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Brian wrote:

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In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:



Come up with the way a spark transmitter suddenly turns into
an Alexanderson Alternator whenever it is brought up in an amateur
radio newsgroup.

That's your game, Len.

What's your game, Jim?

What's your interest in knowing, Brain? Even if he tells you,
it's unlikely you'd understand.

Steve, K4YZ


I think I already know and understand Jim's game. He built an
Elecraft kit, then professes to have engineered and built his own
amateur station.



You DO seem to have a problem with the thought process.
Sure, Jim recently did buy and build a K2 kit.

He's been speaking of it for several years.

But what
you missed, among many other important points, was that
he has always clearly stated that it WAS a kit project,

How could I have missed something so obvious? I think you just stated
something that Jim has been omitting.

not to be confused with the *several* project stations that
he has designed and built, and USED ON THE AIR over his
near-40 years as a ham.

What was so wrong with "Jim engineered and built" radios that he had
to go to a kit engineered by someone else?

I thought Jim was supposed to be a good engineer.

But then, that's what we've learned to expect from you.

We know what to expect from you - poorly sent CW.

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

Yet another example of emulating your pathological liar mentor, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

Stebe is my mentor.

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Brian wrote:

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In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:



Come up with the way a spark transmitter suddenly turns into
an Alexanderson Alternator whenever it is brought up in an amateur
radio newsgroup.

That's your game, Len.

What's your game, Jim?

What's your interest in knowing, Brain? Even if he tells you,
it's unlikely you'd understand.

Steve, K4YZ


I think I already know and understand Jim's game. He built an
Elecraft kit, then professes to have engineered and built his own
amateur station.



You DO seem to have a problem with the thought process.
Sure, Jim recently did buy and build a K2 kit. But what
you missed, among many other important points, was that
he has always clearly stated that it WAS a kit project,
not to be confused with the *several* project stations that
he has designed and built, and USED ON THE AIR over his
near-40 years as a ham.

But then, that's what we've learned to expect from you.

Was there ever any doubt, Dick? Can we expect anything less from
a dweeb who can proudly lay claim to looking up to a known
pathological liar as his "mentor"...?!?!

What an idiot he is. As if I NEEDED to have my suspicions
verified...

If nothing ELSE would have clued Sir Clueless in, it would have
been the fact that Jim has been discussing his other projects for
years...

Of course The Clueless One only tries to scan through posts long
enough to pick up key words he's looking for and ignores the rest.

73

Steve, K4YZ

In article ,
(Brian) writes:

He built an
Elecraft kit, then professes to have engineered and built his own
amateur station.

Wrong.

I've done both. In fact, I designed and built several stations before ever
hearing of Elecraft.

Let's see...

I've built-from-scratch (no kits, no carbon copies of other homebrew) in my
home workshops, at least:

5 receivers
5 transmitters
3 transceivers
4 transmatches
12 power supplies
4 TR systems
5 pieces of test equipment
various shack furniture, antennas, power cables, control systems, etc.

The above list does not include:

- surplus units converted/restored
- manufactured equipment restored/repaired/modified
- kits built or rebuilt

I've worked several of the regulars here on rrap using my homebrew rigs.

I can often be found on or around 7040.

Pictures and descriptions of a receiver I built for about $10 back in the early
1970s are on the HBR website. It's only one in a long line.

N2EY wrote:


I've built-from-scratch (no kits, no carbon copies of other homebrew) in my
home workshops, at least:

5 receivers
5 transmitters
3 transceivers
4 transmatches
12 power supplies
4 TR systems
5 pieces of test equipment
various shack furniture, antennas, power cables, control systems, etc.

The above list does not include:

- surplus units converted/restored
- manufactured equipment restored/repaired/modified
- kits built or rebuilt

I've worked several of the regulars here on rrap using my homebrew rigs.

I can often be found on or around 7040.

This is incredibly bizzare! Having to defend one's hombrewing as
defined by what one has designed and built.

Its all good, whether building an Elecraft kit or designing your own
radio; modding a surplus unit or etching your own circuit boards.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:


I've built-from-scratch (no kits, no carbon copies of other homebrew) in my
home workshops, at least:

5 receivers
5 transmitters

Actually, 6 transmitters. All but the first two include VFOs.

3 transceivers
4 transmatches
12 power supplies
4 TR systems
5 pieces of test equipment
various shack furniture, antennas, power cables, control systems, etc.

The above list does not include:

- surplus units converted/restored
- manufactured equipment restored/repaired/modified
- kits built or rebuilt

I've worked several of the regulars here on rrap using my homebrew rigs.

I can often be found on or around 7040.

This is incredibly bizzare!

Most of what Brian Burke writes here is bizarre. In this case, though, he's
simply wrong about my homebrewing.

Having to defend one's hombrewing as
defined by what one has designed and built.

My homebrewing speaks for itself, as anyone who has worked me on-the-air knows.
I currently have two HF transceivers fully operational at the present time:
Elecraft K2 #2084 and the Southgate Type 7. I also have some of my older
homebrew projects in storage.

The Type 7 is almost ten years old now, while the K2 was assembled in the
spring of 2001.

I define "homebrew" as "built from scratch". That includes everything from
carbon-copy stuff like the G2DAF sets to one-of-a-kind
designed-from-a-blank-sheet-of-paper projects. "Homebrew" does not include kit
assembly, surplus conversion (unless it's so extensive that it's really a new
project, as in "Cheap and Easy SSB"), or restoration/repair/modification.

Its all good, whether building an Elecraft kit or designing your own
radio; modding a surplus unit or etching your own circuit boards.

I agree 100%! It's ALL good - but it's not all homebrew.

Heck, some restorations require more skill, knowledge and effort than an
equivalent homebrew because the restorer wants to match the original exactly,
where the homebrew *is* the original.

My particular specialty in homebrew is to reuse "found objects" rather than buy
new parts - mostly to save money, but also because some parts are almost
impossible to find new. There's also the consideration of not wasting usable
parts.

How can we claim that amateur radio is a "fundamentally technical radio
service" if we all use only manufactured radios?

73 de Jim, N2EY

N2EY wrote:

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


N2EY wrote:



I've built-from-scratch (no kits, no carbon copies of other homebrew) in my
home workshops, at least:

5 receivers
5 transmitters


Actually, 6 transmitters. All but the first two include VFOs.


3 transceivers
4 transmatches
12 power supplies
4 TR systems
5 pieces of test equipment
various shack furniture, antennas, power cables, control systems, etc.

The above list does not include:

- surplus units converted/restored
- manufactured equipment restored/repaired/modified
- kits built or rebuilt

I've worked several of the regulars here on rrap using my homebrew rigs.

I can often be found on or around 7040.

This is incredibly bizzare!


Most of what Brian Burke writes here is bizarre. In this case, though, he's
simply wrong about my homebrewing.


Having to defend one's hombrewing as
defined by what one has designed and built.


My homebrewing speaks for itself, as anyone who has worked me on-the-air knows.
I currently have two HF transceivers fully operational at the present time:
Elecraft K2 #2084 and the Southgate Type 7. I also have some of my older
homebrew projects in storage.

The Type 7 is almost ten years old now, while the K2 was assembled in the
spring of 2001.

I define "homebrew" as "built from scratch". That includes everything from
carbon-copy stuff like the G2DAF sets to one-of-a-kind
designed-from-a-blank-sheet-of-paper projects. "Homebrew" does not include kit
assembly, surplus conversion (unless it's so extensive that it's really a new
project, as in "Cheap and Easy SSB"), or restoration/repair/modification.

Its all good, whether building an Elecraft kit or designing your own
radio; modding a surplus unit or etching your own circuit boards.


I agree 100%! It's ALL good - but it's not all homebrew.

Well, there is a big gray area there. I've modified some equipment prett
extensively, and used some self designed circuitry in it, so I'm not
sure what to by your def. That's okay, as long as I get to smell that
rosin core solder smoke!

Heck, some restorations require more skill, knowledge and effort than an
equivalent homebrew because the restorer wants to match the original exactly,
where the homebrew *is* the original.

I'm restoring an SB-200 right now. And it just got harder because I
can't get the green/gray crinkle paint anymore. The place that sold it
doesn't sell it any more. 8^(

Anyone here know of a source of this paint, or better yet, how to
homebrew crinkle paint? I've heard of painting on a case fresh out of a
hot oven, but I have XYL, safety, and consistency problems with that.
Theres no way I could get a whole SB200 case painted before the
temperature dropped too moch to crinkle it. And the wife certainly isn't
too keen on my putting things in the oven, after what I did to it while
making a telescope. And how safe is spraying solvents on a hot aluminnum
surface? 8^)

My particular specialty in homebrew is to reuse "found objects" rather than buy
new parts - mostly to save money, but also because some parts are almost
impossible to find new. There's also the consideration of not wasting usable
parts.

Yup, I get old equipment, tear it apart and file the stuff away in boxes.

Appeals to basic guy stuff like reusing things, and tearing stuff apart.

How can we claim that amateur radio is a "fundamentally technical radio
service" if we all use only manufactured radios?

Agreed.

- Mike KB3EIA -

(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

Yet another example of emulating your pathological liar mentor, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

Stebe is my mentor.

Not likely. I don't do Special Ed cases, Brain.

Sorry.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(Brian) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

Yet another example of emulating your pathological liar mentor, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

Stebe is my mentor.

Not likely. I don't do Special Ed cases, Brain.

Sorry.

Steve, K4YZ

Where's Dann Finn? PCTADS?

Even the FCC gave waivers.

You're still my mentor, Stebe, like it or not.

Dick Carroll wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

N2EY wrote:


I've built-from-scratch (no kits, no carbon copies of other homebrew)
in my
home workshops, at least:

5 receivers
5 transmitters
3 transceivers
4 transmatches
12 power supplies
4 TR systems
5 pieces of test equipment
various shack furniture, antennas, power cables, control systems, etc.

The above list does not include:

- surplus units converted/restored - manufactured equipment
restored/repaired/modified
- kits built or rebuilt

I've worked several of the regulars here on rrap using my homebrew rigs.
I can often be found on or around 7040.



This is incredibly bizzare!





Yeah, the NoCode Agenda can get to be a bit bizzare, all right. Between
all the "Luddite!" Mantra - while it's *WE*, the coded, who are actully
active with the modern digital nodes, then their version of Morse Myths,
Morsedists Religion, NCVEC's "vision of the future" ....... snip

You have me wondering now Dick. I'm wondering what the ratio of NCTA
homebrewers to PCTA homebrewers is?

Whereas a person that does not hombrew (by my more expansive definition
as compared to Jim's) is not necessarily a technical nincompoop, those
who do homebrew are arguably more "into" the Ham experience than those
who do not.

I'll start this, and we'll see if people want to pick it up.

Jim is PCTA and has extensive homebrew experience.

I'm PCTA and have a good bit of experience, though nowhere near as
extensive as Jim does. I've done some design, and lots of rebuilding,
Mods and homemade keys and the like, and of course antennas.

Let's hear from both sides here.

- Mike KB3EIA -