Alun wrote in message . ..

I think when he spoke of inaction he meant the earlier ZS proposal, not the
one they are now considering

Perhaps, Alun, but 99% of that post was asking Brain why it was
important to him to demean and belittle another person who does not
demean or belittle him.

73

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message . com...

Because, TAFKARJ, the country already has coded licenses. And they've
had since 1912 to perfect them. Now its time for them to try
something new and different, but instead they get more of the same.
Can't think outside the box.

Again with teh belittlements where no belittlement in kind existed.

And you mean can't think outside YOUR box...

Steve, K4YZ


What belittlements, Stebe?

(William) wrote in message

What belittlements, Stebe?

You really need to ask? The you ARE the idiot I have surmised all along.

Steve, K4YZ

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message om...
(William) wrote in message . com...
PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , Alun
writes:

The authorities in South Africa reacted to the demise of the ITU code
test requirement in a truly bizarre way, by suggesting a third class of
licence with a ZT call, with a 5wpm code test and limited HF privileges.

Why was this a "truly bizarre way"?

TAFKA Rev Jim, I'll explain it to you. SA has two existing coded HF
licenses. ITU says you can drop code, so they come out with a third
coded license. Bizarre.

Question, Brain...

Brain?

I have never seen Jim Miccolis refer to you as anything but
"Brian"...

How is it that you misspell my name in one fragment sentence, and
spell it correctly in another?

So WHY do YOU inisist on following the insulting and demeaning
example of a known pathological liar and antagonist in engaging in any
interaction with him...?!?!

Stebe, you misunderstand (what's new?).

I am the ONE who has tagged N2EY with the title "TAFKA Rev. Jim" after
his dishonesty in altering Kim's posts. He previously put forth the
image of being as pure as the driven snow. But after that little
stunt, he can no longer be referred to as Reverend Jim. So, "formerly
known as" sounded good to me.

You got a problem with it?

Are you, after all, as shallow and immature as I thought you
really are?

No. Perhaps even more so. Perhaps almost as much as you are.

Please give some specific example of how Jim has belittled or
demeaned YOU in a like manner...

Why? Shallow and immature people don't have to follow your orders.

This has been shelved, due to what they say were a large number of
comments.

Democracy in action.

You almost got it right. Should be "Democracy inaction."

As the otehr post suggested...You can either get to the higher
class license by progressing up a Code ladder or a theory ladder.

Why is that "inaction"...?!?!

Sounds like a very reasonable compromise.

Then why did they initially suggest a third coded license? Why did
that generate a "large number of comments?"

To introduce a pathway to the higher license. Shall I draw you a
map?

If South Africa does
implement it, they will be the first and probably only country to do so.

Why? Perhaps it could be a way out of the constant arguments. It wasn't
possible before, due to the treaty.

TAFKA Rev Jim, the constant arguments can be gotten out of by letting
go.

Ahhhhh...so, if we all just agree with you, then we don't need to
"discuss" anything any more, eh?

How Lenniesque.

They are also proposing to give the same limited HF privileges that they
would have given to the new licence, to the existing restricted licence
instead, without any addtional testing.

How many has in South Africa, anyway?

huh?

Even a gradeschooler can see he just dropped the "m" out of
"hams", BRAIN...

I can see how you'll wind up a loser if you ever got on "Wheel of
Fortune"...

OOOOOOPS! YOU'RE ALREADY A LOSER!

EXXXXXXXXXCCCCCUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEE MEEEEEEEEEEEEE ! ! !
! ! ! !

Steve, K4YZ

Stebe, take a chill pill or whatever meds you forgot to take.

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message

What belittlements, Stebe?

You really need to ask? The you ARE the idiot I have surmised all along.

Steve, K4YZ

Such as your incessant use of "Brain" instead of using my name?

And now you want to call me on the carpet for using TAFKA Rev. Jim???

You just renewed your membership in the KMA Club.

(William) wrote in message . com...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message

What belittlements, Stebe?

You really need to ask? The you ARE the idiot I have surmised all along.

Steve, K4YZ

Such as your incessant use of "Brain" instead of using my name?

And now you want to call me on the carpet for using TAFKA Rev. Jim???

You just renewed your membership in the KMA Club.

I am not the one who sets the rules, Brain.

You make a fool out of yourself in a public forum...I
sarcastically call you "Brain" since you keep on doing it over and
over.

As for the "KMA" club, thanks...Sure is embarrassing having a
membership that much junior to YOURS, though....

Steve, K4YZ

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(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message om...
(William) wrote in message . com...

TAFKA Rev Jim, I'll explain it to you. SA has two existing coded HF
licenses. ITU says you can drop code, so they come out with a third
coded license. Bizarre.

Question, Brain...

Brain?

I have never seen Jim Miccolis refer to you as anything but
"Brian"...

How is it that you misspell my name in one fragment sentence, and
spell it correctly in another?

Because, BRAIN, it's not about how I address YOU...It's about
why do YOU address Jim Miccolis with belittling endearments when
HE has never addressed YOU as anything except your proper name?

That scumbag you run with likes to do that. Jim has never
refered to him as anything but "Len", yet "Len" finds countless ways
to belittle him.

Lennie does that because he cannot "argue" or "debate" Jim
otherwise. He has to make Jim appear less-than-adequate in order to
promote himself. The weak minded and the foolish HAVE to do
that...It's a defense mechanism.

Are YOU that weak minded and foolish?

He did the same thing with me when he launched into allegations
of being a "jack booted thug", "Nazi", "elitist", "Dill Sergeant", etc
etc etc, when I had not so addressed him. He is treated and addressed
in the same tone and with the same viciousness as he unleashed.

Is that how you feel? Do YOU need to belittle Jim in order
to effectively express yourself when discussing things with/about him?

Please do not humiliate yourself by trying to misdirect this
question by asking ME about how I address Lennie...I've already
answered that.

Stay focused...you were asked a direct, specific question.

You CAN answer direct, specific questions, can't you?

So WHY do YOU inisist on following the insulting and demeaning
example of a known pathological liar and antagonist in engaging in any
interaction with him...?!?!

Stebe, you misunderstand (what's new?).

I am the ONE who has tagged N2EY with the title "TAFKA Rev. Jim" after
his dishonesty in altering Kim's posts. He previously put forth the
image of being as pure as the driven snow. But after that little
stunt, he can no longer be referred to as Reverend Jim. So, "formerly
known as" sounded good to me.

You got a problem with it?

I have a problem with you lying.

I have a problem with you following in the footsteps of a person
who is a known pathological liar and antagonist. It's embarrassing to
see a contemporary Veteran and Amateur licensee resorting to Lennie's
tactics.

As for what "sounded good to (you)"...My question STILL
remains...Did Jim refer to you by any name, title or endearment OTHER
than "Brian"...?!?!

If not, why do YOU find it necessary to do so...?!?!

Are you, after all, as shallow and immature as I thought you
really are?

No. Perhaps even more so. Perhaps almost as much as you are.

Brain, you will NEVER be as much as I am...good OR bad.

Please give some specific example of how Jim has belittled or
demeaned YOU in a like manner...

Why? Shallow and immature people don't have to follow your orders.

What "order", Brain...?!?!

I SAID "please"...And to have fulfilled my request would have only
served to explain why YOU find it necessary to be demeaning and
rude...OR have proven why you were right and I was wrong.

Instead, you choose to be even MORE argumentitive and demeaning,
even further cementing your reputation.

Stebe, take a chill pill or whatever meds you forgot to take.

Uh huh....Just after you take your distemper shot, Brain, and
answer the question put to you. WHY do you find it necessary to be
rude and demeaning when no such epithets were addressed to you...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

PS: I will assume any answer to the question that attempts to
redirect or obfuscate the response to be "I am unwilling to directly
answer the question as I know the truth to be other than what I
stated". Simple enough?

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...
(William) wrote in message om...
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message om...
(William) wrote in message . com...

TAFKA Rev Jim, I'll explain it to you. SA has two existing coded HF
licenses. ITU says you can drop code, so they come out with a third
coded license. Bizarre.

Question, Brain...

Brain?

I have never seen Jim Miccolis refer to you as anything but
"Brian"...

How is it that you misspell my name in one fragment sentence, and
spell it correctly in another?

Because, BRAIN, it's not about how I address YOU...

I say it is. Until you behave yourself, its TAFKARJ!!!

It's about
why do YOU address Jim Miccolis with belittling endearments when
HE has never addressed YOU as anything except your proper name?

Tuff. I'm holding TAFKARJ metaphorically hostage until you straighten
your insane a$$ out. My regrets to Jim. I'll send out for
Schlottskey's deli.

That scumbag you run with likes to do that. Jim has never
refered to him as anything but "Len", yet "Len" finds countless ways
to belittle him.

That would be between the scumbag that I run with and TAFKARJ.

Do you often get involved with other people's issues?

Lennie does that because he cannot "argue" or "debate" Jim
otherwise.

He can. He has. And to a reasonable person, effectively. But
TAFKARJ remains in another world. A Ham in a Bubble.

He has to make Jim appear less-than-adequate in order to
promote himself. The weak minded and the foolish HAVE to do
that...It's a defense mechanism.

Perhaps. But TAFKARJ has made himself less-than-adequate by altering
posts. It is a cross that he must bear (Mel, forgive me).

Are YOU that weak minded and foolish?

Don't know.

On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the most weak-minded and foolish,
how high would you rate me?

He did the same thing with me when he launched into allegations
of being a "jack booted thug", "Nazi", "elitist", "Dill Sergeant", etc
etc etc, when I had not so addressed him. He is treated and addressed
in the same tone and with the same viciousness as he unleashed.

Ahem. I hate to be the one to break it to you, Steve, but you are
just a wee little bit over the top. Ask ANYone!

Is that how you feel? Do YOU need to belittle Jim in order
to effectively express yourself when discussing things with/about him?

Do you need to belittle me in order to express yourself?

Rhetorical question. I already know the answer.

And, no, I don't need to belittle TAFKARJ. Have I done so?

Please do not humiliate yourself by trying to misdirect this
question by asking ME about how I address Lennie...I've already
answered that.

See above. Why do you need to try to belittle ME?

Stay focused...you were asked a direct, specific question.

Which was?

You CAN answer direct, specific questions, can't you?

If I can recall them.

So WHY do YOU inisist on following the insulting and demeaning
example of a known pathological liar and antagonist in engaging in any
interaction with him...?!?!

Stebe, you misunderstand (what's new?).

I am the ONE who has tagged N2EY with the title "TAFKA Rev. Jim" after
his dishonesty in altering Kim's posts. He previously put forth the
image of being as pure as the driven snow. But after that little
stunt, he can no longer be referred to as Reverend Jim. So, "formerly
known as" sounded good to me.

You got a problem with it?

I have a problem with you lying.

I have a problem with your lies, and your insane behavior.

I have a problem with you following in the footsteps of a person
who is a known pathological liar and antagonist. It's embarrassing to
see a contemporary Veteran and Amateur licensee resorting to Lennie's
tactics.

Len is also a Veteran and a Radioman.

As for what "sounded good to (you)"...My question STILL
remains...Did Jim refer to you by any name, title or endearment OTHER
than "Brian"...?!?!

No. He no longer refers to me at all. He keeps tripping over his own
tie, and won't acknowledge or explain his most recent irrational
policy positions WRT amateur radio.

If not, why do YOU find it necessary to do so...?!?!

Jim has tainted himself by altering posts. I can no longer revere
him, thusly, he is no longer Reverend.

Are you, after all, as shallow and immature as I thought you
really are?

No. Perhaps even more so. Perhaps almost as much as you are.

Brain, you will NEVER be as much as I am...good OR bad.

True. You're manic. Go see the definition.

Please give some specific example of how Jim has belittled or
demeaned YOU in a like manner...

Why? Shallow and immature people don't have to follow your orders.

What "order", Brain...?!?!

I SAID "please"...And to have fulfilled my request would have only
served to explain why YOU find it necessary to be demeaning and
rude...OR have proven why you were right and I was wrong.

Instead, you choose to be even MORE argumentitive and demeaning,
even further cementing your reputation.

Jim has been found guilty of altering posts.

Stebe, take a chill pill or whatever meds you forgot to take.

Uh huh....Just after you take your distemper shot, Brain, and
answer the question put to you. WHY do you find it necessary to be
rude and demeaning when no such epithets were addressed to you...?!?!

Steve, K4YZ

PS: I will assume any answer to the question that attempts to
redirect or obfuscate the response to be "I am unwilling to directly
answer the question as I know the truth to be other than what I
stated". Simple enough?

See above. Questions answered. Now what?

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

Because, BRAIN, it's not about how I address YOU...It's about
why do YOU address Jim Miccolis with belittling endearments when
HE has never addressed YOU as anything except your proper name?

Steve,

Isn't the reason obvious?

That scumbag you run with likes to do that. Jim has never
refered to him as anything but "Len", yet "Len" finds countless ways
to belittle him.

I have also used the term "Mr. Anderson".

He did the same thing with me when he launched into allegations
of being a "jack booted thug", "Nazi", "elitist", "Dill Sergeant", etc
etc etc, when I had not so addressed him.

Don't forget "nursie" and being addressed by the wrong gender.

He is treated and addressed
in the same tone and with the same viciousness as he unleashed.

And you have provided the exact response desired.

By responding in kind, you have lowered yourself to the level of the
very people you oppose, and (in their minds) given them the OK to
continue to behave that way.

I have a problem with you lying.

Do you think that such lies will ever be admitted? For example, I have
been
accused of altering Kim's posts - which is not what happened at all.

I have a problem with you following in the footsteps of a person
who is a known pathological liar and antagonist. It's embarrassing to
see a contemporary Veteran and Amateur licensee resorting to Lennie's
tactics.

And by responding in kind......

Instead, you choose to be even MORE argumentitive and demeaning,
even further cementing your reputation.

Then why bother, Steve? Haven't you seen enough examples to know what
the
responses will be? Don't you already know that your questions will not
be answered?

There's a reason for killfiles and filters. I find my
rrap experience to be much better for the use of them.

You've got kids, Steve. Haven't you had the situation where a kid
argues with you about bedtime - at bedtime? By arguing with the kid,
bedtime effectively becomes later because the kid isn't in bed when
s/he's arguing. But if you refuse to argue, you get less of a hassle.

Dee's (or was it Dave's?) metaphor of the landfill and the fence is
very appropriate.

"[their] hobby is wasting time. Your time."

Free speech doesn't mean you have to listen to what everyone says.

73 de Jim, N2EY

(N2EY) wrote in message . com...

"[their] hobby is wasting time. Your time."

Free speech doesn't mean you have to listen to what everyone says.

73 de Jim, N2EY

If you want to witness a true waste of time, read a Heil post.