In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

A neighbor tells me that the FCC has recently ruled that broadcast radio
stations are now "legally" able to "say the F word" on the air, as long as
it isn't sexual. Yeah, I know, go figure.

But, when I did a quick search on the FCC website, I found nothing of it.
Anyone know of this...my thoughts are on what will happen in amateur radio
now. The broadcast arena has always been the barometer of what people are
allowed to say on the air, hasn't it?

Kim, you are welcome to look IN DETAIL all throughout Title 47 C.F.R.
and you are NOT going to find those "words." [it's a 5-volume set on
paper from the G.P.O.]

There is NO such "word list."

All that you can find are some generalized statements about obscenity
and so forth in the rules, ALL rules and regulations.

The only "words" in broadcasting are at the NAB, the National
Association of Broadcasters...and the individual Standards
groups at individual broadcasting networks.

LHA

In article , "Kim W5TIT"
writes:

A neighbor tells me that the FCC has recently ruled that broadcast radio
stations are now "legally" able to "say the F word" on the air, as long as
it isn't sexual. Yeah, I know, go figure.

But, when I did a quick search on the FCC website, I found nothing of it.
Anyone know of this...my thoughts are on what will happen in amateur radio
now. The broadcast arena has always been the barometer of what people are
allowed to say on the air, hasn't it?

Kim W5TIT

Kim:

You apparently couldn't care less about whether or not sexually-suggestive,
objectionable language used in the context of poor individual judgment is
used on-the-air. If you did, you would have taken Mr. Hollingsworth's
admonishment to heart, and changed your call sign. However, if it makes
you feel better, in recent weeks I've heard the words "****" and "****" used
on prime-time TV programs. The effect that had on me was to make me
pick up my infrared transmitting device and QSY to The History Channel.

73 de Larry, K3LT

"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
...
A neighbor tells me that the FCC has recently ruled that broadcast radio
stations are now "legally" able to "say the F word" on the air, as long as
it isn't sexual. Yeah, I know, go figure.

But, when I did a quick search on the FCC website, I found nothing of it.
Anyone know of this...my thoughts are on what will happen in amateur radio
now. The broadcast arena has always been the barometer of what people are
allowed to say on the air, hasn't it?

Kim W5TIT

What about language rules attached to callsigns?

Dan Finn wrote


What about language rules attached to callsigns?


Oh crap, here we go again!

With all kind wishes,
de Hans, K0HB

--
"The dust will not settle in our time. And when it does some great roaring
machine will come and whirl it all sky-high again."
--Samuel Beckett

In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

Dan Finn wrote


What about language rules attached to callsigns?


Oh

[expletive deleted]

here we go again!

That sort of talk will tale rrap "one step closer...."

You know the rest.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Jim.... of all the people here I thought for sure you would see where I was
going with that.......

Of course.

it goes well beyond the "dirty words" and could
extend to any speech undesireable by others that could be deemed offensive
and therefor punishable.

I still believe in common sense and good taste, old-fashioned as that may seem.
Discussing one's gastrointestinal problems in detail on the air may be legal
but that doesn't make it acceptable....

I never hear that sort of stuff in CW ragchews, btw.

Heck, we have organizations in the US already
trying that..... not a small step to extend to ham radio!

You mean like folks who say the press is "liberally biased" or "beholden to big
business" when it reports things they don't like?

Like I said.... look beyond the cuss words, and there is a ton of things
that some radical freaks could oppose.

Sure. But limiting what can be said on the amateur bands is not an incursion
into free speech, because the amateur bands are public property.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Some people are like Slinkies . . . not really good for anything, but you
still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs."

As for specific words??? Dunno, is there a list?? Who makes the list
then? Are other things other than the known "7 dirty words" included? If
someone is of say, for instance a different faith than you, do you get to
determine anything they say religiously is offensive and should be banned
speech? I am sure there are other examples one could come up with......

Common sense and good taste used to be the guide. But I guess such
concepts are
old-fashioned nowadays, from what some folks tell me when I oppose the use
of
such language on the air and in newsgropups.....

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Jim.... of all the people here I thought for sure you would see where I
was
going with that.......

Of course.

I was hoping so.... you are, at least IMHO, one of the stable "anchors" of
this newsgroup.



it goes well beyond the "dirty words" and could
extend to any speech undesireable by others that could be deemed
offensive
and therefor punishable.

I still believe in common sense and good taste, old-fashioned as that may
seem.
Discussing one's gastrointestinal problems in detail on the air may be
legal
but that doesn't make it acceptable....

I would agree for the most part. Now..... can you cite specific rules that
state what might be "old fashioned" in exact examples not just speaking of
generalities???



I never hear that sort of stuff in CW ragchews, btw.


Just had to get that CW jab in there eh?



Heck, we have organizations in the US already
trying that..... not a small step to extend to ham radio!

You mean like folks who say the press is "liberally biased" or "beholden
to big
business" when it reports things they don't like?

No, actually, the opposite. The right-wingers who want to control others
thoughts, what they read, what they believe in, what people should do to
their bodies and put in their bodies, and make it damn near a profession of
forcing this on others. Hmmm.... Rush Limbaugh, our nation's largest
hypocrite, is a prime example. (do as I say, not do as I do mentality)
Hmmm.... Pat Buchanan was a Republicrat, and also, if Hitler was alive and
well today, and living in the US, he most likely would have been a
Republican/Republicrat.



Like I said.... look beyond the cuss words, and there is a ton of things
that some radical freaks could oppose.

Sure. But limiting what can be said on the amateur bands is not an
incursion
into free speech, because the amateur bands are public property.

Actually, if one is truly a person that believes in the most of limiting
government intrusions of our lives etc., then that person should actually be
against all licensing of radio waves. Really, when you get to the point of
it, NO ONE actually OWNS the airwaves. But in reality, there is a need for
some type of regulation otherwise the chaos that would be there if it wasn't
would be tremendous. I personally believe, if the acronym is correct, the
ECPA should be deemed illegal. (refernce the ban on cell phone recption.)


--
Ryan KC8PMX

"Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die."

In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Jim.... of all the people here I thought for sure you would see where I
was
going with that.......

Of course.

I was hoping so.... you are, at least IMHO, one of the stable "anchors" of
this newsgroup.

Thanks!

it goes well beyond the "dirty words" and could
extend to any speech undesireable by others that could be deemed
offensive and therefor punishable.

I still believe in common sense and good taste, old-fashioned as that may
seem.
Discussing one's gastrointestinal problems in detail on the air may be
legal but that doesn't make it acceptable....

Perhaps a better term would be "appropriate"

I would agree for the most part. Now..... can you cite specific rules that
state what might be "old fashioned" in exact examples not just speaking of
generalities???

Specific rules? Not really, because the wording of the regulations is so vague.

But here's a general guideline:

Imagine that your transmissions are recorded and transcribed.

Would you be proud or embarrassed to have them replayedto, or read by, your
spouse/SO/person you'd like to have in that role? Children? Parents?
Employer/employees? Clergyperson? Neighbors? FCC? WRC committees? Enemies of
amateur radio?

Unless you can answer "proud" or at least "not embarrassed" in all cases,
there's something inappropriate going on. Because you never know who is
listening - or recording. Just my opinion.

I never hear that sort of stuff in CW ragchews, btw.

Just had to get that CW jab in there eh?

No jab, just fact.

Heck, we have organizations in the US already
trying that..... not a small step to extend to ham radio!

You mean like folks who say the press is "liberally biased" or "beholden
to big business" when it reports things they don't like?

No, actually, the opposite.

Those two *are* opposites! Some "conservatives" say the media has a liberal
bias, while some "liberals" say it is beholden to big business too much.

The right-wingers who want to control others
thoughts, what they read, what they believe in, what people should do to
their bodies and put in their bodies, and make it damn near a profession of
forcing this on others.

There are left wingers who do exactly the same things, too. Me, I try to stay
"middle of the bird" (Pat Paulsen said it first, though).

The terms "liberal" and "conservative" have been corrupted to the point that
they are almost useless today. Perhaps a better way to look at things in that
area is whether someone wants to restrict what an individual or small group can
do, vs. restricting what a large group/institution can do. Or has to do.

Hmmm.... Rush Limbaugh, our nation's largest
hypocrite, is a prime example. (do as I say, not do as I do mentality)

You mean about drug abuse?

Hmmm.... Pat Buchanan was a Republicrat, and also, if Hitler was alive and
well today, and living in the US, he most likely would have been a
Republican/Republicrat.

You're awful close to Godwin's Law there, Ryan!

Actually Hitler was neither "liberal" nor "conservative" in the American sense.
He was a fascist, wanting the state to have absolute power in all areas, with
no checks or balances, nor individual rights, nor institutional rights. Only
government power, and concentrated in a single leader.

Like I said.... look beyond the cuss words, and there is a ton of things
that some radical freaks could oppose.

Sure. But limiting what can be said on the amateur bands is not an
incursion
into free speech, because the amateur bands are public property.

Actually, if one is truly a person that believes in the most of limiting
government intrusions of our lives etc., then that person should actually be
against all licensing of radio waves.

Not at all!

Really, when you get to the point of
it, NO ONE actually OWNS the airwaves.

Just the opposite - Everyone owns them. They're public property. And as such,
government has the role of regulating and divvying up the spectrum so that the
owners (that's all of us) get the maximum benefit from a limited, shared
resource.

That's fundamental radio law, (insert standard I'm-not-a-lawyer disclaimer
here). The rest is details.

But in reality, there is a need for
some type of regulation otherwise the chaos that would be there if it wasn't
would be tremendous.

And the result would be that the resource would not be used for the public
benefit.

I personally believe, if the acronym is correct, the
ECPA should be deemed illegal. (refernce the ban on cell phone recption.)

Which ban? You mean the one where it's illegal to listen in, or the one where
private property owners can require that cell phones be turned off?

73 de Jim, N2EY