In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

Most American television and motion pictures are JUNK.

Ooooookay...you tell that to Walt Cronkhite next time you two are
at Dayton... :-)

Feel free to walk around this area shouting your "JUNK!" epithets.

If you do, make sure you have life insurance... :-)


Now you can get all upset and indignant, Len old boy, but the facts
are the facts.

Noooooo...those are just your OPINIONS. :-)

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You don't seem to know what I was talking about, mentioning the
novel and TV movie "The French Atlantic Affair." Why not?

It was written by a ham. Even got a review, with pictures, in a ham
magazine. Featured amateur radio as the problem-solver for a ship
hijacking...by a couple of Extras.

"N2EY" wrote in message
om...

On cb (this is the short list):

- Operation without a license (when licenses were required)
- Failure to identify


Hey, Jim? Just a quick question, 'cause I'm going on what goes on around
here. Have you ever heard long-time hams of the elder generation who get on
a club repeater and routinely forget to identify? I've heard entire
conversations take place here, where one or more of the long-time hams
[probably forget] fail to identify--even when they leave the radio.


- False/misleading identification


Haven't heard much of that on ham radio.


- Power far in excess of legal limit


Heck, I wouldn't know if that was taking place without the right test
equipment I suppose. I could sure guess it one way or the other or, again,
take some hams around here at their word that they "chuckle have a
tendency to overdo it now and then to get that " "rare" " one."


- Use of non-type-accepted/certified equipment


Ditto above.


- Operation on unauthorized frequencies


Haven't listened long enough at any time to see how much/often I hear this
on ham radio. Bet it goes on more than we realize, though(?)


- Intentional interference


Hear that all the time on VHF and HF. More common on VHF, though.


- Obscenity/profanity/vulgarity


Hear that all the time. And, I'd classify calling Democrats Nazis as being
vulgar, etc. I hear conversations such as this quite routinely around
here--again from long-time hams on their local "club" machines--I guess
where they figure they have earned the right to be that way.


- Contacts beyond the legal distance limit
- Contacts beyond the legal time limit


Of course, this would be a moot point--for the most part--on ham radio.


And the big one:

- Use of radio to facilitate other illegal activities (such as speed
limit violations)


Well, gotta hang my head again and say that I hear that routinely done
around here on 2M. In fact, you'll hear the proverbial "smokey" reports,
and hear of hams bragging all the time about zooming down the highway ("I'm
trying to catch up with you, dude, and I'm doing 75; how fast *are* you
going?"). Really.

Just my two pennies worth of stuff that can go on whether it's CB or not.
And, I agree with you on all the comments about TV, etc., although I like
most of the comedy shows on ABC.

Kim W5TIT

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
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Now you can get all upset and indignant, Len old boy, but the facts
are the facts.

Noooooo...those are just your OPINIONS. :-)


Not only that, consider the source... you're dealing with another PCTA
type that didn't receive his or her fair share of grey matter such that
self-determination isn't possible... it's just "bleat like the rest of the
sheep"

"CW test good.... modernization bad.....
CW test good.... mdernization bad...."

Clint


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The first amendment was meant to protect individual citizen's
rights to free speech from being hindered or banned by the
government. Did anybody else notice that it was 3 candidates
for president of the democratic party that called for Rush
Limbaugh's firing for what he said?

"Clint" rattlehead at computron dot net wrote in message
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"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...


Now you can get all upset and indignant, Len old boy, but the facts
are the facts.

Noooooo...those are just your OPINIONS. :-)


Not only that, consider the source... you're dealing with another PCTA
type that didn't receive his or her fair share of grey matter such that
self-determination isn't possible... it's just "bleat like the rest of the
sheep"

"CW test good.... modernization bad.....
CW test good.... mdernization bad...."

Clint


--

The first amendment was meant to protect individual citizen's
rights to free speech from being hindered or banned by the
government. Did anybody else notice that it was 3 candidates
for president of the democratic party that called for Rush
Limbaugh's firing for what he said?



Clint, you're a real certifiable asshole. You probably advocate terrorism
if it meets with your agenda. You creep.

Kim W5TIT

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
. com...

On cb (this is the short list):

- Operation without a license (when licenses were required)
- Failure to identify

Hey, Jim?

Yo!

(the original "Rocky" was on the other night - great film)

Just a quick question, 'cause I'm going on what goes on around
here. Have you ever heard long-time hams of the elder generation who get on
a club repeater and routinely forget to identify?

Nope.

'round these parts, failure to ID is pretty rare. Sometimes a newbie will
forget, and be very gently reminded in an indirect way (say, by having somebody
mention the call of everyone in the round table).

I've heard entire
conversations take place here, where one or more of the long-time hams
[probably forget] fail to identify--even when they leave the radio.

I've heard that once or twice, maybe - and never from the experienced hams.

- False/misleading identification

Haven't heard much of that on ham radio.

- Power far in excess of legal limit

Heck, I wouldn't know if that was taking place without the right test
equipment I suppose. I could sure guess it one way or the other or, again,
take some hams around here at their word that they "chuckle have a
tendency to overdo it now and then to get that " "rare" " one."

In some ways it's a bit of a mismatched comparison. If a ham runs, say, 6000
watts output (!) it will only make him/her about 6 db (1 S-unit) louder than
the legal limit. But the cber who runs 400 watts out is about 20 dB (almost
3-1/2 S units) over the line.

- Use of non-type-accepted/certified equipment

Ditto above.

Hams are not required to use type-accepted/certified equipment. cb users are.

- Operation on unauthorized frequencies

Haven't listened long enough at any time to see how much/often I hear this
on ham radio. Bet it goes on more than we realize, though(?)

Nope. No reason, really.

- Intentional interference

Hear that all the time on VHF and HF. More common on VHF, though.

Must be some real characters down there in TX, Kim. The worst we get up here is
when somebody "doubles" on the repeater - and then, just so they don't feel
bad, everybody keys their rig at once and makes a heterodyne furball. For about
10 seconds.

Not really intentional interference, tho.

- Obscenity/profanity/vulgarity

Hear that all the time. And, I'd classify calling Democrats Nazis as being
vulgar, etc. I hear conversations such as this quite routinely around
here--again from long-time hams on their local "club" machines--I guess
where they figure they have earned the right to be that way.

That's awful. Somebody tried that around here, the machine would go dead. Try
it more than once and they'd find nobody would talk to them.

Can't say I've ever heard anything like that on CW at all. Ever. Worst was
somebody calling somebody a lid for calling the DX on his (the DX's) freq,
after he'd announced he was working split.

- Contacts beyond the legal distance limit
- Contacts beyond the legal time limit

Of course, this would be a moot point--for the most part--on ham radio.

'zactly

And the big one:

- Use of radio to facilitate other illegal activities (such as speed
limit violations)

Well, gotta hang my head again and say that I hear that routinely done
around here on 2M. In fact, you'll hear the proverbial "smokey" reports,
and hear of hams bragging all the time about zooming down the highway ("I'm
trying to catch up with you, dude, and I'm doing 75; how fast *are* you
going?"). Really.

'round here it's tough enough to go the speed limit....

And that all came from where?

Just my two pennies worth of stuff that can go on whether it's CB or not.

Oh sure.

Point is, it was common on cb long before the movies and TV shows came out. It
was not common on ham radio back then - or now, around here anyway.

And, I agree with you on all the comments about TV, etc., although I like
most of the comedy shows on ABC.

I see maybe a few hours of TV a week at most. Usually PBS, rented tapes and
some of the better comedies.

Last week of the summer, was on vacation at a place with cable. 50 odd channels
and usually not a thing worth watching.

Right now the newest Ken Burns documentary is on. First transcontinental auto
trip, done west-to-east, in 1903.

Hiram Percy Maxim was an early auto pioneer, too.


73 de Jim, N2EY

"Kim W5TIT" wrote:

- Power far in excess of legal limit

Heck, I wouldn't know if that was taking place without
the right test equipment I suppose. (snip)


The more outragious offenders almost always stand out, Kim. For example,
if one signal in a area is much stronger than the other signals in that
area, that person is very likely using illegal equipment. Plus, those
running illegal equipment often give themselves away by doing other
modifications to their radios (for example, an overmodulated radio is a sure
sign the radio was modified). If you know the person's location, and the
antenna used, the simple signal strength meter on most radios can be used
for a rough guage. It's simply a matter of knowing what a CB would normally
do under those conditions, compared to what that equipment is doing. Of
course, none of this is proof enough for the FCC, but all are good informal
methods (suggesting more formal tests need to be done).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dick Carroll" wrote in message
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Clint wrote:

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
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Now you can get all upset and indignant, Len old boy, but the facts
are the facts.

Noooooo...those are just your OPINIONS. :-)



Not only that, consider the source... you're dealing with another PCTA
type that didn't receive his or her fair share of grey matter such that
self-determination isn't possible... it's just "bleat like the rest of
the
sheep"

"CW test good.... modernization bad.....
CW test good.... mdernization bad...."

Clint



One could compare rattlehead with Forrest Gump except that
Forrest was a not so bright fellow who did have some common sense...

I've noticed that folks that are a bit 'slow' are good at common sense.
Rattlehead is the exception that proves the rule.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message ink.net...
"Kim " wrote:

- Power far in excess of legal limit

Heck, I wouldn't know if that was taking place without
the right test equipment I suppose. (snip)


The more outragious offenders almost always stand out, Kim. For example,
if one signal in a area is much stronger than the other signals in that
area, that person is very likely using illegal equipment. Plus, those
running illegal equipment often give themselves away by doing other
modifications to their radios (for example, an overmodulated radio is a sure
sign the radio was modified). If you know the person's location, and the
antenna used, the simple signal strength meter on most radios can be used
for a rough guage. It's simply a matter of knowing what a CB would normally
do under those conditions, compared to what that equipment is doing. Of
course, none of this is proof enough for the FCC, but all are good informal
methods (suggesting more formal tests need to be done).

Or when the person says "gee, guess Ah bettah turn on the afterburner"
and the signal jumps up 20 dB.....

Shall we resurrect the "47 kW mobile" thread?

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote:

Or when the person says "gee, guess Ah bettah turn
on the afterburner" and the signal jumps up 20 dB.....


Yep, it does somewhat give it away, doesn't it? That reminds me of a drunk
CB'er heard with the shortwave one night. Over a course of an hour or so, he
contacted maybe a dozen people and asked each one how he sounded. No matter
what that person said, he always responded with "Maybe this will help. Ugh!"
as he turned on his linear (the "Ugh" was a long, drawn out, grunt). After
the initial surprise, I couldn't stop laughing each time he did it. The fact
that he was perfectly serious (he was simply that proud of his, possibly
new, toy) made it all the more humorous.

It all ended with a argument with another CB'er. I couldn't hear what the
other CB'er said (cheap shortwave receiver), but I got the impression that
he was complaining about interference with another channel.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"N8WWM" wrote in message
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In article t, Dan/W4NTI
says...


"Dick Carroll" wrote in message
...
Clint wrote:

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...



Now you can get all upset and indignant, Len old boy, but the facts
are the facts.

Noooooo...those are just your OPINIONS. :-)



Not only that, consider the source... you're dealing with another
PCTA
type that didn't receive his or her fair share of grey matter such
that
self-determination isn't possible... it's just "bleat like the rest
of
the
sheep"

"CW test good.... modernization bad.....
CW test good.... mdernization bad...."

Clint



One could compare rattlehead with Forrest Gump except that
Forrest was a not so bright fellow who did have some common sense...

I've noticed that folks that are a bit 'slow' are good at common sense.
Rattlehead is the exception that proves the rule.

Dan/W4NTI

You are and old fart. Step aside before the tech class run you over,
chump.


Now thats a funny one. I would have to run backwards for 40 years to allow
them to come even, chump.

Dan/W4NTI