Arnold wrote:


"We'll *try* not harm hobbyists.." Yeah, riiiight. To me what he
actually said was "Talk to the hand 'cause the face don't understand."
I think Powell would love nothing more than to see amateur radio die.


After BPL gets up and going, watch Powell and some of the other high up
FCC lawyers take jobs at outlandish salaries with some of the BPL
companies as their payoff to them for pushing BPL through.

Dave Shrader wrote:

Running 1 KW as the minimum power necessary to
communicate across town on 75 phone will certainly
have an impact on local BPL users!!!

DD

Yes it will, and that's when Congress and G.W.Bush
will cough up the "Internet Counter-Terrorism Bill
of 2006" that will limit all HF amateur radio operators
to 5 watts PEP output to prevent this kind of
"cyberterrorism".

After all, they will argue, the QRP people showed that
amateur operators can work the world at that power level.
Anything higher than that should be viewed as really too
dangerous to be left in "civilian" hands. (They will nudge
the Democrats across the aisle and say "You know, just
like handguns", and it will be a slam-dunk).

Don't underestimate the political power of a 500-million-
dollar capital investment.

Jim Bromley, K7JEB
Glendale, AZ, USA

If you read my original post that investment was my opening comment!!

K7JEB wrote:
Dave Shrader wrote:


Running 1 KW as the minimum power necessary to
communicate across town on 75 phone will certainly
have an impact on local BPL users!!!

DD


Yes it will, and that's when Congress and G.W.Bush
will cough up the "Internet Counter-Terrorism Bill
of 2006" that will limit all HF amateur radio operators
to 5 watts PEP output to prevent this kind of
"cyberterrorism".

After all, they will argue, the QRP people showed that
amateur operators can work the world at that power level.
Anything higher than that should be viewed as really too
dangerous to be left in "civilian" hands. (They will nudge
the Democrats across the aisle and say "You know, just
like handguns", and it will be a slam-dunk).

Don't underestimate the political power of a 500-million-
dollar capital investment.

Jim Bromley, K7JEB
Glendale, AZ, USA

Dave Shrader wrote:


Running 1 KW as the minimum power necessary to communicate across town
on 75 phone will certainly have an impact on local BPL users!!!

With the amount of interference and noise BPL will make, we will likely
not be in
violation of using excessive power "to carry on the desired
communications". And
we are federally licensed, so that would preempt any local rules and
also trump part 15.

"We'll *try* not harm hobbyists.." Yeah, riiiight. To me what he
actually said was "Talk to the hand 'cause the face don't understand."
I think Powell would love nothing more than to see amateur radio die.



I doubt that he even know it still exists. He probably thinks that ham
radio operators
are still using homebrew 75 watt crystal controlled CW rigs and modified
AM radios,
or boatanchors. And are boy scouts, etc....

In article mar2c.13348$Zp.12451@fed1read07,
says...
Dave Shrader wrote:

Running 1 KW as the minimum power necessary to
communicate across town on 75 phone will certainly
have an impact on local BPL users!!!

DD

Yes it will, and that's when Congress and G.W.Bush
will cough up the "Internet Counter-Terrorism Bill
of 2006" that will limit all HF amateur radio operators
to 5 watts PEP output to prevent this kind of
"cyberterrorism".

After all, they will argue, the QRP people showed that
amateur operators can work the world at that power level.
Anything higher than that should be viewed as really too
dangerous to be left in "civilian" hands. (They will nudge
the Democrats across the aisle and say "You know, just
like handguns", and it will be a slam-dunk).

Don't underestimate the political power of a 500-million-
dollar capital investment.

Jim,

You make a good point. It's happened before where amateurs lost
spectrum. Remember the UPS fiasco where they snagged a chunk of the 220
band?

And of course there was the LEO debacle.

We really need to fight this and make them do the right thing. And it's
a bit like un-ringing the bell. There are a whole lot of transceivers
out there that put out anywhere from 50W to 200W right out of the box.
And a whole lot more amps that kick up to the 1.5KW range. Granted, the
FCC knows who and where every ham in the U.S. happens to be, but they
don't know exactly what gear you've got do they? I mean I'm an extra
without an HF rig right now.

And when you think about it, a properly placed 5W transmitter will do
stuttering wonders for BPL.

BPL needs to be killed and pronto.

In article , Tony P.
writes:

Don't underestimate the political power of a 500-million-
dollar capital investment.

Jim,

You make a good point. It's happened before where amateurs lost
spectrum. Remember the UPS fiasco where they snagged a chunk of the 220
band?

And of course there was the LEO debacle.

One word: Iridium.

We really need to fight this and make them do the right thing.

Then do the following:

1) Download and read the NPRM

2) Put together coherent comments that refute specific points. Example: In
paragraph 35 FCC says that it would expect hams to point their antennas to
minimize reception of emissions from power lines. That should be refuted by
pointing out that

1) many if not most hams do not have directional antennas for the bands in
question

2) installation of such antennas is not practical in many cases

3) such a solution does nothing when the BPL noise is coming from all
directions, as it would tend to do in a residential area of typical density
where all of the wiring - including the low voltage house wiring! - is
radiating BPL noise.

That's just one point in the NPRM - there are lots more.


73 de Jim, N2EY

In rec.radio.amateur.dx Tony P. wrote:
basically said, "We'll try not to harm hobbyists, but BPL
has too much potential (*) to let it be stopped."

Ah, but kill the potential and it becomes a non-viable service.

You mean, by running high power and interfering with
the BPL access? Never happen. When Suburban Dad can't
get his sports and Mom can't get AOL and Junior can't
download Korean porn, all because of one 80-year-old
down the street with a hobby that 98% of Americans don't
even understand, they'll pull the rug out from under ham
radio faster than you can say "broadband." If there were
50 million active hams and we were well organized, we
might have a chance.


_______________________________________________
Ken Kuzenski AC4RD kuzen001 at acpub .duke .edu
_______________________________________________
All disclaimers apply, see? www.duke.edu/~kuzen001

In article ,
(Hans K0HB) writes:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/...service_1.html

Terrifying. It will be interesting to see how amateurs in the BPL-infected
areas are affected by this disease -- and how they respond!

We live in interesting times...

73 de Larry, K3LT

Tony P. wrote:

We really need to fight this and make them do the right thing. And it's
a bit like un-ringing the bell. There are a whole lot of transceivers
out there that put out anywhere from 50W to 200W right out of the box.
And a whole lot more amps that kick up to the 1.5KW range. Granted, the
FCC knows who and where every ham in the U.S. happens to be, but they
don't know exactly what gear you've got do they? I mean I'm an extra
without an HF rig right now.

And when you think about it, a properly placed 5W transmitter will do
stuttering wonders for BPL.

BPL needs to be killed and pronto.


The FCC tune has already changed. Read the article at:

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/03/09/1/?nc=1

Notice the FCC statement "...Powell responded to the question by saying
the FCC would not let BPL interfere with critical services."

Now the protection appears to have migrated to "critical" services only,
and the burden of proof is thus shifted to amateur radio to show how our
service is "critical" and worthy of protection against the
best-thing-since-sliced-bread BPL.

And they are about to lock up a goddamn housewife while these vultures
roam unimpeded...


73 ... WA7AA



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