PAMNO (N2EY) wrote in message ...
In article , Alun
writes:

I dunno, Alun. It might soon be hard to convince a lot of people
to go
drastically into debt just to have their field be decimated upon
graduation.


Agreed. The only solution to that appears to be more money in grant form
rather than loan form. At least it can be targeted at particular subjects,
like EE and Comp Sci for example.

I agree with grants, but they should be targeted at occupations where there's a
shortage, not a glut, of trained workers.

According to the Dem's, there's a glut of workers, i.e., unemployment
is at Great Depression levels.

Thus, according to your targeted grant scheme, there will be no
grants.

Meanwhile jobs continue to flow overseas.

Even then, you have countries like India to worry about. Despite their
overall poverty they have more English speaking educated middle class
than America (their sheer numbers help here), and they are willing to
do white collar and professional jobs for much less.

Well, the tech help I've gotten surely doesn't speak English very
well! 8^)

Indians in India use English mostly to communicate with eachother, as they
have a proliferation of different languages. Just because they are fluent
doesn't necessarily mean it's English as you know it, or even as I know it.

From a purely numerical standpoint, it could be claimed that *their* usage is
standard and *we* all have accents...

Depends if they went to the school of English, or the school of
American.

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

Seems to me that at the bottom of it all is the fact that people will pay the
inflated tuitions because colege is seen as an absolute necessity these days.


"Colege?" An MSEE who failed English? :-)

Is a college or university degree necessary for being an radio
amateur?

Is an amateur radio license test equal to a college or university
examination?

Walk the plonk, TAFKARJ...

I seem to remember you using terms like "Atila" and "beligerant" and you
used them more than once, indicating not a typographical error but in
inability to spell the words.

You're quite a fellow, Len.

Dave K8MN

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message
.com...
(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Heil

writes:

You can buy an Orion too, Leonard.

I can also by an H2 and pay cash. Don't care to.

A TYPO!!! A TYPO!!!

LENNIE'S MAD! HE'S SEETHING IN RAGE!

Quixoterobeson, you did it again.

Obsessives can't help it... :-)

LHA / WMD

Anonymous wrote in message news:O0FTRUFS38060.5117592593@anonymous...

how's things in colorado, billy, me boy?

Dunno. Haven't been there since about 85.

How are things in la-la land?

Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

Seems to me that at the bottom of it all is the fact that people will pay the
inflated tuitions because colege is seen as an absolute necessity these days.


"Colege?" An MSEE who failed English? :-)

Is a college or university degree necessary for being an radio
amateur?

Is an amateur radio license test equal to a college or university
examination?

Walk the plonk, TAFKARJ...

I seem to remember you using terms like "Atila" and "beligerant" and you
used them more than once, indicating not a typographical error but in
inability to spell the words.

You're quite a fellow, Len.

Dave K8MN

in inability

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


N2EY wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote in message

...


A local bike race decided to try using cell phones as an experiment last
year. The hams were along, with the knowledge that we might be
"redundant in the future. They found out:

Every person had to be called separately. When a message had to go to
the whole group, everyone had to be called.

Those who were out of coverage range did not get the messages.

Coverage over the entire course was pretty bad.

Using cell phones was an immediate and complete failure. they realized
this on the first call that had to go to everyone.


They couldn't figure all that out ahead of time?

Amazingly enough, no! Cell phones are seductive little things. After
all you can call around the world, send pictures of whatever, and even
look up your email on the web with them. So how on earth can such a
wonderful instrument *not* be good at running a race? Imagine, each and
every participant with their own little radio, ready for direct contact.


Well, there you have it: They did not understand their communications needs.

And they really don't have to. Problem is that so many people think
that they are "high-tech" when they use a cell phone or surf the web,
when in truth, they don't know one thing about what they are doing. Ask
the average person about how a cell phone works, or how that computer
works, and odds are they will draw a blank.

That's okay, as knowledge isn't mandated, but if they try to put
together a comm support network with the level of knowledge that they
*do* have, they are more likely than not to suffer failure. In other
words, they are reaching a conclusion with insufficient thought. My
thoughts are to learn to do it correctly, or allow someone that *does*
know to do their job.




- Mike KB3EIA -

N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:


Fortunate that you folks were there.

A young lady that fell and got a pavement rash certainly thought so. We


got there first aid, a repair truck, and back in the race. Year before
that, a fellow had a collision with a rear view mirror on a car and
messed his hand up.


And while maybe it *could* have been done by "professionals", the fact is that
it *was* done by amateurs.

Some folks get all bent out of shape by such plain, simple facts.

Whatever else can be said about hams, in general, they provide
inexpensive and reliable support for public events in which they give
free time to support charities or other nonprofit groups. Not possible
to dispute.

That some people have a problem with that is a bigger statement about
those people than it is about Hams.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...

Ah, but you can do 20 wpm and operate! Wow! Blazing along
at 1/3 the speed of an old, obsolete Model 15 Teletype. Go for
it! :-)

LHA / WMD

Someone musta flipped over his rock.

I don't think so. Mr. Foreign Service Dave just wants attention to
himself so he can order folks around during his misdirectional
postings. He can't come up with any convincing arguments against
morse code test elimination so he loves to bait and misdirect the
NCTA. He wants a Chat Room atmosphere where he can vie
with TAFKARJ for King of the Chat Room.

Mr. Former Service desires attention for himself and his past
involvement in military and civilian radio so he can attempt to impress
mere radio amateurs. As to misdirection, witness the subject of the
L.A. Marathon, introduced by you and your quick change of direction when
confronted by fact.

The PCTA regulars all want to misdirect into Chat Room fights for
ascendency. That way they think they can hurt others by trying
to show they are all expert at NON-amateur radio subjects...and
then hit on others anywhichwaytheycan for speaking against them.

Funny. Are you trying to hurt others by trying to show that you're an
expert IN amateur radio subjects. You seem to hit on others for
speaking against you.

It looks like they want to be the Biggest Rock in a field of pebbles.

When it comes to amateur radio, you have yet to become a pebble.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article m, "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

You left out another block of time. For a large event, there needs to be a
planning/coordination meeting in advance of the marathon that the
communications staff would need to attend. Paid operators won't attend that
for free either.

Were the very first marathons, especially in the Olympic Games,
run by professionals?

The Los Angeles 2004 Marathon used LAPD and LAFD personnel
who are paid all the time. Do they count in your analysis?

Are marathon rules and regulations in Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R.?

Do marathoners and marathon staff need to learn morse code in
order to make the event a success?

Skip the shuck and jive routine, Len. You seem to forget that you told
us that amateur radio wasn't involved in the L.A. Marathon. Fact has
never dissueded you from promoting your view as gospel.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,
writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(N2EY) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article , Alun
writes:

The very first marathons didn't need any ham radio to help them.

No and the Greeks and Persians didn't use any short range bombers during
their wars.

Why do you keep implying that marathons MUST have ham
radio help to be successful?

I didn't see that implied. Don't waffle, Len. You introduced the topic
of the Los Angeles Marathon and you claimed that amateur radio wasn't
involved. It is a good thing you're typing your responses 'cuz you
surely couldn't talk with that foot in your mouth.


You haven't proved anything about ham radio being NECESSARY
to stage and operate any marathon.

That isn't the issue at all. You said that amateur radio WASN'T
involved in a particular marathon. You were dead wrong.


Road Races are run by sports cars on roads.

On tires.

Marathoners run on foot.

On roads.

Try not to be too much like the Schoolmaster who was once
assigned to the far Amana Colonies...

I'm not a schoolmaster and I've never heard of the Amana Colonies. You
might want to make those the subject of one of your frequent lectures.

Dave K8MN