(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Who are the FISTS members on RRAP?
From: (William)
Date: 4/26/2004 5:47 AM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Subject: Who are the FISTS members on RRAP?
From: (William)
Date: 4/25/2004 4:14 PM Central Standard Time
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Given enough time, they'll come around to my way of thinking. One
amateur radio service, one license.

So...you're either a Socialist or a Marxist. Which is it?

Steve, K4YZ

There you go with your extremism again.


And the question remains...Socialist or Marxist? You must be one or the
other in order to hold such concepts.

Steve, K4YZ

You might be a Jihadist to hold such views.

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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[snipped part - not going to play that game any more ]

and I may have some of Jim's comments in here, too ...


Now it has
branched out to a free upgrade to most hams. We are toled that on a
personal level, that "I'll" never support a reduction in the written
exams" and now they are here supporting a reduction in the written
exams. And sorry folks, that "one time adjustment" is spin-us
maximus.

Sorry ... but that's BS ...

Which part?


I can't find anything that is that particular term in my whole
statement. Perhaps he is trying to say that anyone that disagrees with
him is a slinger of such?


No, I was referring to your assertion that we were supporting a
reduction in
the written exams and the "spin-us maximus" stuff. I don't believe
that's
an accurate characterization of the ARRL's proposal or NCI's comments to
the
FCC or my comments here.

['nuther snip]


I agree with ARRL
that to stimulate growth (or even to keep up with dropouts and SKs)
that

we

need a new entry class with meaningful, mainstream privileges that
will

be

interesting enough to bring in newbies (especially kids) and KEEP them
interested in learning and progressing.


Morse Code is mainstream in amateur radio.


Many people's mileage varys on that ...


Kids aren't put off by code tests *or* written tests, in my
experience. And I do have a bit of experience in that area....


You must know different kids than I do ... the vast majority of the ones
I
know couldn't give a rat's backside about learning or using Morse.
However,
geting on HF and talking around the world, experimenting with (and maybe
developing) some new sound card digital modes (ever notice how many kids
are
computer wizzes?) would appeal to them and keep them interested.


Testing = knowledge = bad


No ...

Irrelevant/unnecessary requirements = waste of time/lack of interest =
bad


Hold on Carl. You are putting Jim's and my posts together here. (at
least I think) I support Morse code testing. But if it goes away, I
doubt I'll miss a minute of sleep.

You will note at the top that I said I thought I had inadvertently mixed
in/didn't trim some of Jim's comments.

But I don't think that the tested requirements for General are
irrelevant or unnecessary, etc. I think you were talking about element
one instead of the writtens?

You are correct ...

[snip]


Sure. But that part of the ARRL proposal isn't the problem. And if the
majority of NCI members support NCVEC's "appliance operator" class,
and their "copy of Part 97" idea, will NCI support that, too?


Read the numbers ... the majority of NCI members did NOT support either
the
"commercial gear only for newbies" or the "low voltage finals only for
newbies" proposals from NCVEC - that implies pretty clearly to me that
they
want newbies to be able to tinker, build, modify, and experiment, just
as
did the Novices of our beginning days ...


You're still replying to Jim here. I gave up on the hypothetical
questions a little while ago.

As far as the NCVEC proposal that applicants be required to certify that
they have read and understand the Part 97 rules, most felt that was
reasonable, and so do I. However, the way the question was worded (mea
culpa), it doesn't indicate that that would be a substitute for at least
some rules and regs questions on the written test - just "should folks
certify that they understand the rules."

If you read my *personal* comments, I state what *I* believe (and what I
*honestly* believe in my own heart that most of NCI's members meant and
thought they were answering on that survey question) - that the
certification is OK, but that "... however, it should NOT be viewed as a
replacement for reasonable testing on the basic rules and regulations as
a
part of the examination requirement for licensure."


I don't understand the implication that NCI should somehow "not be

allowed

to" file comments - or why doing so is so frowned on.


Nobody I know says anyone should not be allowed to comment. The
frowning is about the support for lowering of *written* test
standards, which some folks claimed they would *never* support.


Again, it is not "support for lowering of *written* test standards" ...
other than introducing an appropriate test like the Novice test of old
for
beginners, I see no "lowering of written test standards" - the General
and
Extra tests would remain the same. And I would oppose weakening them.

However, for a "one shot adjustment" to align the current licensees with
the
new structure proposed, I personally don't have a problem with the ARRL
proposal.
I think it's the only way to avoid the fiasco that occured 50-some years
ago
when folks lost privileges ... you know about that, and I'm sure you're
aware that there are still some folks around who are very bitter about
it.

I support a system that is basically like what we have now. Only
difference is that Morse code is not tested for AT ALL. I would think
NCI would prefer a system like that instead of one in which there is
still a test for Extra.

The one part of the ARRL proposal that NCI opposes is the "keep the Morse
test for Extra" part.

73,
Carl - wk3c

Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message

I support a system that is basically like what we have now. Only
difference is that Morse code is not tested for AT ALL. I would think
NCI would prefer a system like that instead of one in which there is
still a test for Extra.


The one part of the ARRL proposal that NCI opposes is the "keep the Morse
test for Extra" part.

Do you think my proposal is BS?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Subject: Who are the FISTS members on RRAP?
From: "KØHB"
Date: 4/26/2004 9:21 AM Central Standard Time
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PS: Please quit quoting the Crockstar so profusely. It allows
him to evade my Bozo Bin when someone else quotes him.

If it's a "Bozo Bin", how do you see your OWN posts, Pops?

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Who are the FISTS members on RRAP?
From: (William)
Date: 4/26/2004 4:48 PM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Your suggestion of "one license fits all" is the very epitome of
socialism, Brian.

OK, you've pigeon-holed it as Socialism.

Again I ask you, Socialist or Marxist?

Since you've already pigeon-holed my idea as Socialist, why do you ask
such a stupid question?

I haven't pigeon-holed anything.

I asked you a question about your views which I said are the "epitome" of
socialism. You then decried it as "extremist" and got very defensive rather
than explain why you think this "one licnese fits all" idea would work.

I can tell you in ONE sentence why it WOULDN'T...It wouldn't fulfil the
requirements of Part 97.1, Basis and Purpose.

Because you're not happy enough to call me a Socialist, you've got to
call me a Marxist, too!

Did I say that you tend toward extremes?

I asked you a question which you've chose to become argumentive about
rather than discuss like a man.

Your problem, Brian, not mine.

You COULD have just explained your position...Instead you resorted to
Sandlot 101.

Teach that in the Scouts, do you? I am sure you are the milestone against
which leaders are hallmarked.

Let me 'splain it to you Steve.

In Socialism, there are two license classes. A class for the masses,
and a class for the governmental elitists.

In Marxism, there is one license class. A class for the governmental
elitists.

And you are which...?!?! (Do I need to ask a FOURTH time...????)

Steve, K4YZ

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
news


Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message

I support a system that is basically like what we have now. Only
difference is that Morse code is not tested for AT ALL. I would think
NCI would prefer a system like that instead of one in which there is
still a test for Extra.


The one part of the ARRL proposal that NCI opposes is the "keep the
Morse
test for Extra" part.

Do you think my proposal is BS?

- Mike KB3EIA -

You are free to have your own views/proposals. I didn't say they were BS
.... I was ONLY talking about the assertion that NCI was "supporting a
reduction in written test requirements" and your "spin" comments.

Carl - wk3c

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Who are the FISTS members on RRAP?
From: (William)
Date: 4/26/2004 4:48 PM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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Your suggestion of "one license fits all" is the very epitome of
socialism, Brian.

OK, you've pigeon-holed it as Socialism.

Again I ask you, Socialist or Marxist?

Since you've already pigeon-holed my idea as Socialist, why do you ask
such a stupid question?

I haven't pigeon-holed anything.

I asked you a question about your views which I said are the "epitome" of
socialism. You then decried it as "extremist" and got very defensive rather
than explain why you think this "one licnese fits all" idea would work.

I can tell you in ONE sentence why it WOULDN'T...It wouldn't fulfil the
requirements of Part 97.1, Basis and Purpose.

Because you're not happy enough to call me a Socialist, you've got to
call me a Marxist, too!

Did I say that you tend toward extremes?

I asked you a question which you've chose to become argumentive about
rather than discuss like a man.

Your problem, Brian, not mine.

You COULD have just explained your position...Instead you resorted to
Sandlot 101.

Teach that in the Scouts, do you? I am sure you are the milestone against
which leaders are hallmarked.

Let me 'splain it to you Steve.

In Socialism, there are two license classes. A class for the masses,
and a class for the governmental elitists.

In Marxism, there is one license class. A class for the governmental
elitists.

And you are which...?!?! (Do I need to ask a FOURTH time...????)

Steve, K4YZ

Inflamatory questions won't be answered.

Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
news

Carl R. Stevenson wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message

I support a system that is basically like what we have now. Only
difference is that Morse code is not tested for AT ALL. I would think
NCI would prefer a system like that instead of one in which there is
still a test for Extra.


The one part of the ARRL proposal that NCI opposes is the "keep the

Morse

test for Extra" part.

Do you think my proposal is BS?

- Mike KB3EIA -


You are free to have your own views/proposals. I didn't say they were BS
... I was ONLY talking about the assertion that NCI was "supporting a
reduction in written test requirements" and your "spin" comments.

But do you think my proposal will work? We have a number of years of
operation under such a system, and I have not heard of any problems with
the database administration of the orphan licensees.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Subject: Who are the FISTS members on RRAP?
From: (William)
Date: 4/27/2004 7:24 AM Central Standard Time
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(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
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And you are which...?!?! (Do I need to ask a FOURTH time...????)

Steve, K4YZ

Inflamatory questions won't be answered.

So far that's been just about ANY question put to you.

I guess your brief slip into lucidity has waned and it's back to being
"Brain" again.

Steve, K4YZ

(WA8ULX) wrote in message ...


I cant believe you guys bought that line of BS.


Especially when there are more believable things to buy into.

Like "passing the Extra Exam on a lark, in under 8 minutes, without
error, without studying, and collecting $250."

I'll stick with NCI.