William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...


I'd prefer it if the test were essay. not because it would be harder,
but because for me at least, it would be easier. I liked them in school,
I still like them.


You are assuming that the volunteer examiners are capable of
evaluating something other than multiple choice.

And how! That is the glaring problem with essay type questions. The
grader must understand the answer, and they must be able to understand
the answers that the student makes. Any less, and you have a big argument.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message
...

I'd prefer it if the test were essay. not because it would be harder,
but because for me at least, it would be easier. I liked them in school,
I still like them.

You are assuming that the volunteer examiners are capable of
evaluating something other than multiple choice.

And how! That is the glaring problem with essay type questions. The
grader must understand the answer, and they must be able to understand
the answers that the student makes. Any less, and you have a big argument.

Don't all those VEs know all there is to know about radio?

Gosh, to hear the Extras talk in here they DO!

Since They Know All There Is To Know, there should be NO questions!

No questions, no discussion, they are supremely qualified by law.

Just demonstrate morsemanship skills and everyone is qualified to
operate on HF!

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

William wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message
...

I'd prefer it if the test were essay. not because it would be harder,
but because for me at least, it would be easier. I liked them in school,
I still like them.

You are assuming that the volunteer examiners are capable of
evaluating something other than multiple choice.

And how! That is the glaring problem with essay type questions. The
grader must understand the answer, and they must be able to understand
the answers that the student makes. Any less, and you have a big argument.

Don't all those VEs know all there is to know about radio?

Gosh, to hear the Extras talk in here they DO!

Since They Know All There Is To Know, there should be NO questions!

No questions, no discussion, they are supremely qualified by law.

Just demonstrate morsemanship skills and everyone is qualified to
operate on HF!

LHA / WMD

Why, Len, just the other day I heard The Amateur Formerly Known As
(TAFKA) Rev. Jim say that the Morse Code test was a disincentive to
use CW on HF.

Maybe the earth has reversed polarity!

Or maybe he just got his tie stuck in his zipper.

(William) wrote in message . com...
(N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

For implementation sometime AFTER the "code issue" is resolved:

For some folks, it will only be resolved when there is no code testing at all.

(1) Amateur Basic.

Forty question test with access to 144mHz, 50Mhz, 28mHz, 21mHz,
18mHz, 7mHz and 1.8mHz.

Why no 80, 30, 20, or 12 meters? Why not allow 222 in hopes of increasing
use of the band?

Same phone allocations as other licensees on HF bands.

You mean same as Extras have now?

I believe he does. Is that a problem?

Morse Code endorsement required for opera-
tion in lower 100kHz of any band.

Bad idea. Acts as a disincentive to use CW and digital modes, and as an
incentive to use voice only!

Ahem, The Amateur Formerly Known as Rev. Jim, we've had that very same
or greater disincentive since 1912.

Why is it NOW a problem?

Limit 100 watts output on any band.

Requires RF exposure eval on higher bands. Why not 100/25?

(2) Amateur Advanced.

Additional written examination.

OK

All presently HF-licensed
Amateurs except Extras grandfathered to new license.

Even Novices and Techs? That's a worse giveaway than ARRL proposes!

Privileges
same as for former Advanced Class. Morse Code endorsement required
for operation in lower 100kHz of any band EXCEPT for those
previously
code tested or already holding an Element 1 CSCE. New licensees
(not
grandfathered operators) limit to 500 watts on any band.

See above about code test.

(3) Amateur Radio-God Expert for Life

(OK...that was for Lennie's benefit...I'D call it Amateur
Extra)

I have no idea why you bother with him, Steve.

It gets Steve out of bed in the morning.

Comprehensive closed-pool written test.

How? "Son Of Bash" would make it open pool quickly. Plus, how can you make a
case that only the top ticket gets a closed pool but open is OK for the others?

REQUIRED 5wpm Morse Code

test. Full Amateur allocations and privileges. Additional phone
allocations (or "wideband", if you prefer non-mode specific
classifi-
cations) from previous Novice class bands. Full power.

Why?

Three levels - good.
Incremental power and privs - good

You once told me when we had 7 license class distinctions that we
needed more classes.

Why the change now?

bb

TAFKA Rev. Jim, has the cat got your tongue?

(William) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
(N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Morse Code endorsement required for opera-
tion in lower 100kHz of any band.

Bad idea. Acts as a disincentive to use CW and digital modes, and as an
incentive to use voice only!

Ahem, The Amateur Formerly Known As Rev. Jim, we've had that very same
or greater disincentive since 1912.

Why is it NOW a problem?

Why?

Why, Jim?

Why, Jim?

Jim, don't you know why you say the things you say?

(William) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...
(N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Morse Code endorsement required for opera-
tion in lower 100kHz of any band.

Bad idea. Acts as a disincentive to use CW and digital modes, and as an
incentive to use voice only!

Ahem, The Amateur Formerly Known As Rev. Jim, we've had that very same
or greater disincentive since 1912.

Why is it NOW a problem?

Why?

Why, Jim?

Why, Jim?

Jim, don't you know why you say the things you say?

C'mon, Jim, do you really expect us to believe that the Morse Code
exam is a disincentive to using CW on HF?

In article ,
(William) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
(William) wrote in message
.com...
(William) wrote in message
.com...
(William) wrote in message
.com...
(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

Morse Code endorsement required for opera-
tion in lower 100kHz of any band.

Bad idea. Acts as a disincentive to use CW and digital modes, and
as an
incentive to use voice only!

Ahem, The Amateur Formerly Known As Rev. Jim, we've had that very
same
or greater disincentive since 1912.

Why is it NOW a problem?

Why?

Why, Jim?

Why, Jim?

Jim, don't you know why you say the things you say?

In the past it's been "his way or the highway."

I reckon he's on the highway now...

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

Why, Len, just the other day I heard The Amateur Formerly Known As
(TAFKA) Rev. Jim say that the Morse Code test was a disincentive to
use CW on HF.

Maybe the earth has reversed polarity!

Or maybe he just got his tie stuck in his zipper.

I'll have to ignore it. Must have been some NCTA hacker that got
in here and forged the reverend's screen name. Gotta be false.

Does the reverend have zippers?

I thought the Amish only used button holes and hooks...

LHA / WMD

In article ,
(William) writes:

(William) wrote in message
.com...
(N2EY) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

For implementation sometime AFTER the "code issue" is resolved:

For some folks, it will only be resolved when there is no code testing at
all.

(1) Amateur Basic.

Forty question test with access to 144mHz, 50Mhz, 28mHz,
21mHz,
18mHz, 7mHz and 1.8mHz.

Why no 80, 30, 20, or 12 meters? Why not allow 222 in hopes of increasing
use of the band?

Same phone allocations as other licensees on HF bands.

You mean same as Extras have now?

I believe he does. Is that a problem?

Morse Code endorsement required for opera-
tion in lower 100kHz of any band.

Bad idea. Acts as a disincentive to use CW and digital modes, and as an
incentive to use voice only!

Ahem, The Amateur Formerly Known as Rev. Jim, we've had that very same
or greater disincentive since 1912.

Why is it NOW a problem?

Limit 100 watts output on any band.

Requires RF exposure eval on higher bands. Why not 100/25?

(2) Amateur Advanced.

Additional written examination.

OK

All presently HF-licensed
Amateurs except Extras grandfathered to new license.

Even Novices and Techs? That's a worse giveaway than ARRL proposes!

Privileges
same as for former Advanced Class. Morse Code endorsement
required
for operation in lower 100kHz of any band EXCEPT for those
previously
code tested or already holding an Element 1 CSCE. New
licensees
(not
grandfathered operators) limit to 500 watts on any band.

See above about code test.

(3) Amateur Radio-God Expert for Life

(OK...that was for Lennie's benefit...I'D call it Amateur
Extra)

I have no idea why you bother with him, Steve.

It gets Steve out of bed in the morning.

Comprehensive closed-pool written test.

How? "Son Of Bash" would make it open pool quickly. Plus, how can you
make a
case that only the top ticket gets a closed pool but open is OK for the
others?

REQUIRED 5wpm Morse Code

test. Full Amateur allocations and privileges. Additional
phone
allocations (or "wideband", if you prefer non-mode specific
classifi-
cations) from previous Novice class bands. Full power.

Why?

Three levels - good.
Incremental power and privs - good

You once told me when we had 7 license class distinctions that we
needed more classes.

Why the change now?

bb

TAFKA Rev. Jim, has the cat got your tongue?

It's sleeping on his bug.

Don't wake the dead.

LHA / WMD

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

Why, Len, just the other day I heard The Amateur Formerly Known As
(TAFKA) Rev. Jim say that the Morse Code test was a disincentive to
use CW on HF.

Maybe the earth has reversed polarity!

Or maybe he just got his tie stuck in his zipper.

I'll have to ignore it. Must have been some NCTA hacker that got
in here and forged the reverend's screen name. Gotta be false.

Does the reverend have zippers?

I thought the Amish only used button holes and hooks...

LHA / WMD

You're right - MUST have been an imposter. Since the same
disincentive has been in place since 1912, I can't imagine TAFKA Rev.
Jim flubbing up like that. Not in a million years.

Whoever forged that post had to have been a complete moron.

My apologies to TAFKA Rev. Jim.