SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX010
ARLX010 Amateurs Aid Agencies in California Fire Emergency

ZCZC AX10
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 10 ARLX010
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT October 28, 2003
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX010
ARLX010 Amateurs Aid Agencies in California Fire Emergency

Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) and Radio Amateur Civil
Emergency Service (RACES) teams are assisting local authorities and
relief organizations as fire has burned more than 500,000 acres in
southern California. Authorities report 11 separate fires have
erupted and more than a dozen people have died.

ARRL San Diego Section Manager Kent Tiburski, K6FQ, estimated that
about 100 ham ARES and RACES volunteers are participating in his
section, where most of the fatalities took place. Amateurs are
supporting the Red Cross and The Salvation Army and staffing six
shelters throughout San Diego county. Additional hams have deployed
to San Diego-area emergency management offices and hospitals.

Communication is mainly taking place on VHF. The San Diego ARES Net
has been activated on 7.233 MHz with 3.905 MHz as a backup. The
Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Network (SATERN) also has been
using 7.233 MHz as a coordinating frequency.

San Diego-Area SATERN Coordinator Paul Cook, N6RPF, reports that
SATERN has helped with communication for a number of busy canteens
in the San Diego area.

In San Bernardino County, Orange SM Carl Gardenias, WU6D, said ARES
volunteers have been supporting emergency communication in the
county.

ARRL Los Angeles SM Phineas Icenbice, W6BF, reports ARES members
from his section have been assisting volunteers in the Orange and
San Diego Sections. Los Angeles SEC Dennis Smith, KA6GSE, says ARES
volunteers from the section also are helping at Red Cross shelters
in LA.
NNNN
/EX

"JJ" wrote in message
...
Len over 21 wet his pants again and blathered:

In article , JJ

writes:



I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?


I was on HF legally beginning in February 1953, a 1 KW BC-339,
one of 36 total transmitters at Army station ADA...increased to 43
by 1956. I got my first radio operator license from a single test at
an FCC field office in Chicago in March, 1956 (First Class
Radiotelephone).

And that has nothing to do with amateur radio. There were/are lots of
military radio operators operating military HF gear.


I've never had, or tried to get, any amateur radio license. Mostly
because I've been a professional in radio-electronics for a half
century.

You know what? The FCC doesn't require any commissioners or
staff to have amateur radio licenses in order to MAKE regulations
concerning amateur radio. How about that!?

And your point is?


"Kern" is the word Ed Norton use for coin in the "Honeymooners". My use
of it is just a valid as you saying "one of them" instead of "one of
those". Good grief you are dumb.


The "Honeymooners" went OFF the air long ago. Jackie Gleason
left this world a long time ago. Not everyone was a fan of a New
York based TV show on CBS during the black and white years.

DOS Tip: Not everyone speaks in New Yorkese or Jerseyish or buys
"gaz" for his auto while in Philly.



And there are a lot of other users of the HF spectrum that do not
require knowledge of Morse code. When it comes to the code issue the
subject is Amateur radio not the chicken band. So what's you point?


The subject is NOT old black-and-white broadcast television, either.


So who in the hell are you? Just another knuckle dragging dumb cber I
suppose. As I said, "you don't know **** from Shinola".


Leonard H. Anderson

You want my mailing address? Look in the FCC ECFS for the 14
petitions for and against amateur radio code testing. You will find
my name and address and comments in there, at least two documents
per RM.

I don't work with feces and I don't make shoe polish. I'm a
professional
in radio-electronics who has not hidden his identity.

A turd is a turd is a turd.


YOU on the other hand, HIDE behind a couple letters and act tuff.
No USA database lists any "JJ" as the name of any licensed radio
amateur. Perhaps a foreign country might have it? :-)

Insufficient courage to reveal your identity "JJ?" Or are you going
to rationalize your gutless fear somehow?

LHA

Since you do not hold an amateur radio operator's license nor seem to
care about ever getting one, what business is it of yours if the amateur
service has code testing or not? So what is your purpose for all the
petitions on amateur testing? You seem to think it is strange that the
FCC does not require those making rules concerning amateur radio to hold
an amateur license, yet you, without holding an amateur radio license,
can file petitons concerning amateur radio. How about that? Since you
seem to have such a hard on about the amateur radio service, of which
you are not even a member, why do you even bother? Why does it bother
you about what the ARRL is doing, or if the hams are or aren't handling
emergency comms in Calif. Perhaps you are just one of those types who
sticks your nose into things that don't concern you just to stir the
pot, or perhaps you can't pass the test for a license.


JJ,

In a language LHA can understand (assuming he actually was in the
military).......He is a DIP****, or in Naval speak....he is a BLIVIT.

Dan/W4NTI

Poor Lennie....caught in ANOTHER LIE.

Dan/W4NTI

"charlesb" wrote in message
.. .
SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX010
ARLX010 Amateurs Aid Agencies in California Fire Emergency

ZCZC AX10
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 10 ARLX010
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT October 28, 2003
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX010
ARLX010 Amateurs Aid Agencies in California Fire Emergency

Amateur Radio Emergency Service (ARES) and Radio Amateur Civil
Emergency Service (RACES) teams are assisting local authorities and
relief organizations as fire has burned more than 500,000 acres in
southern California. Authorities report 11 separate fires have
erupted and more than a dozen people have died.

ARRL San Diego Section Manager Kent Tiburski, K6FQ, estimated that
about 100 ham ARES and RACES volunteers are participating in his
section, where most of the fatalities took place. Amateurs are
supporting the Red Cross and The Salvation Army and staffing six
shelters throughout San Diego county. Additional hams have deployed
to San Diego-area emergency management offices and hospitals.

Communication is mainly taking place on VHF. The San Diego ARES Net
has been activated on 7.233 MHz with 3.905 MHz as a backup. The
Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Network (SATERN) also has been
using 7.233 MHz as a coordinating frequency.

San Diego-Area SATERN Coordinator Paul Cook, N6RPF, reports that
SATERN has helped with communication for a number of busy canteens
in the San Diego area.

In San Bernardino County, Orange SM Carl Gardenias, WU6D, said ARES
volunteers have been supporting emergency communication in the
county.

ARRL Los Angeles SM Phineas Icenbice, W6BF, reports ARES members
from his section have been assisting volunteers in the Orange and
San Diego Sections. Los Angeles SEC Dennis Smith, KA6GSE, says ARES
volunteers from the section also are helping at Red Cross shelters
in LA.
NNNN
/EX

In article . net, "Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

Poor Lennie....caught in ANOTHER LIE.

Dan/W4NTI

No Dannie boy, NOT a "lie." Go back a day to message that
started this thread. ARRL had NO mention of the already-
widespread California firestorms up to 1 PM EST.

Have you learned to READ yet? Or are you still unable to
cope with reality?

LHA

In article . net, "Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

JJ,

In a language LHA can understand (assuming he actually was in the
military).......He is a DIP****, or in Naval speak....he is a BLIVIT.

Dan/W4NTI

Poor Dan. We still haven't found the right replacement parts to
fix his stupid.

You need confirmation of my U. S. military service, Dannie?
Contact NARA in St. Louis (National Archives and Records Agency).
It's all there. Have them search for Army serial number RA16408336
beginning March 13, 1952.

LHA

In article , "charlesb"
writes:

SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX010
ARLX010 Amateurs Aid Agencies in California Fire Emergency

ZCZC AX10
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 10 ARLX010
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT October 28, 2003
To all radio amateurs

That "news copy" was on the ARRL website opening page.

There is NO corroboration of that information with any other
commercial news service.

ARRL is NOT a news service despite play-acting as if they were.

If the ARRL was a news service, they would have put that
information out at least four days before the 27th of October,
AFTER the wildfires had begun and weather reports indicating
ideal wildfire conditions.

All the ARRL news seems to be AFTER-the-fact "reporting,"

LHA

In article , JJ fearful anonymous
writes:


In article , JJ

writes:

I have been a ham for over 40 years, so how long have you been one?

I don't think so. You don't identify yourself.

You could be LYING.

No identification. You could be anything...and nothing.

I was on HF legally beginning in February 1953, a 1 KW BC-339,
one of 36 total transmitters at Army station ADA...increased to 43
by 1956. I got my first radio operator license from a single test at
an FCC field office in Chicago in March, 1956 (First Class
Radiotelephone).

And that has nothing to do with amateur radio. There were/are lots of
military radio operators operating military HF gear.

ALL radios work by the SAME principles of physics.

Electrons, fields, and waves don't work "differently" if some
humans establish a radio service.


I've never had, or tried to get, any amateur radio license. Mostly
because I've been a professional in radio-electronics for a half
century.

You know what? The FCC doesn't require any commissioners or
staff to have amateur radio licenses in order to MAKE regulations
concerning amateur radio. How about that!?

And your point is?

Obvious to those who can think.

Those who REGULATE U. S. amateur radio are NOT required
to be granted any amateur radio license.

You don' tsee the point?

Pity those unable to think.

The FCC does NOT sanctify any fraternal orders/organizations.
You are acting like the U. S. ARS is a fraternal order, all
"answerable to the ARS community" and all that folderol.

ARRL is a fraternal order of sorts. ARRL does NOT regulate
U. S. amateur radio. Never did.


Since you do not hold an amateur radio operator's license nor seem to
care about ever getting one, what business is it of yours if the amateur
service has code testing or not?

What "business" is it of yours, anonymous entity?

So what is your purpose for all the
petitions on amateur testing?

You must have been away, far away from here if you don't know.

I'm advocating the elimination of ALL morse code TESTING.

Retention of code TESTING is just a constant dumbing down to
standards and practices in all communications of seven
decades ago.

Why do you wish to keep the U. S. amateur radio service
dumbed down to ancient methods of communications?

You seem to think it is strange that the
FCC does not require those making rules concerning amateur radio to hold
an amateur license, yet you, without holding an amateur radio license,
can file petitons concerning amateur radio.

ANYONE can file a petition with the FCC if they show good
cause for a petition's existance. Whether or not such a petition
is made an "RM" and put on the public record for comment is
up to the FCC, not you, anonymous one. [FCC will not accept
anonymity[

I have NOT filed any petition. I HAVE made Comments. That is
within my rights under the United States Constitution. Ever hear
of that document? It's a pretty good document. Read it some time.

How about that?

How about what? Are you an advocate of abrogating the First
Amendment of the United States Constitution, anonymous one?

Since you
seem to have such a hard on about the amateur radio service, of which
you are not even a member, why do you even bother?

Radio has NO sexual appeal to me. Apparently it does to you.

Have you seen a mental health professional about your strange
desire?

Why does it bother
you about what the ARRL is doing, or if the hams are or aren't handling
emergency comms in Calif.

ARRL is a membership organization based in the U.S. northeast.
It has a MINORITY membership among all the licensed U.S. radio
amateurs. ARRL is also a political special-interest group with a
lobbyist firm and a DC legal firm on retainer.

I accuse ARRL of favoring regional northeastern interests and being
hypocritical over their ACTUAL "representation" of amateur radio.

Why do you wish control over who can say what in the USA?

Are you in favor of dictatorship? You must be from the way you
talk-type in here.

Perhaps you are just one of those types who
sticks your nose into things that don't concern you just to stir the
pot, or perhaps you can't pass the test for a license.

Perhaps you need an attitude adjustment. A SERIOUS adjustment.

I'm NOT interested in joining any Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society.

All you've done so far is to target an individual with an ateempt at
personal attack. The subject is the geographic provinchialism of
the ARRL which is a political special-interest group.

You continue to hide behind a pseudonym. Why are you afraid?

LHA

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...

That "news copy" was on the ARRL website opening page.

There is NO corroboration of that information with any other
commercial news service.

Gee, what an ignorant asshole!

Charles Brabham, N5PVL

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(N2EY) writes:

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. 5 1/2 days. Then, suddenly, "news" appears on
ARRL that Something Is Happening Out West...a bit over two
hours after I posted a No News Statement.

It is obvious that someone from HQ--probably that pesky Ed Hare--saw
your post and quickly threw something together for the ARRL web site,
just to make you look silly.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.

Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel. Learn to READ English.

Temper, temper, kindly old timer. What are you, some kind of CONTROL
freak?

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

That's right. They had NOTHING. Yet a could of hours later, they had
SOMETHING. SOMETHING.

Go "munch" someone else's shoes, preferrably some CROW
as dessert.

I'm not the one who took the potshot at amateur radio and the ARRL only
to have it blow up in his face.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?

ARRL is an EASTERN headquartered organization, more specifically
in the northeastern USA.

There are many WESTERN headquartered organizations. Is it your opinion
that all organizations should be headquartered near the center of
population? If not, why the fuss?

ARRL doesn't seem to recognize that
MOST of the USA lives WEST of the Mississippi...including licensed
US radio amateurs.

It doesn't seem that way to me. Directors are representative of the
areas in which they live. Why should you be concerned? You aren't
involved with the ARRL.

I'm not "anti-ARRL."

Your frequent statements about the League would indicate otherwise.
Would you care to see a few of them googled up?

I'm just showing what they are and what they
are NOT. What they are NOT is NOT "representing ALL amateurs."

How are you "showing" anything? You aren't involved.

ARRL is eastern-oriented, almost obsessively so in concentration
east of the Mississippi. Not my problem. It's ARRL's problem.

No, your errors are your problem. You've gone from making statements
about an EASTERN headquarted organization to stating that the ARRL is
eastern-oriented. You keep trying to make an issue of something which
is not an issue.

Maybe that's why ARRL membership remains a minority of all
licensed US radio amateurs (only a quarter).

Only a quarter? What other amateur radio organization has more than a
fraction of that number making up its membership?

All the ARRL "represents" is its membership...but mostly it is the
executives and staff and board of directors of the ARRL that is
represented.

AARP claims to represent retirees. The American Legion claims to
represent veterans. Labor unions claim to represent workers. The NAACP
claims to represent colored people.

Membership has to fall in line with that or be
excommunicated.

If those words came from anyone else, I'd say that they were an error.
Since they come from you, I say they're a deliberate untruth.

To bad about your demotion in the United States Morse Codists
(USMC). You deserved it, though. Enjoy.

Take your lithium.

Dave K8MN