As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word about the many fires in California which have consumed a
quarter million acres (half the land area of Rhode Island), over
500 homes destroyed, over 11 dead, now in its 5th day. Over
5000 firemen are deployed and personnel and equipment from six
western states are arriving to help firefighters in an area from
Ventura County to the Mexican border.

Where are all the "emergency ham teams" who are supposed to
jump like minutemen into all the disaster work?

All the ARRL news page has on it are a single "In Brief" squib
about "Montana hams receive recognition" for the long-past
Montana wildfires. PAST news.

The nice comfy northereasterners apparently don't recognize much
of the western states of the USA, hardly have in the past. They
only consider hurricanes and floods as emergencies...because
those things happen in the east. Nice "representation of all" by
the League?

Yup, there's the premier amateur radio communications outfit
sitting up there in Newington with the Internet at its disposal
(not to mention W1AW) and can't get the word out. Too busy
being "representative for all amateurs?" Lots of nice newsy
stuff elsewhere, especially localized along the east coast.

Center of population for the USA is well WEST of the Mississippi and
California has the greatest population of any state in the Union and
on par in population with all of Canada. Apparently "6-land" doesn't
exist in the thinking of new englanders.

LHA

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...

Apparently "6-land" doesn't exist in the thinking of new englanders.


I'm sure they are like the rest of the country... We all know that
California is there - but we try not to dwell on it too much.

Most likely, you are not hearing news reports by hams in the west because
they are currently too busy doing something useful. One pattern I've noted
over the years is that reporting of ham involvement in emergencies generally
has a significant time-lag. I'm not saying that this is good or bad; I'm
just saying that that's how it generally goes.

P.S. Is it really true that they call California the "cereal bowl state"
because once you get past all the fruits and nuts, the only thing left are
the flakes?

Charles ( No Texas jokes, please! ) Brabham, N5PVL

"ARRL Sucks" wrote in message
...
The ARRL is a Yankee organization, run by Yankees
who think the center of the universe is New England.

Hams in Hawaii have been asking for years to have
QST bulk air-mailed to Hawaii, the same as all other
publishers do to ensure timely delivery. ARRL has
been farting off Hawaii hams for years. Screw the
League!

Aloha





The ARRL has contracted their publishing and do not do it themselves.
Perhaps you should contact the publisher/printer ?

Dan/W4NTI

Jim,

Len should subscribe to our newspaper. Late sports info is printed *two*
days later. He may not understand that it takes time for information to be
collected and printed (even if only on the internet).

I only wish that my worst problems were the ARRL and CW vs no code. LOL.
These guys are going to drop from coronaries or stroke long before their
time.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"N2EY" wrote in message
om...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote:

"ARRL Sucks" wrote in message
...
The ARRL is a Yankee organization, run by Yankees
who think the center of the universe is New England.

Hams in Hawaii have been asking for years to have
QST bulk air-mailed to Hawaii, the same as all other
publishers do to ensure timely delivery. ARRL has
been farting off Hawaii hams for years. Screw the
League!

Aloha


The ARRL has contracted their publishing and do not do it themselves.
Perhaps you should contact the publisher/printer ?

The ARRL is ultimately responsible for the production and delivery of
their magazine, however much they may choose to contract out; the
printer will do whatever the ARRL will pay them to do, within reasonable
limits. It's the ARRL's decision.


--
Jack Hamilton



If men are to wait for liberty until they become wise and good in slavery,
they may indeed wait for ever.
- Lord MacCaulay

(Len Over 21) wrote

As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word about the many fires in California which have consumed a
quarter million acres (half the land area of Rhode Island), over
500 homes destroyed, over 11 dead, now in its 5th day.

Up here in Minnesota it just doesn't seem to be of any importance what
some radio-hobbiest club near Hartford, CT, writes about on their web
page. The ARRL isn't relevant to the massive tragedy you folks are
facing.

Rather than sending hobby radiomen, the State of Minnesota DNR is
sending you one of our new Canadian-built arial tankers, an augmented
flight crew, and additional DNR firefighters to help you and your
neighbors.

Stay safe, Len.

73, de Hans, K0HB

N2EY wrote:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/10/27/2/?nc=1

as of 1640 EST.

This leaves Len munching his brogans once again.

Rest of Len's typical ARRL bashing snipped.

Hasn't Len made it clear on any number of occasions that he is not
anti-ARRL?

Dave K8MN

In article ,
(Hans K0HB) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote

As of 1300 EST on 27 Oct 03, the ARRL news page has not one
word about the many fires in California which have consumed a
quarter million acres (half the land area of Rhode Island), over
500 homes destroyed, over 11 dead, now in its 5th day.

Up here in Minnesota it just doesn't seem to be of any importance what
some radio-hobbiest club near Hartford, CT, writes about on their web
page. The ARRL isn't relevant to the massive tragedy you folks are
facing.

The ARRL's vaunted Emergency classes are SUPPOSED to be
relevant to this sort of thing.

Rather than sending hobby radiomen, the State of Minnesota DNR is
sending you one of our new Canadian-built arial tankers, an augmented
flight crew, and additional DNR firefighters to help you and your
neighbors.

That's good to hear, Hans. My thanks to the good state of
Minnesota for their help.

The total of firefighting personnel is now greater than 8000 from
many states, engaged in three major firestorm locations over a
120 mile radius, North of Los Angeles County to south of San
Diego to east of San Bernardino.

Air Carrier flights have been slowed greatly due to evacuation of
an FAA air traffic control center near San Diego. That has
reflected to major urban air centers around the country. The
desert TRACON in northern part of Los Angeles is operating at
capacity trying to absorb some of the ATC load.

Stay safe, Len.

Not a problem, Hans, but I thank you for your good wishes.

I'll just access ARRL news page for the latest "emergency
steps" to take. :-)

Have fun in the code contest. Keep that carpal tunnel open.

LHA

In article , "charlesb"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...

Apparently "6-land" doesn't exist in the thinking of new englanders.

I'm sure they are like the rest of the country... We all know that
California is there - but we try not to dwell on it too much.

More than one tenth of ALL Americans live in California, dumbass.

It's the most populous state in the Union. Or did you think Tay-hass
seceeded from the Union again?

Most likely, you are not hearing news reports by hams in the west because
they are currently too busy doing something useful.

Such as?

While I can't get much reach outside of NVIS' 300 km radius from
these hills, I didn't hear anything on any HF ham band nets.

They are "doing something useful" just like they did in the 1994
Northridge quake...getting the hell out...MOST LIKELY.

One pattern I've noted
over the years is that reporting of ham involvement in emergencies generally
has a significant time-lag. I'm not saying that this is good or bad; I'm
just saying that that's how it generally goes.

Radio waves propagate at faster than 180 thousand miles per second,
dumbass.

Are all these "emergency workers" getting organized by mean old
telephone landline? Don't they know that "telephones always fail
during emergencies and disasters?" [they are always saying that in
here]

P.S. Is it really true that they call California the "cereal bowl state"
because once you get past all the fruits and nuts, the only thing left are
the flakes?

No. California has a tremendous agribusiness that feeds most of
the western, mountain, and middle western states. Texas couldn't
possibly do near as well...they try with steer and say that their
steer manure is "manna."

Charles ( No Texas jokes, please! ) Brabham, N5PVL

Don't have a cow, dumbass.

LHA