In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. 5 1/2 days. Then, suddenly, "news" appears on
ARRL that Something Is Happening Out West...a bit over two
hours after I posted a No News Statement.

Somebody in Newington must have gone into the archives back
room and found an Almanac showing more than 48 states in
the USA. Wow! Discovery!

No problem on hurricanes...those are reported constantly after
NOAA puts out the word. Busy morose code users activate Nets
and Prepare For The Worst. This last one really had an impact
with all the "devestation" everywhere, didn't it?

Really "with it" news reporting from New England...

LHA

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.

Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW
as dessert.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?

ARRL is an EASTERN headquartered organization, more specifically
in the northeastern USA. ARRL doesn't seem to recognize that
MOST of the USA lives WEST of the Mississippi...including licensed
US radio amateurs.

I'm not "anti-ARRL." I'm just showing what they are and what they
are NOT. What they are NOT is NOT "representing ALL amateurs."

ARRL is eastern-oriented, almost obsessively so in concentration
east of the Mississippi. Not my problem. It's ARRL's problem.

Maybe that's why ARRL membership remains a minority of all
licensed US radio amateurs (only a quarter).

All the ARRL "represents" is its membership...but mostly it is the
executives and staff and board of directors of the ARRL that is
represented. Membership has to fall in line with that or be
excommunicated.

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

LHA

Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil
writes:


N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message

...

As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.


Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW
as dessert.


Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?


ARRL is an EASTERN headquartered organization, more specifically
in the northeastern USA. ARRL doesn't seem to recognize that
MOST of the USA lives WEST of the Mississippi...including licensed
US radio amateurs.

I'm not "anti-ARRL." I'm just showing what they are and what they
are NOT. What they are NOT is NOT "representing ALL amateurs."

ARRL is eastern-oriented, almost obsessively so in concentration
east of the Mississippi. Not my problem. It's ARRL's problem.

Maybe that's why ARRL membership remains a minority of all
licensed US radio amateurs (only a quarter).

All the ARRL "represents" is its membership...but mostly it is the
executives and staff and board of directors of the ARRL that is
represented. Membership has to fall in line with that or be
excommunicated.

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

LHA

Len, to kern an old phrase, "you don't know **** from Shinola". Now why
don't you go over to the cb group where you might find folks more down
on your lever?

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article , "charlesb"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...

Apparently "6-land" doesn't exist in the thinking of new englanders.

I'm sure they are like the rest of the country... We all know that
California is there - but we try not to dwell on it too much.

More than one tenth of ALL Americans live in California, dumbass.

Sorry, but you cannot count California's illegal immigrant population as
"Americans", though technically they are.

Moron.

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

"Jack Hamilton" wrote in message
...
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote:

"ARRL Sucks" wrote in message
...
The ARRL is a Yankee organization, run by Yankees
who think the center of the universe is New England.

Hams in Hawaii have been asking for years to have
QST bulk air-mailed to Hawaii, the same as all other
publishers do to ensure timely delivery. ARRL has
been farting off Hawaii hams for years. Screw the
League!

Aloha


The ARRL has contracted their publishing and do not do it themselves.
Perhaps you should contact the publisher/printer ?

The ARRL is ultimately responsible for the production and delivery of
their magazine, however much they may choose to contract out; the
printer will do whatever the ARRL will pay them to do, within reasonable
limits. It's the ARRL's decision.


--
Jack Hamilton



If men are to wait for liberty until they become wise and good in slavery,
they may indeed wait for ever.
- Lord MacCaulay

No it is not. The major problem is the Hawaii hams want first class service
and not have to pay for it. The block is actually with the postal service
who has contracted have all bulk mail to Hawaii sent by boat.

Dan/W4NTI

In article , JJ
writes:

Len, to kern an old phrase, "you don't know **** from Shinola". Now why
don't you go over to the cb group where you might find folks more down
on your lever?

"Kern?!?"

Who the hell are YOU, "JJ?" You one of them "knuckle-dragging
CB-plussers?"

You can REPEAT a phrase (write it verbatim) or make subtle
changes to PARAPHRASE it or you can invent a new phrase as
if to COIN it. "Kern" refers to particulars in the shape of type
fonts...you can kern a character's appearance but you CANNOT
kern a phrase.

ARRL doesn't pretend to represent any Citizens Band Radio Service
users. There's no license for CB in the USA. There has NEVER
been any test for CB ever, not once since it was created 45 years
ago. Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum.

ARRL pretends to "represent" all radio amateurs but all it REALLY
represents is the opinion of a minority in control of a minority
membership that has not exceeded a quarter of all licensed U. S.
radio amateurs.

LHA

Len under 21 wet his pants and wrote:

In article , JJ
writes:


Len, to kern an old phrase, "you don't know **** from Shinola". Now why
don't you go over to the cb group where you might find folks more down
on your lever?


"Kern?!?"

Who the hell are YOU, "JJ?" You one of them "knuckle-dragging
CB-plussers?"

You can REPEAT a phrase (write it verbatim) or make subtle
changes to PARAPHRASE it or you can invent a new phrase as
if to COIN it. "Kern" refers to particulars in the shape of type
fonts...you can kern a character's appearance but you CANNOT
kern a phrase.

ARRL doesn't pretend to represent any Citizens Band Radio Service
users. There's no license for CB in the USA. There has NEVER
been any test for CB ever, not once since it was created 45 years
ago. Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum.

ARRL pretends to "represent" all radio amateurs but all it REALLY
represents is the opinion of a minority in control of a minority
membership that has not exceeded a quarter of all licensed U. S.
radio amateurs.

LHA


I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?

"Kern" is the word Ed Norton use for coin in the "Honeymooners". My use
of it is just a valid as you saying "one of them" instead of "one of
those". Good grief you are dumb.

Why should the ARRL pretend to represent the CB Radio Service? It was
established to represent the Amateur operators long before CB ever came
into being. Who would want to represent the sewer pit of communication
that CB has become? Why would they want to represent a bunch of idiots
who haven't a clue as how to properly use radio communication, that
operate in a number of illegal ways and cause general havoc on the radio
spectrum. The ARRL should not touch CB with a 10 foot pole.

Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum

And there are a lot of other users of the HF spectrum that do not
require knowledge of Morse code. When it comes to the code issue the
subject is Amateur radio not the chicken band. So what's you point?

So who in the hell are you? Just another knuckle dragging dumb cber I
suppose. As I said, "you don't know **** from Shinola".

In article , JJ
writes:


I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?

I was on HF legally beginning in February 1953, a 1 KW BC-339,
one of 36 total transmitters at Army station ADA...increased to 43
by 1956. I got my first radio operator license from a single test at
an FCC field office in Chicago in March, 1956 (First Class
Radiotelephone).

I've never had, or tried to get, any amateur radio license. Mostly
because I've been a professional in radio-electronics for a half
century.

You know what? The FCC doesn't require any commissioners or
staff to have amateur radio licenses in order to MAKE regulations
concerning amateur radio. How about that!?

"Kern" is the word Ed Norton use for coin in the "Honeymooners". My use
of it is just a valid as you saying "one of them" instead of "one of
those". Good grief you are dumb.

The "Honeymooners" went OFF the air long ago. Jackie Gleason
left this world a long time ago. Not everyone was a fan of a New
York based TV show on CBS during the black and white years.

DOS Tip: Not everyone speaks in New Yorkese or Jerseyish or buys
"gaz" for his auto while in Philly.


And there are a lot of other users of the HF spectrum that do not
require knowledge of Morse code. When it comes to the code issue the
subject is Amateur radio not the chicken band. So what's you point?

The subject is NOT old black-and-white broadcast television, either.

So who in the hell are you? Just another knuckle dragging dumb cber I
suppose. As I said, "you don't know **** from Shinola".

Leonard H. Anderson

You want my mailing address? Look in the FCC ECFS for the 14
petitions for and against amateur radio code testing. You will find
my name and address and comments in there, at least two documents
per RM.

I don't work with feces and I don't make shoe polish. I'm a professional
in radio-electronics who has not hidden his identity.

YOU on the other hand, HIDE behind a couple letters and act tuff.
No USA database lists any "JJ" as the name of any licensed radio
amateur. Perhaps a foreign country might have it? :-)

Insufficient courage to reveal your identity "JJ?" Or are you going
to rationalize your gutless fear somehow?

LHA

Why should the ARRL pretend to represent the CB Radio Service? It was
established to represent the Amateur operators long before CB ever
came into being. Who would want to represent the sewer pit of
communication that CB has become? Why would they want to represent a
bunch of idiots who haven't a clue as how to properly use radio
communication, that operate in a number of illegal ways and cause
general havoc on the radio spectrum. The ARRL should not touch CB with
a 10 foot pole.

I wouldn't touch it with an 11 meter pole. :-)


Morse code was never, ever required in USA CB...and CB
does exist IN the HF spectrum

CB is not amateur, and one of the rules of the CB service is no
international comms.
Not that it's enforced......

"you don't know **** from Shinola".

Well, you can't polish a turd...... ;-)

Len over 21 wet his pants again and blathered:

In article , JJ
writes:



I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?


I was on HF legally beginning in February 1953, a 1 KW BC-339,
one of 36 total transmitters at Army station ADA...increased to 43
by 1956. I got my first radio operator license from a single test at
an FCC field office in Chicago in March, 1956 (First Class
Radiotelephone).

And that has nothing to do with amateur radio. There were/are lots of
military radio operators operating military HF gear.


I've never had, or tried to get, any amateur radio license. Mostly
because I've been a professional in radio-electronics for a half
century.

You know what? The FCC doesn't require any commissioners or
staff to have amateur radio licenses in order to MAKE regulations
concerning amateur radio. How about that!?

And your point is?


"Kern" is the word Ed Norton use for coin in the "Honeymooners". My use
of it is just a valid as you saying "one of them" instead of "one of
those". Good grief you are dumb.


The "Honeymooners" went OFF the air long ago. Jackie Gleason
left this world a long time ago. Not everyone was a fan of a New
York based TV show on CBS during the black and white years.

DOS Tip: Not everyone speaks in New Yorkese or Jerseyish or buys
"gaz" for his auto while in Philly.



And there are a lot of other users of the HF spectrum that do not
require knowledge of Morse code. When it comes to the code issue the
subject is Amateur radio not the chicken band. So what's you point?


The subject is NOT old black-and-white broadcast television, either.


So who in the hell are you? Just another knuckle dragging dumb cber I
suppose. As I said, "you don't know **** from Shinola".


Leonard H. Anderson

You want my mailing address? Look in the FCC ECFS for the 14
petitions for and against amateur radio code testing. You will find
my name and address and comments in there, at least two documents
per RM.

I don't work with feces and I don't make shoe polish. I'm a professional
in radio-electronics who has not hidden his identity.

A turd is a turd is a turd.


YOU on the other hand, HIDE behind a couple letters and act tuff.
No USA database lists any "JJ" as the name of any licensed radio
amateur. Perhaps a foreign country might have it? :-)

Insufficient courage to reveal your identity "JJ?" Or are you going
to rationalize your gutless fear somehow?

LHA

Since you do not hold an amateur radio operator's license nor seem to
care about ever getting one, what business is it of yours if the amateur
service has code testing or not? So what is your purpose for all the
petitions on amateur testing? You seem to think it is strange that the
FCC does not require those making rules concerning amateur radio to hold
an amateur license, yet you, without holding an amateur radio license,
can file petitons concerning amateur radio. How about that? Since you
seem to have such a hard on about the amateur radio service, of which
you are not even a member, why do you even bother? Why does it bother
you about what the ARRL is doing, or if the hams are or aren't handling
emergency comms in Calif. Perhaps you are just one of those types who
sticks your nose into things that don't concern you just to stir the
pot, or perhaps you can't pass the test for a license.