"Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:57:30 -0700, Caveat Lector wrote:
Interesting clip from the "Amateur Radio Newsline"
Posted here

"Morrain says High Frequency conditions were often deplorable with
extensive interference. He says the Hurricane Watch Net was being
relayed locally through both EchoLink and IRLP, the Internet Repeater
Linking Project, to help overcome H-F problem. All along the storms
projected path ham radio operators trained in emergency communications
were in service or on stand-by alert."

Better be careful that you don't drive too many Echolink critics
crazy. Remember: They claim that it isn't "real ham radio."

How can they explain the fact that it was heavily relied upon in
an emergency situation which the "real" service couldn't handle?

There was some confusion early as too many sources of input were mixed
together on one combined Echoink/IRLP conference. The National
Hurricane Center's liaison station commented:

"Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:57:30 -0700, Caveat Lector wrote:
Interesting clip from the "Amateur Radio Newsline"
Posted here

"Morrain says High Frequency conditions were often deplorable with
extensive interference. He says the Hurricane Watch Net was being
relayed locally through both EchoLink and IRLP, the Internet Repeater
Linking Project, to help overcome H-F problem. All along the storms
projected path ham radio operators trained in emergency communications
were in service or on stand-by alert."

Better be careful that you don't drive too many Echolink critics
crazy. Remember: They claim that it isn't "real ham radio."

How can they explain the fact that it was heavily relied upon in
an emergency situation which the "real" service couldn't handle?

I guess you kinda forgot about the part where the EchoLink stuff shut down
the instant the power went down, making it utterly useless for any kind of
communication, especially emergency communication. Forgot to quote that
part, huh?

An honest oversight, I am sure.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

"Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:57:30 -0700, Caveat Lector wrote:

EchoLink

I was disgusted to hear about the ARRL president getting on that hokey setup
and pretending to be operating as a ham. - Honoring the 9-11 victims *as a
ham* by getting on a non-ham setup that would be guaranteed to go dead
during any emergency precisely because it is based on non-ham stuff. Why
couldn't the guy get on W1AW and actually use radio? Is utilizing a non-ham
setup that is no good for emergency communications really an appropriate way
to honor the memory of those people *as a ham*? I don't think so. Instead, I
wonder what kind of message he was sending when he turned to the non-ham
stuff to communicate with other hams *as a ham*. I think the man should be
ashamed of himself.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

No he didn't forget! He let it out on PURPOSE! Echolink is a joke.......


"charlesb" wrote in message
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"Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 09:57:30 -0700, Caveat Lector wrote:
Interesting clip from the "Amateur Radio Newsline"
Posted here

"Morrain says High Frequency conditions were often deplorable with
extensive interference. He says the Hurricane Watch Net was being
relayed locally through both EchoLink and IRLP, the Internet Repeater
Linking Project, to help overcome H-F problem. All along the storms
projected path ham radio operators trained in emergency communications
were in service or on stand-by alert."

Better be careful that you don't drive too many Echolink critics
crazy. Remember: They claim that it isn't "real ham radio."

How can they explain the fact that it was heavily relied upon in
an emergency situation which the "real" service couldn't handle?

I guess you kinda forgot about the part where the EchoLink stuff shut down
the instant the power went down, making it utterly useless for any kind of
communication, especially emergency communication. Forgot to quote that
part, huh?

An honest oversight, I am sure.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

You just don't get it do ya, DUMBASS. Were you there? I was. It did go
down. It did not work. It failed, and so do you pudding cup. Bite my ass.






"Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:26:57 -0400, KC0??? wrote:
No he didn't forget! He let it out on PURPOSE! Echolink is a joke.......

Because it didn't go down. You see, oh net-clueless one, Echolink has
multiple servers all across the country, and it's not possible to kill
all of those servers with a power outage.

Anybody using a battery-powered laptop with a phoneline or satellite
link would have stayed in business just fine. It's no different than
using an emergency-powered ham station, except that it's a lot more
reliable.

Echolink is the wave of the future AND YOU JUST CAN'T STAND IT!!!!

"Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:26:57 -0400, KC0??? wrote:
No he didn't forget! He let it out on PURPOSE! Echolink is a joke.......

Because it didn't go down. You see, oh net-clueless one, Echolink has
multiple servers all across the country, and it's not possible to kill
all of those servers with a power outage.

Lloyd is right, you know.... The only part of EchoLink that shut down was
the part that was in the area affected by the emergency, when the power went
off.

In places unaffected by the emergency, it worked just fine! In this respect,
EchoLink is every bit as valid and effective as a phone number you can dial
to report a problem when the phone lines go dead. As long as there is no
emergency the system works just fine!

Once the power shut down in the affected area and EchoLink went belly-up,
the real Hams were still able to communicate with Ham Radio by use of
battery power, as in their vehicles, or with power from a generator... Only
the non-Ham stuff like EchoLink was dead, and in many parts of the
northeast, EchoLink is still dead as this is being written, a few days after
the storm hit.

No power, no phones - No EchoLink... That's one difference between EchoLink
and Ham Radio.

Amateur Radio is independent of non-ham communications carriers; EchoLink of
course is not. Not independent, and not Ham Radio.

Anybody using a battery-powered laptop with a phoneline or satellite
link would have stayed in business just fine.

Grasping at straws already, huh? Didn't take long, did it?

In packet radio, we call the "amateur telephone" devotees who cannot
differentiate between Ham Radio and the non-Ham stuff "LandLine Lids". I
suppose you must be another type of LandLine Lid.

You know.... The kind of guy whose idea of responding to an emergency *as a
ham* is to demonstrate their ability to use the telephone. Since he's a Ham,
his phone conversation is of course "ham radio"... Riiiiiight!
;-)

It's no different than
using an emergency-powered ham station, except that it's a lot more
reliable.

I'd ask the hams in the areas with no power before I put forward any radical
statements about how "reliable" EchoLink is with no Internet connection. You
don't want to end up looking stupid and dishonest by making unsupported and
unsupportable statements, do you?


Echolink is the wave of the future AND YOU JUST CAN'T STAND IT!!!!

EchoLink is an Internet chat, nothing more and nothing less. As far as that
goes, it is no better or worse than any other Internet chat. The only
unfortunate part about it is that some people are easily confused by
EchoLink, thinking that it is Ham Radio. It distracts them from the real
thing, leaving them totally helpless and unprepared in the case of an
emergency.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

Anybody using a battery-powered laptop with a phoneline or satellite
link would have stayed in business just fine.

As long as that phone line doesn't go down. Satellite link would be
better if the
signal doesn't mind going thru rain saturated skies.

It's no different than
using an emergency-powered ham station, except that it's a lot more
reliable.

If Echolink works, then other internet comms would also work as well.
It's an extra tool, nice to have, but it doesn't replace radio.


Echolink is the wave of the future AND YOU JUST CAN'T STAND IT!!!!

"Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:26:57 -0400, KC0??? wrote:
No he didn't forget! He let it out on PURPOSE! Echolink is a
joke.......

Because it didn't go down. You see, oh net-clueless one, Echolink has
multiple servers all across the country, and it's not possible to kill
all of those servers with a power outage.

Anybody using a battery-powered laptop with a phoneline or satellite
link would have stayed in business just fine. It's no different than
using an emergency-powered ham station, except that it's a lot more
reliable.

Echolink is the wave of the future AND YOU JUST CAN'T STAND IT!!!!

Well said !!

Echolink's performance during the Hurricane
Emergency exposed the TECHNOLOGICAL
OBSOLENCE of traditional SSB Amateur Radio.

And there's N O B O D Y who can dispute that
from a rational technological perspective.

Another no-callsign Troll, running down amateur radio on a ham radio
newsgroup.

(yawn)

Charles Brabham, N5PVL


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"Lloyd" wrote in message
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 17:26:57 -0400, KC0??? wrote:
No he didn't forget! He let it out on PURPOSE! Echolink is a
joke.......

Because it didn't go down. You see, oh net-clueless one, Echolink has
multiple servers all across the country, and it's not possible to kill
all of those servers with a power outage.

Anybody using a battery-powered laptop with a phoneline or satellite
link would have stayed in business just fine. It's no different than
using an emergency-powered ham station, except that it's a lot more
reliable.

Echolink is the wave of the future AND YOU JUST CAN'T STAND IT!!!!

Well said !!

Echolink's performance during the Hurricane
Emergency exposed the TECHNOLOGICAL
OBSOLENCE of traditional SSB Amateur Radio.

And there's N O B O D Y who can dispute that
from a rational technological perspective.

On 20 Sep 2003 23:04:25 GMT, Lloyd wrote:

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:19:06 -0400, KC0??? wrote:
You just don't get it do ya, DUMBASS. Were you there? I was. It did go
down. It did not work. It failed, and so do you pudding cup. Bite my ass.

It didn't go down. I was on the hurricane net via nasouth at the time
and listened to multiple stations from the affected area check in
throughout all of Thursday afternoon. The exercise will be written up
in both QST and CQ in a couple of months, from what I understand.

Just because YOUR connection went down, Chicken Little, doesn't mean
that the whole world's went down. It just means that you don't have
the technical smarts to deal with new technologies like Echolink and
IRLP (which is connected to Echolink, BTW).

So bite MY ass, Goldilocks, and go back to your appliance operations.
You clearly shouldn't be hanging out with the big boys of ham radio.

Get your General lardass or shut the hell up. You'll wait until the
code is done away with then get your HF privileges. Too bad you can't
sting up a dipole in your 1 bedroom apartment, lardass.