In article , "Tom" writes:

You are mistaken. CB radio is a legal hobby and so
is packet radio.

Tom

Tom:

Cindy's problem is, Packet is not legal on CB! It is authorized on some
of the MURS frequencies, however, so that may possibly be another
outlet for her digital mode experimentation.

73 de Larry, K3LT

In article , "Cindy W"
writes:

Which is exacly why young kids are turned off by ham
radio. I once took a group of young black kids to a
local ham radio club meeting. All the old white men
ignored the kids or made rude remarks. These same
frustrated old white men then wonder why the hobby
is rapidly going the way of the horse & buggy.

Cindy W

Cindy:

My advise to you would be to simply ignore the "old white men."
If you want to get kids involved in amateur radio, I would seek out
some of the younger, more open-minded members of the local
ham radio clubs and ask if they could mentor your group, with
the goal of starting your own radio club geared toward younger
people. This way, they could get started off on the right foot, and
you will not be inhibited by the parochial attitudes you have
experienced in the past.

Keep in mind that once some of these kids get licensed, they
will undoubtedly wish to operate on the local ham repeaters in
your area. It would be a big help if they (the kids) were able to
communicate in good, proper, standard English, without any
"urbanized" speech patterns or language which could cause them
to run into problems being accepted on the air. This is not to
say that their cultural differences cause them to deserve any
kind of negative reaction, just that it would be more helpful to
them in the long run to realize that success in our society
requires them to adopt and adhere to some of the more mainstream
cultural standards. If they are determined to make a point of
their "black" culture in their on-the-air presence, you will definitely
find yourself up against more of the same kind of reaction you
found at the club meeting. However, if these kids are polite,
well-spoken, display proper manners in general and good on-the-air
operating manners in particular, they will most certainly receive
the kind of treatment they expect and deserve.

One more thing -- don't ignore the Morse code. Kids really love it,
and consider the challenge of learning the code and using it to be
interesting and fun. Most of the whining and complaining about
learning the code has traditionally come from middle-aged white
men who simply can't be bothered to learn a useful communications
skill, and just want to pick up a microphone and talk. You and your
kids can run rings around these old timers. You're already going
in the right direction with your interest in Packet Radio, the thing
you need to do now is to get your operation within the limits of
what is legal within the Amateur Radio service, and get your kids
motivated and involved. You will be amazed at how fast they will
learn, if steered in the proper direction. There is nothing about
being a particular skin color which affects intelligence, in spite of
any "Bell Curve" crapola you may have heard about. These kids
will prove this to the world, if only given the proper leadership.

73 de Larry, K3LT

In article pBs1b.11143$S_.4538@fed1read01, "Ham Dat Am"
writes:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

Old white guys are a legitimate target - and I hope to someday be an old
white guy.

Don't tell that to an old Marine who fought on Iwo Jima

Sorry, 1950 and afterwards doesn't count... :-)

LHA

snip a bunch of stuff


The more I look at this thread the more it looks like the 'almost' perfect
troll. note that Cindy made one posting to start it to two conflicting
groups, one of which is known to be hostile to the discussed activity. She
already knew the frequencies, times, other operators, and apparently had
enough equipment to monitor said activity, which should have been enough to
answer her question without having to post to these groups. And after the
first, and surprisingly civil reply, she hopped in with both feet on a
totally unrelated topic to attack ham operators and label them not only as
judgmental hypocrites, but also as racist old white men... then she
disappeared.

If she could have done both with a single message it might have qualified as
a perfect troll, but now I can only give it a 9 out of 10 on the
troll-o-meter.

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article , "Cindy W"

writes:

Which is exacly why young kids are turned off by ham
radio. I once took a group of young black kids to a
local ham radio club meeting. All the old white men
ignored the kids or made rude remarks. These same
frustrated old white men then wonder why the hobby
is rapidly going the way of the horse & buggy.

Cindy W

Cindy:

My advise to you would be to simply ignore the "old white men."
If you want to get kids involved in amateur radio, I would seek out
some of the younger, more open-minded members of the local
ham radio clubs and ask if they could mentor your group, with
the goal of starting your own radio club geared toward younger
people.


Based on the very things Larry says below, I suspect, Cindy, that he is also
one of the "old white men." His meaning in the statement above is probably
more like, "with the goal of starting your own radio club geared toward
those kind of people." Larry's said some very questionable things in the
past, although they weren't all that "questionable" to a lot of us. We knew
right where he stood.


This way, they could get started off on the right foot, and
you will not be inhibited by the parochial attitudes you have
experienced in the past.


In other words, since your presence in these "other areas" leads to such
distress, on *your* behalf of course, Cindy and friends, then it would
probably be best if you just stay away from the mainstream folks.


Keep in mind that once some of these kids get licensed, they
will undoubtedly wish to operate on the local ham repeaters in
your area. It would be a big help if they (the kids) were able to
communicate in good, proper, standard English, without any
"urbanized" speech patterns or language which could cause them
to run into problems being accepted on the air.


Oh, so classic. These kids can speak in any way they wish--as long as
people LIKE LARRY are not around! Gosh, Cindy, maybe you should just give
up altogether and make folks like that real happy. (You know I am being
sarchastic, I hope).


This is not to
say that their cultural differences cause them to deserve any
kind of negative reaction, just that it would be more helpful to
them in the long run to realize that success in our society
requires them to adopt and adhere to some of the more mainstream
cultural standards.


If I wasn't trying to be so patient here, my blood would be boiling. Oh,
never mind, it is boiling and, Larry, you are pompous, bigoted jerk. But
you knew that. "Cultural differences" have nothing to do with your
concern--only your own ignorance.


If they are determined to make a point of
their "black" culture in their on-the-air presence, you will definitely
find yourself up against more of the same kind of reaction you
found at the club meeting.


Yeah, don't you get it, Cindy, the way "they" act is a definite sign of
indignance to us white folks. It has nothing to do with the fact that they
*ARE* black, you understand.


However, if these kids are polite,
well-spoken, display proper manners in general and good on-the-air
operating manners in particular, they will most certainly receive
the kind of treatment they expect and deserve.


Yeah, Cindy. Be sure that you teach these black kids how to say "yes sir"
to Larry. They wouldn't, of course, be saying anything like "no sir"
because that would not be polite. And, be sure you get that white accent up
into them before the ever get on the air--or they won't meet Mastah Larrah's
standards of being well-spoken. God forbid that he try to STRETCH HIS
HUMANNESS in any way to understand someone ON THEIR OWN TERMS.


One more thing -- don't ignore the Morse code. Kids really love it,
and consider the challenge of learning the code and using it to be
interesting and fun.


Yeah, Cindy, and if Mastah Larrah can't tell if they're black, he'll be able
to communicate with them. Ya see, Mastah Larrah can only communicate with
beeping because as soon as he opens his arrogant, bigoted, cracker-white
mouth, people turn their backs on him.


Most of the whining and complaining about
learning the code has traditionally come from middle-aged white
men who simply can't be bothered to learn a useful communications
skill, and just want to pick up a microphone and talk. You and your
kids can run rings around these old timers. You're already going
in the right direction with your interest in Packet Radio, the thing
you need to do now is to get your operation within the limits of
what is legal within the Amateur Radio service, and get your kids
motivated and involved.


And remember Cindy, that nothing Mastah Larrah has said YET has anything to
do with the R&R of ham radio--only with his own bigoted attitude. Yep, keep
those little black folks over theyah on the digital modes, Cindy. Mastah
Larrah don't need none 'o that black culture or accent or attitude stuff on
HIS ham radio.


You will be amazed at how fast they will
learn, if steered in the proper direction. There is nothing about
being a particular skin color which affects intelligence, in spite of
any "Bell Curve" crapola you may have heard about. These kids
will prove this to the world, if only given the proper leadership.

73 de Larry, K3LT


He had to get that one in there, Cindy. You see how antiquated his
reference point is. And, that is the world Mastah Larrah lives in. He just
doesn't realize that he is a Mastah to nothing.

Kim W5TIT
I apologize that there are people like that, Cindy. You help those kids get
on the air, if that's what they want. And let them know that if people
can't handle the way they wish to communicate, then that is not their (the
kids') problem. When they are on a repeater, or a frequency, it is "theirs"
anyway. Besides, I would hope we've gotten beyond the attitudes of folks
like Larry enough so that anyone on the air is someone to communicate with.

"charlesb" wrote in message
gy.com...

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...


QRZ ??? who was the little twit there ??? QRZ ???

I don't pay much attention to anybody who claims to be a ham but won't
show
a callsign. They're almost always anti-ham trolls.

Charles, N5PVL



Yep.

Dan/W4NTI

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
wrote:
"charlesb" wrote:

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...


QRZ ??? who was the little twit there ??? QRZ ???

I don't pay much attention to anybody who claims to be a ham but
won't show a callsign. They're almost always anti-ham trolls.

Charles, N5PVL


Why do you cross post your drivel to rec.radio.cb then, brainiak?

Because the original message was there and in rrap, and I was
responding to a person tha tI think posted from there.

- Mike KB3EIA -


Don't worry about Moparholic. This is his usual troll. Tries to stir it
up, then bitches because its cross posted. He probably cross posted it
anyway.

It don't mean nothin man.

Dan/W4NTI

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Ham Dat Am wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

Old white guys are a legitimate target - and I hope to someday be an old
white guy.


Don't tell that to an old Marine who fought on Iwo Jima

I was just thinking that being old was better than the alternative! 8^)

And well, white guys of eurpean descent are kind of the target( and
supposed cause of all ills) these day, old or young are the target these
days, no?

- Mike KB3EIA -



What the Marine was saying....is some of us 'old white guys' that are
targets....can fire back.

Dan/W4NTI

"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article , "Cindy W"

writes:

Which is exacly why young kids are turned off by ham
radio. I once took a group of young black kids to a
local ham radio club meeting. All the old white men
ignored the kids or made rude remarks. These same
frustrated old white men then wonder why the hobby
is rapidly going the way of the horse & buggy.

Cindy W

Cindy:

My advise to you would be to simply ignore the "old white men."
If you want to get kids involved in amateur radio, I would seek out
some of the younger, more open-minded members of the local
ham radio clubs and ask if they could mentor your group, with
the goal of starting your own radio club geared toward younger
people. This way, they could get started off on the right foot, and
you will not be inhibited by the parochial attitudes you have
experienced in the past.

Keep in mind that once some of these kids get licensed, they
will undoubtedly wish to operate on the local ham repeaters in
your area. It would be a big help if they (the kids) were able to
communicate in good, proper, standard English, without any
"urbanized" speech patterns or language which could cause them
to run into problems being accepted on the air. This is not to
say that their cultural differences cause them to deserve any
kind of negative reaction, just that it would be more helpful to
them in the long run to realize that success in our society
requires them to adopt and adhere to some of the more mainstream
cultural standards. If they are determined to make a point of
their "black" culture in their on-the-air presence, you will definitely
find yourself up against more of the same kind of reaction you
found at the club meeting. However, if these kids are polite,
well-spoken, display proper manners in general and good on-the-air
operating manners in particular, they will most certainly receive
the kind of treatment they expect and deserve.

One more thing -- don't ignore the Morse code. Kids really love it,
and consider the challenge of learning the code and using it to be
interesting and fun. Most of the whining and complaining about
learning the code has traditionally come from middle-aged white
men who simply can't be bothered to learn a useful communications
skill, and just want to pick up a microphone and talk. You and your
kids can run rings around these old timers. You're already going
in the right direction with your interest in Packet Radio, the thing
you need to do now is to get your operation within the limits of
what is legal within the Amateur Radio service, and get your kids
motivated and involved. You will be amazed at how fast they will
learn, if steered in the proper direction. There is nothing about
being a particular skin color which affects intelligence, in spite of
any "Bell Curve" crapola you may have heard about. These kids
will prove this to the world, if only given the proper leadership.

73 de Larry, K3LT


Well said Larry. As I was reading your comments I was thinking over the
years I have known 'black' operators on ham radio. And you know what? I
can't think of but 1 that acted like a jerk. He is long gone now.

Check out the OMISS group. They have been around for decades. And are
good examples of what you were talking about.

We had a guy here in the South. His name was John. He always was mobile
and we called him 'mobile John'. He was black. And welcomed wherever he
went. A fine gentleman and a great amateur operator.

Dan/W4NTI

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
"Larry Roll K3LT" wrote in message
...
In article , "Cindy W"

writes:

Which is exacly why young kids are turned off by ham
radio. I once took a group of young black kids to a
local ham radio club meeting. All the old white men
ignored the kids or made rude remarks. These same
frustrated old white men then wonder why the hobby
is rapidly going the way of the horse & buggy.

Cindy W

Cindy:

My advise to you would be to simply ignore the "old white men."
If you want to get kids involved in amateur radio, I would seek out
some of the younger, more open-minded members of the local
ham radio clubs and ask if they could mentor your group, with
the goal of starting your own radio club geared toward younger
people.


Based on the very things Larry says below, I suspect, Cindy, that he is
also
one of the "old white men." His meaning in the statement above is
probably
more like, "with the goal of starting your own radio club geared toward
those kind of people." Larry's said some very questionable things in the
past, although they weren't all that "questionable" to a lot of us. We
knew
right where he stood.


This way, they could get started off on the right foot, and
you will not be inhibited by the parochial attitudes you have
experienced in the past.


In other words, since your presence in these "other areas" leads to such
distress, on *your* behalf of course, Cindy and friends, then it would
probably be best if you just stay away from the mainstream folks.


Keep in mind that once some of these kids get licensed, they
will undoubtedly wish to operate on the local ham repeaters in
your area. It would be a big help if they (the kids) were able to
communicate in good, proper, standard English, without any
"urbanized" speech patterns or language which could cause them
to run into problems being accepted on the air.


Oh, so classic. These kids can speak in any way they wish--as long as
people LIKE LARRY are not around! Gosh, Cindy, maybe you should just give
up altogether and make folks like that real happy. (You know I am being
sarchastic, I hope).


This is not to
say that their cultural differences cause them to deserve any
kind of negative reaction, just that it would be more helpful to
them in the long run to realize that success in our society
requires them to adopt and adhere to some of the more mainstream
cultural standards.


If I wasn't trying to be so patient here, my blood would be boiling. Oh,
never mind, it is boiling and, Larry, you are pompous, bigoted jerk. But
you knew that. "Cultural differences" have nothing to do with your
concern--only your own ignorance.


If they are determined to make a point of
their "black" culture in their on-the-air presence, you will definitely
find yourself up against more of the same kind of reaction you
found at the club meeting.


Yeah, don't you get it, Cindy, the way "they" act is a definite sign of
indignance to us white folks. It has nothing to do with the fact that
they
*ARE* black, you understand.


However, if these kids are polite,
well-spoken, display proper manners in general and good on-the-air
operating manners in particular, they will most certainly receive
the kind of treatment they expect and deserve.


Yeah, Cindy. Be sure that you teach these black kids how to say "yes sir"
to Larry. They wouldn't, of course, be saying anything like "no sir"
because that would not be polite. And, be sure you get that white accent
up
into them before the ever get on the air--or they won't meet Mastah
Larrah's
standards of being well-spoken. God forbid that he try to STRETCH HIS
HUMANNESS in any way to understand someone ON THEIR OWN TERMS.


One more thing -- don't ignore the Morse code. Kids really love it,
and consider the challenge of learning the code and using it to be
interesting and fun.


Yeah, Cindy, and if Mastah Larrah can't tell if they're black, he'll be
able
to communicate with them. Ya see, Mastah Larrah can only communicate with
beeping because as soon as he opens his arrogant, bigoted, cracker-white
mouth, people turn their backs on him.


Most of the whining and complaining about
learning the code has traditionally come from middle-aged white
men who simply can't be bothered to learn a useful communications
skill, and just want to pick up a microphone and talk. You and your
kids can run rings around these old timers. You're already going
in the right direction with your interest in Packet Radio, the thing
you need to do now is to get your operation within the limits of
what is legal within the Amateur Radio service, and get your kids
motivated and involved.


And remember Cindy, that nothing Mastah Larrah has said YET has anything
to
do with the R&R of ham radio--only with his own bigoted attitude. Yep,
keep
those little black folks over theyah on the digital modes, Cindy. Mastah
Larrah don't need none 'o that black culture or accent or attitude stuff
on
HIS ham radio.


You will be amazed at how fast they will
learn, if steered in the proper direction. There is nothing about
being a particular skin color which affects intelligence, in spite of
any "Bell Curve" crapola you may have heard about. These kids
will prove this to the world, if only given the proper leadership.

73 de Larry, K3LT


He had to get that one in there, Cindy. You see how antiquated his
reference point is. And, that is the world Mastah Larrah lives in. He
just
doesn't realize that he is a Mastah to nothing.

Kim W5TIT
I apologize that there are people like that, Cindy. You help those kids
get
on the air, if that's what they want. And let them know that if people
can't handle the way they wish to communicate, then that is not their (the
kids') problem. When they are on a repeater, or a frequency, it is
"theirs"
anyway. Besides, I would hope we've gotten beyond the attitudes of folks
like Larry enough so that anyone on the air is someone to communicate
with.



Cindy,

I would like to apologize to you for Kim. As you can see by her callsign,
she is somewhat, shall we say...disturbed?

She and Larry don't get along very well. And Twit....er Tit, er Kim
seems to think what he says is directed at her ALL THE TIME.

She is in need of a couch and a cold towel.

Have a good day.

Dan/W4NTI