I am gonna stab myself in the foot for this one before any of you all want
to, but what I think Lennie is trying to get at, is that nowhere in the
media has amateur radio taken any form of the spotlight on this event. I
was sick for the past six or seven days and spent alot of time home watching
tv between resting. Nowhere did I see anything mentioned about ham radio.

On a positive note, this would have been a great example of showing how
valuable ham radio is supposed to be. It wouldn't cost the arrl much to send
press releases of this to the major networks, Hell, I chip in for the stamps
if that is the case!!!!!! Remember, a good defense is a good offense! (
arrl claims to "defend" amateur radio)


This is one of those one in a million times I would even vaguely come close
to agreeing with Lennie the License-less. I think I am gonna have
nightmares now!



--
Ryan KC8PMX

Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
link.net...

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
"Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

All the ARRL news seems to be AFTER-the-fact "reporting,"

LHA

Thats what makes the ARRL a legitimate news source for Amateur Radio
information.

So...you are saying that ALL amateur radio information is always
late?

Whatever happened to the National Traffic System? You know,
those dittyboppers still thinking that "CW" is the bestest thing
since sliced bread?

CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC are covering the California
Firestorms in real time, "live" as you civilian non-broadcasters
call it. Have ANY of those TV news services "covered" anything of
amateur radio emergency/disaster teams heroically working to
aid the public? When and where did they "work" that scene?

Feel free to report all tha news in a month, long after containment.

Not like CNN, which I am SURE you watch, that makes it up as
they go.

17 dead, over 1500 homes destroyed, over a million acres burned
(over 800 square miles), over $2 Billion in damages, and firestorms
are still raging in two major areas. One of NBC's remote vans got
caught in the fire and destroyed, crew (Chuck Henry at the mike)
saved by a fire crew. Live, on-air courtesy of another TV crew.

Hardly "making it up as they go along."

...and all you can do is mean-mouth individuals that don't love,
honor, and cherish morsemanship?

LHA

Poor Poor Lennie, he is getting worse and worse. He fails to comprehend
that professional news reporters get paid, and by golly, its their job.

The ARRL is more interested in compilling the events and accuratly
reporting
the information to the amateur community. Not you Lennie, since you not
a
licensed operator.

And of course the ham operators are not in the news. They hardly ever
are.
Real emergency operators don't seek publicity. They are there to do a job
and don't have time for talking with paid reporters. They are much too
busy
trying to save lives.

As for your 'swipe' at the National Traffic System. It is fine and going
strong Lennie. I operate both SSB and CW sessions on a nightly basis.
Not
to mention my Military Affiliate Radio System networks.

Tell me Lennie....what do you contribute to your community and nation?

Dan/W4NTI

The ARRL leaves that up to the local Public Information Officers. These are
un-elected positions within the section.

The ball was dropped apparantly, or they were just too busy to bother.
Then after the event, the press isn't interested.

It's been like that for years. I agree...we need to start blowing our own
horns.

Dan/W4NTI

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
I am gonna stab myself in the foot for this one before any of you all want
to, but what I think Lennie is trying to get at, is that nowhere in the
media has amateur radio taken any form of the spotlight on this event. I
was sick for the past six or seven days and spent alot of time home
watching
tv between resting. Nowhere did I see anything mentioned about ham radio.

On a positive note, this would have been a great example of showing how
valuable ham radio is supposed to be. It wouldn't cost the arrl much to
send
press releases of this to the major networks, Hell, I chip in for the
stamps
if that is the case!!!!!! Remember, a good defense is a good offense!
(
arrl claims to "defend" amateur radio)


This is one of those one in a million times I would even vaguely come
close
to agreeing with Lennie the License-less. I think I am gonna have
nightmares now!



--
Ryan KC8PMX

Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
link.net...

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
"Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

All the ARRL news seems to be AFTER-the-fact "reporting,"

LHA

Thats what makes the ARRL a legitimate news source for Amateur Radio
information.

So...you are saying that ALL amateur radio information is always
late?

Whatever happened to the National Traffic System? You know,
those dittyboppers still thinking that "CW" is the bestest thing
since sliced bread?

CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC are covering the California
Firestorms in real time, "live" as you civilian non-broadcasters
call it. Have ANY of those TV news services "covered" anything of
amateur radio emergency/disaster teams heroically working to
aid the public? When and where did they "work" that scene?

Feel free to report all tha news in a month, long after
containment.

Not like CNN, which I am SURE you watch, that makes it up as
they go.

17 dead, over 1500 homes destroyed, over a million acres burned
(over 800 square miles), over $2 Billion in damages, and
firestorms
are still raging in two major areas. One of NBC's remote vans got
caught in the fire and destroyed, crew (Chuck Henry at the mike)
saved by a fire crew. Live, on-air courtesy of another TV crew.

Hardly "making it up as they go along."

...and all you can do is mean-mouth individuals that don't love,
honor, and cherish morsemanship?

LHA

Poor Poor Lennie, he is getting worse and worse. He fails to
comprehend
that professional news reporters get paid, and by golly, its their job.

The ARRL is more interested in compilling the events and accuratly
reporting
the information to the amateur community. Not you Lennie, since you
not
a
licensed operator.

And of course the ham operators are not in the news. They hardly ever
are.
Real emergency operators don't seek publicity. They are there to do a
job
and don't have time for talking with paid reporters. They are much too
busy
trying to save lives.

As for your 'swipe' at the National Traffic System. It is fine and
going
strong Lennie. I operate both SSB and CW sessions on a nightly basis.
Not
to mention my Military Affiliate Radio System networks.

Tell me Lennie....what do you contribute to your community and nation?

Dan/W4NTI

Ryan, KC8PMX wrote:
I am gonna stab myself in the foot for this one before any of you all want
to, but what I think Lennie is trying to get at, is that nowhere in the
media has amateur radio taken any form of the spotlight on this event. I
was sick for the past six or seven days and spent alot of time home watching
tv between resting. Nowhere did I see anything mentioned about ham radio.

That dosen't mean that the hams were not involved. I would wager that
there were/are a lot of other volunteer orginizations involved also that
did not see any spotlite.

On a positive note, this would have been a great example of showing how
valuable ham radio is supposed to be. It wouldn't cost the arrl much to send
press releases of this to the major networks, Hell, I chip in for the stamps
if that is the case!!!!!! Remember, a good defense is a good offense! (
arrl claims to "defend" amateur radio)


This is one of those one in a million times I would even vaguely come close
to agreeing with Lennie the License-less. I think I am gonna have
nightmares now!

I saw on the news the other day, some homeland defense official (can't
recall who it was), was saying that they plan on making use of the
thousands of ham radio operators as part of homeland defense.

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
k.net...
The ARRL leaves that up to the local Public Information Officers. These
are
un-elected positions within the section.

The ball was dropped apparantly, or they were just too busy to bother.
Then after the event, the press isn't interested.

It's been like that for years. I agree...we need to start blowing our
own
horns.

Dan/W4NTI


We all can work with our local (within state) media outlets as either a club
function or as an individual when our local groups are doing cool stuff or
good things. We still could use the positive exposure when it comes to
larger scale events like the wildfires or similar from the larger media
outlets such as the press, and of course the large networks like CBS, ABC,
NBC, FOX, MSNBC, CNN (and whatever other initials we can come up with.
There inlies the need for a group, large in scale, allegedly like the Arrl,
to do press releases or build contacts within the media etc. Groups like
the arrl have the alleged clout and size to catch the attention of the
larger media outlets.

Doing a comparison with another group that I am guessing that a good
percentage of the group here is eligible for..... AARP! More people know a
heck of alot more about the AARP than the ARRL..... And both are important
to both groups.



--
Ryan KC8PMX

Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.






"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
I am gonna stab myself in the foot for this one before any of you all
want
to, but what I think Lennie is trying to get at, is that nowhere in the
media has amateur radio taken any form of the spotlight on this event.
I
was sick for the past six or seven days and spent alot of time home
watching
tv between resting. Nowhere did I see anything mentioned about ham
radio.

On a positive note, this would have been a great example of showing how
valuable ham radio is supposed to be. It wouldn't cost the arrl much to
send
press releases of this to the major networks, Hell, I chip in for the
stamps
if that is the case!!!!!! Remember, a good defense is a good offense!
(
arrl claims to "defend" amateur radio)


This is one of those one in a million times I would even vaguely come
close
to agreeing with Lennie the License-less. I think I am gonna have
nightmares now!



--
Ryan KC8PMX

Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but
you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
link.net...

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
"Dan/W4NTI"
w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

All the ARRL news seems to be AFTER-the-fact "reporting,"

LHA

Thats what makes the ARRL a legitimate news source for Amateur
Radio
information.

So...you are saying that ALL amateur radio information is always
late?

Whatever happened to the National Traffic System? You know,
those dittyboppers still thinking that "CW" is the bestest thing
since sliced bread?

CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC are covering the California
Firestorms in real time, "live" as you civilian non-broadcasters
call it. Have ANY of those TV news services "covered" anything
of
amateur radio emergency/disaster teams heroically working to
aid the public? When and where did they "work" that scene?

Feel free to report all tha news in a month, long after
containment.

Not like CNN, which I am SURE you watch, that makes it up as
they go.

17 dead, over 1500 homes destroyed, over a million acres burned
(over 800 square miles), over $2 Billion in damages, and
firestorms
are still raging in two major areas. One of NBC's remote vans
got
caught in the fire and destroyed, crew (Chuck Henry at the mike)
saved by a fire crew. Live, on-air courtesy of another TV crew.

Hardly "making it up as they go along."

...and all you can do is mean-mouth individuals that don't love,
honor, and cherish morsemanship?

LHA

Poor Poor Lennie, he is getting worse and worse. He fails to
comprehend
that professional news reporters get paid, and by golly, its their
job.

The ARRL is more interested in compilling the events and accuratly
reporting
the information to the amateur community. Not you Lennie, since you
not
a
licensed operator.

And of course the ham operators are not in the news. They hardly ever
are.
Real emergency operators don't seek publicity. They are there to do a
job
and don't have time for talking with paid reporters. They are much
too
busy
trying to save lives.

As for your 'swipe' at the National Traffic System. It is fine and
going
strong Lennie. I operate both SSB and CW sessions on a nightly basis.
Not
to mention my Military Affiliate Radio System networks.

Tell me Lennie....what do you contribute to your community and nation?

Dan/W4NTI

If ya remember, post something about that here if you can.


--
Ryan KC8PMX

Why is it one careless match can start a forest fire, but
it takes a whole box to start a barbecue?


I saw on the news the other day, some homeland defense official (can't
recall who it was), was saying that they plan on making use of the
thousands of ham radio operators as part of homeland defense.

On 28 Oct 2003 04:35:14 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

As of 1 PM EST on the 27th of October the ARRL website news
page had NOTHING about the California wildfires. NOTHING.

Why would you depend on the ARRL website for "up to the minute" news
when there are literally thousands of other news sources available;
TV, radio, newspapers, the internet. The LA Times incidently also has
a website of their own.

Let's see. There's the Fire Incident Headquarters, based out of
Idaho, they have a website that updates page viewers on the progress
of every conceivable fire in the United States, which the national
media uses for a source of information on reporting fires.

The ARRL never mentions anything about the dozen Western states that
are burning every summer for months on end. No big deal. Pick up a
newspaper, turn a radio or TV on, or log on to the net, you can get
far better results from thousands of sources at your disposal rather
than trying to make this whole thing a non-issue of bashing the ARRL
which you're not a member or.

I'm a member of the ARRL, and the last source of general breaking news
I come to rely on is the ARRL.

Stacey/AA7YA

On 28 Oct 2003 03:41:13 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

Busy morose code users activate Nets
and Prepare For The Worst. This last one really had an impact
with all the "devestation" everywhere, didn't it?

This impacts your life how? Right, I thought so.

Stacey/AA7YA

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:10:35 GMT, "Phil Kane"
wrote:

This issue has been kicking around the ARRL Pacific Division
"cabinet" for almost 15 years that I know of (I was in same until 4
years ago). The problem is that the Postal Service wants a big hunk
of money for air mail to individual subscribers - the League would
have to assess a healthy surcharge to Pacific Section members to
make up the difference. You don't want that sort of "special
treatment".

No doubt, every annual paying member, no matter where they are, would
be feeling the bite of higher member and subscription fees. It would
be the feasible thing to do to give "special treatment" to those in
the Pacific Division. This may in fact be another reason why the
Pacific Division isn't given "special treatment"

Stacey/AA7YA

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 04:24:18 -0700, S. Hanrahan wrote:

This issue has been kicking around the ARRL Pacific Division
"cabinet" for almost 15 years that I know of (I was in same until 4
years ago). The problem is that the Postal Service wants a big hunk
of money for air mail to individual subscribers - the League would
have to assess a healthy surcharge to Pacific Section members to
make up the difference. You don't want that sort of "special
treatment".

No doubt, every annual paying member, no matter where they are, would
be feeling the bite of higher member and subscription fees. It would
be the feasible thing to do to give "special treatment" to those in
the Pacific Division. This may in fact be another reason why the
Pacific Division isn't given "special treatment"

Huh? "feasible thing to do to give "special treatment" to those in
the Pacific Division" ?? Do you mean "not feasible thing to do"?

Also, you are confusing the Pacific Division (Northern California,
Nevada, and Hawaii and other US territory in the Pacific) with the
Pacific Section which covers Hawaii and the other US territory in
the Pacific. The portion of the Pacific Division exclusive of the
Pacific Section does not need and has not asked for "special treatment".

The new Pacific Division Director, Bob Vallio, is a long-time friend
of mine who does not stand for any nonsense. We will see what will
happen, and anyhow I'm not in that Division any more so I have
no say in what will happen except to relay the history of this issue.


Stacey/AA7YA

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
(ARRL Northwestern Division, Oregon Section)