"garigue" wrote in message
news:T_HIb.17085$I07.49105@attbi_s53...

I said that long before you were a ham and I'll continue to say it.
I and others did our parts to make it happen, and I'm sad that it
degenerated as it did. I can point fingers 40 years back as to why
but it wouldn't do any good.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane




I believe the downward spin began with Dick Bash.

Dan/W4NTI

Which in turn Dan was IMHO due to the incentive debaucle. I think we all
need to kick our collective asses for allowing a lot of things to happen
over the years.

Film at 11 as this is New Years Eve ....

73 God Bless KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa



Totally agree.

Dan/W4NTI

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:23:19 GMT, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

I believe the downward spin began with Dick Bash.

He may have been the "external" cause but there were folks inside
the agency who did not understand or appreciate ham radio and could
not understand why any resources had to be expended in enforcement.
Then along came the bad years of CB running wild and things went
downhill fast.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

Len,

Jim's point was well made. You appear to simply be trying to revive the
code/no code arguement. My belief is that if the FCC enforcement bureau had
not largely been disassembled, we wouldn't have the problems we do now. If
we were to dismantle the police department of NYC and the murder rate shot
through the roof, would you blame the drivers who insist everyone should
stop for a red light?

You are seeing the same situation everywhere in society today. Nothing
wrong with selling drugs to make some money, except, of course, for the
stupid drug laws.

'Cmon, now, you can do better that that!



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



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In article , "Jim Hampton"
writes:

Len,

Jim's point was well made.

No, it was not.

You appear to simply be trying to revive the code/no code arguement.

"Revive?!?"

Who said it "died?!?"

Destroying the code test requirement is a never-ending battle.

My belief is that if the FCC enforcement bureau had
not largely been disassembled, we wouldn't have the problems we do now.

?

Since WHEN was the FCC enforcement "stopped?"

FCC was very busy ENFORCING US civil radio ever since the end
of WW2. It's in the Reading Room at the FCC building if you care
to research it.

Your complaint should be rewritten to say the FCC "did not enforce
amateur radio ENOUGH"...to satisfy the purists and the prissy
olde-tymers who wanted to keep the standards and practices of the
1930s alive and well.

If
we were to dismantle the police department of NYC and the murder rate shot
through the roof, would you blame the drivers who insist everyone should
stop for a red light?

When in heck did the laws of New York City come under amateur radio
regulations?!?!?

You got a problem with NYC law, you take it to the NYC DA, okay?

You are seeing the same situation everywhere in society today.

Yeah...all those prim, proper, pejoartive-pushing anti-sex-term
purists babbling like eco-destroyed brooks about callsigns!

Ptui.

Nothing
wrong with selling drugs to make some money, except, of course, for the
stupid drug laws.

You had a bad toke or something?

This is NOT about "drugs" or "drug laws," Jim, nor is it about prim,
prissy, puritans forbidding sexist terms in callsigns. Geez!

'Cmon, now, you can do better that that!

When someone PAYS me for my words, you can damn well assume
the words WILL be better.

You sure as hell need to think some more about what YOU said.

WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

Every single one of them were superb, excellent students who
all passed. All smarter than Hiram and possessed of near
superhuman character and motivation, showing the ultimate
respect for the amateur community.
Late getting into high school? In Illinois we started at 12 or 13.

Spent a whole year studying for the amateur radio test, did
you? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Obviously due to character flaws, of not expressing enought
commitment to ham radio....all a result of lack of morse code
proficiency.

NO ONE was illegal over three decades ago...NO ONE.

It all happened NOW...and all due to low commitment and
dedication to the olde-tyme hammes and morse code.

Being a year late for high school might explain some of that.

Those things would NEVER happen in Pennsylvania, would they?

Reverend Jimmie sounds like working up to another...
Sermon On The Antenna Mount!

All that disrespect and lack of dedication to the amateur community
for not embracing the healing, curative powers of morsemanship!

Terrible, isn't it?

All those years...those wasted years...all the olde-tymers getting
older, grumping around, kvetching and belching about newcomers
not having any respect for the goode olde values of amateurism!

Nobody could do anything, could they? They all sat around and
kvetched and nobody reported anybody, demanding that the feds
should have been dedicated to their Cause and making the ham
world safe for their elitist democratic-socialism where all got one
vote...to cast as one...on one viewpoint.

You tellum, Jimmie.

WMD


Len, won't you tell us again about your purpose here? You know, the
thing about only being here for the civil debate of code test issue?
That's such a good tale.

Dave K8MN

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len, won't you tell us again about your purpose here? You know, the
thing about only being here for the civil debate of code test issue?
That's such a good tale.

Why?

YOUR whole purpose in here is to spit bile at those that don't
agree with your noble elitist thoughts.

You follow that course for more than 19 out of 20 postings.

You never want to discuss any subject matter unless it involves
tossing s**t on others.

Is that what U.S. amateur radio has evolved into today?

Certainly looks like it.

LHA / WMD

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len, won't you tell us again about your purpose here? You know, the
thing about only being here for the civil debate of code test issue?
That's such a good tale.

Why?

I already addressed the "why": ...because that's such a good tale.

YOUR whole purpose in here is to spit bile at those that don't
agree with your noble elitist thoughts.

That can only be guess work on your part. I've never stated a purpose
for being here. You have stated a specific purpose for being here but
can't be counted upon to do just about everything accept that which
you've stated.

You follow that course for more than 19 out of 20 postings.

....and you seem bent on outdoing me by a factor of 10 to 1.

You never want to discuss any subject matter unless it involves
tossing s**t on others.

Maybe your remarkable inferiority complex in just bubbling to the top,
kindly old gent. If you'd like, we can review some of your posts of the
past week, we can debate the matter of who tosses what.

Is that what U.S. amateur radio has evolved into today?

What's it to you, Len. You aren't involved in U.S or any other amateur
radio.

Certainly looks like it.

No, I don't think it looks like it, Len. This isn't amateur radio.
This is Usenet.


Dave K8MN