar and don't blame me for your own shortcomings.
After all, amateur radio isn't for everyone.



Well you're *STILL* a liar and you're ritght-hama radio isn't for everyone.
Seems you might have understood that by now, instead of just regurgitating.

(DickCarroll) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message om...
"Dick Carroll;" wrote in message ...
No CW Test wrote:

Subject: NCVEC Position on Code
From: (Brian)
Date: 8/9/03 6:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(No CW Test) wrote in message
...

For the record, I have not
used PSK-31 myself on
the amateur bands.

So I will not lecture others
on how well it does or
does not work.

Yet Dick is free to lecture others, i.e., "any idiot can get psk going
in under 30 minutes," but by his own words here he couldn't.

He did get it going,
did he not?

That is the point.

Only to you.

Liar Burke still hasn't posted a quote showing that I said that, and he never will,
for it isn't true. Not even close, no part of it. What I said is "can learn to use PSK31
in 30 minutes". That is certainly true.

DICK, there are weeks and weeks of your own postings documenting your
problems with PSK.

Don't call me a liar and don't blame me for your own shortcomings.
After all, amateur radio isn't for everyone.



Well you're *STILL* a liar and you're ritght-hama radio isn't for everyone.
Seems you might have understood that by now, instead of just regurgitating.

DICK, I understand that you're not a nice man.

In article , "Phil Kane"
writes:

On 02 Aug 2003 12:27:10 GMT, N2EY wrote:

Then please explain why there are so many NALs for violations
committed using voice modes, and so few for violations using Morse
code or data modes. Maybe it's not the TEST but the MODE that has an
effect?

The days when the monitoring stations would catch ham operators 2
or 3 kHz outside the band edge (especially in contests) are gone
forever. "Cruising" is no longer a daily activity.

Not the point. How big of a problem do we have with hams using CW straying
outdie the band edges at any time? Compare that to problems with hams using
voice modes and jamming, cussing, failing to ID, etc.

Yes, the op is ultimately responsible, that's a given. But the fact remains
that there are orders of magnitude difference in violations...

73 de Jim, N2EY