"Ed G." wrote in message
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Hmmm. That would be real interesting. The FCC restricting the use of
lawfully licensed transmitters in order to accomodate Part15 unlicensed
operations of incidental radiators.....


Ed WB6SAT

Uh huh. The BPL folk have important freinds at the FCC. Do the hams? If
so, why has this BPL thing gone this far?

Frank Dresser

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
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The transmission lines are radiators. As such they will also receive.

Power lines are right up next to the rigs. The RF from the radios will
trash the BPL. Probably by causing drop outs and adding lots of extra
delays. Basically it will make BPL useless anywhere near a ham station.

Dan/W4NTI



OK, let's say it does slow or even stop BPL near a ham station. Why
wouldn't the FCC restrict amatuer operations around BPL areas?

Frank Dresser



Well, hopefully, they can still read their own rules and regulations there
at the FCC. You see we are the authorized legal service. And BPL is the
unlicensed part 15 activity. Part 15 devices must accept interference from
the licensed users. Hams.

Course again, we are dealing with lawyers. So anything goes.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
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Well, hopefully, they can still read their own rules and regulations there
at the FCC. You see we are the authorized legal service. And BPL is the
unlicensed part 15 activity. Part 15 devices must accept interference
from
the licensed users. Hams.

Course again, we are dealing with lawyers. So anything goes.

Dan/W4NTI



If they don't like what they read, they'll write new ones.

Frank Dresser

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
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The transmission lines are radiators. As such they will also receive.

Power lines are right up next to the rigs. The RF from the radios will
trash the BPL. Probably by causing drop outs and adding lots of extra
delays. Basically it will make BPL useless anywhere near a ham station.

Dan/W4NTI



OK, let's say it does slow or even stop BPL near a ham station. Why
wouldn't the FCC restrict amatuer operations around BPL areas?

Frank Dresser



Because we are a licensed service and BPL is not ...

Carl - wk3c

"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
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Because we are a licensed service and BPL is not ...

Carl - wk3c


Oh. Who writes the licensing rules? Would it be the same politicians and
bureaucrats who think BPL is just fine and dandy?

Frank Dresser

In article k.net,
Dan/W4NTI w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote:
Well, hopefully, they can still read their own rules and regulations there
at the FCC. You see we are the authorized legal service.

THEY are the law. If they decide the public need for this kind of
broadband internet access outweighs the need of a few hams to
chit-chat...well...

Politics is quite an interesting thing. What's Right isn't always
clear-cut, and doesn't always go, even if it is.

We're probably talking about a majority of lawmakers who neither
understand radio nor the internet. They're likely to see, "guy with
freaky-ass radio equipment is stopping hundreds of my voters from
getting internet access, and this should be illegal." Or, worse, "Guy
who is giving me no money is interfering with organization that is
laying on the dough."

A united voice speaks better to the government, which is why ARRL is
asking for backing.

-Beej

"Keith" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:31:17 GMT,
opcom in wrote:

What have you done for Amateur Radio today?
--^^---------------------------------------------------------------

The question is what has the ARRL done to the future of Ham Radio
by hanging on to the Morse Code Requirement? It has killed it.


--
Best Regards, Keith http://kilowatt-radio.org/
==========================================
= http://slrn.org SLRN 0.9.8.0 is out. =
==========================================

Makes you happy that you are nothing more than a no-code CB'er.

10-73's!

"recalcitrant ham op" wrote in message
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"opcom" wrote in message
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This was posted to ARLI, I don't know how many
subscribe, but in spite of the numerous comments
against BPL (transmitting wideband internet data
over power lines, which will destroy the HF radio
spectrum), the FCC seems disposed to encourage
it anyway. evil! evil! just look up BPL on the web. T
the noise from the radiated signals trashed the ham bands thoroughly.

I guess you never heard that money talks and bull**** walks eh?

Did you *REALLY THINK* that a couple hundred
aging HF operating tightwad ham radio operators
are going to stop an emerging technology that will
conceivably network home appliances to the internet
and be worth $BILLIONS$ in potential revenue ??

Jeezehus-H-christ...get F-N real !!


Get your facts straight. There are 300,000+ hams licensed to operate HF and
another 300,000+ hams licensed in the VHF and higher only category. Note
that BPL will also trash 6meters and 2meters.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
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The transmission lines are radiators. As such they will also receive.

Power lines are right up next to the rigs. The RF from the radios will
trash the BPL. Probably by causing drop outs and adding lots of extra
delays. Basically it will make BPL useless anywhere near a ham station.

Dan/W4NTI



OK, let's say it does slow or even stop BPL near a ham station. Why
wouldn't the FCC restrict amatuer operations around BPL areas?



Right now and under the new power level proposal, BPL must meet Part 15.
This means that it legally cannot cause interference to any authorized or
licensed radio service and must accept interference from any authorized or
licensed radio service. Therefore any problems in BPL must be resolved on
the BPL side under current regulations. It would require changes in both
Part 15 and Part 97 to restrict operations around BPL areas. Plus don't
forget the non-ham spectrum users. The FCC will have a heck of a time
telling commercial AM radio, FM radio, and over-the-air TV broadcasters to
shut down.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
.com...


Right now and under the new power level proposal, BPL must meet Part 15.
This means that it legally cannot cause interference to any authorized or
licensed radio service and must accept interference from any authorized or
licensed radio service. Therefore any problems in BPL must be resolved on
the BPL side under current regulations. It would require changes in both
Part 15 and Part 97 to restrict operations around BPL areas.

Yes, that's the question. If a currently legal amatuer radio operator could
shut down high speed internet access for a given area, is there any reason
the FCC couldn't change it's current regulations, and put in new
restrictions on amateur radio?


Plus don't
forget the non-ham spectrum users. The FCC will have a heck of a time
telling commercial AM radio, FM radio, and over-the-air TV broadcasters to
shut down.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I'm sure the FCC wouldn't restrict any of that. The TV networks, radio
networks and all the people who watch and listen won't let them.

Frank Dresser