"KØHB" wrote in message
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"garigue" wrote

There have been many a VE out there who has taken his
significant other out for a "night on the town" after a
VE session.

I take K0CKB out for a "night on the town" anytime I damned well please,
but it has nothing to do with funds from a VE session.

If you can prove your accusation, then the FCC will be greatly
interested in hearing from you.

On the other hand, it's my guess that you're full of
male-bovine-fecal-matter up to your eyeballs, and somebody ought to
stomp a mudhole between them for your slander.

With all kind wishes,

de Hans, K0HB


In other words Hans you are telling me that absolutely no money other than
the legal "fees" EVER passes between tester and testee under our completely
lilly white VE system. If you believe that one then you are the one that is
in need of a bovine cleanout. It seems to me ..correct me if I am wrong
....that there have been instances where there were people recalled for
testing due to "irregularities". The testing system even under the FCC was
misused by fellows who
where "ghost" testees. Did I also say that all VEs were on the free ticket
take? Nope .......so Hans don't get your shorts in a knot and keep taking
the XYL out for dinner .....

God Bless ..73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa ...VE-21219

There have been many a VE out there who has taken
his significant other out for a "night on the town" after a VE session.
Why would some guys drive for a hundred miles to "take" a test when
tests are locally offered ???

Dare I say shenanigans ....... ??????

73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa.




You do realise that the max that can be claimed back is a percentage of
the
test fee?

Yep there Alun ...I was referring not to the legal percentage that can be
charged but to the "selling" of tickets via questionable testing practices.
Again this is something that did happen even under the FCC testing via
shills taking the tests and the conditional cheating. Call me jaded or
whatever ...but I firmly believe that some where out there a ticket can be
purchased . BTW Alun ...stop by if your heading this way.

God Bless 73 Tom Popovic KI3R Belle Vernon Pa.

Zounds, Tom!!! I doubt that the proceeds from most tests would cover
much of a night out on the town, once the VEC gets it's cut. Then you
have the other VE's to split the booty with...... Heck, I doubt you
could eat at Arby's by the end of the malfeasance.

I think that there are ways to cheat even with the trinity of examineers ...


All endeavors have the occasional bad egg, but at every test I ever
attended - there were 4 of them - the VE's seemed as honest as can be,
plus some of them that I personally knew are in no doubt as to their
honesty.

No doubt there Mike that the perponderance of testing is on the level ....
our "profit", if we can call it that, goes into the general club fund for
educational materials.



And FWIW, I live in State College PA.

Neat place ..my daughter graduated from there in 01 ....If you see Jim
Breakall tell him I said hi ..haven't seen him since highschool ...

I took my Technician test in Williamsport, over an hour away.

I took my General test in Butler PA, a two hour + drive

Probably at the hamfest there ...those fellows do a real nice job ...

I took my Element 1 test in State College PA (flunked it at Butler)

Flunked my advanced the first time ...missed it by 2 ....like a teacher of
mine once said ..close only counts in horseshoes and handgrandes.

I took my Extra test at Lock Haven, around an hour drive.

Basically the reason that I traveled to the tests was because that was
where a test was taking place when I had the time to take the test.

Can understand that Mike .....

- Mike KB3EIA

God Bless 73 ...Tom KI3R

"Phil Kane" wrote in message
et...
On Sat, 15 May 2004 22:37:12 GMT, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

After all someone has to be able to talk to those Russians and her ex
slave
countries.

What makes you think that real CW ops won't learn/use manual Morse
if the mandatory testing requirement is dropped?

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane


Because people are basically lazy and most likely won't bother. Unless a
ham that knows and loves CW is his Elmer.

Dan/W4NTI

"Alun" wrote in message
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"Phil Kane" wrote in
et:

On Sat, 15 May 2004 22:37:12 GMT, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

After all someone has to be able to talk to those Russians and her ex
slave countries.

What makes you think that real CW ops won't learn/use manual Morse
if the mandatory testing requirement is dropped?

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane




I might even use it if the test is dropped! Some of these guys are
terrified that they will have no-one to work. Not that I would want to
work
Dan, who is on record as saying that all phone ops are lids..

Good Hams that know CW are more than willing to reduce speed (QRS). In fact
real CW ops know that it is idiotic to keep sending faster than your contact
can receive. It's a waste of time.

As for you not wanting to talk to me for saying my opinion of phone only
ops. That's ur choice Alun. And your loss. You would enjoy working W4NTI
on CW.

Dan/W4NTI

"KØHB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Alun" wrote

Not that I would want to work
Dan, who is on record as saying
that all phone ops are lids..

You must be mistaken. I just checked my log and I've worked W4NTI
dozens of times over the past few years. Nearly half of the Q's were on
SSB (I think that mode qualifies as "phone".) Certainly Dan wouldn't
work people he considers "lids".

Good luck on this one now!

73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID



Thank you Hans,

I actually do consider ALUN a lid. Because he has stated he is a phone
operator ONLY. To me that is a lid.

Dan/W4NTI

"William" wrote in message
om...
"KØHB" wrote in message
nk.net...
"Alun" wrote

Not that I would want to work
Dan, who is on record as saying
that all phone ops are lids..

You must be mistaken. I just checked my log and I've worked W4NTI
dozens of times over the past few years. Nearly half of the Q's were on
SSB (I think that mode qualifies as "phone".) Certainly Dan wouldn't
work people he considers "lids".

Good luck on this one now!

73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID

That would make Dan a self-declared lid.

Not really. I operate phone, have so for years. It's just that if that is
ALL you do in ham radio, I think your a LID.

LID = Poor Operator

Dan/W4NTI

"Alun" wrote in message
...

Back when I was giving CW tests for the license exams I used a key and
a oscillator. So there is your arguement shot down.

Dan/W4NTI




You'll have to do better than that

I understand it is difficult for you to understand how it is to be a real
ham. You know one that knows and uses other modes than phone.

Again you will simply have to learn to deal with that Alun. I am sure you
will find someone out there that will agree, and simpathize with you and
your problem. However, I am not that person.

Have a good day.

Dan/W4NTI

garigue wrote:

Neat place ..my daughter graduated from there in 01 ....If you see Jim
Breakall tell him I said hi ..haven't seen him since highschool ...

Oh yeah, I see Jim all the time!

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article .net,
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com writes:

"Alun" wrote in message
. ..

Back when I was giving CW tests for the license exams I used a key and
a oscillator. So there is your arguement shot down.

Dan/W4NTI

You'll have to do better than that

I understand it is difficult for you to understand how it is to be a real
ham. You know one that knows and uses other modes than phone.

Poor baby. Therapy not coming along well, is it?

"Real ham" = One who abides by 1930s standards and practices

This is the year 2004, over 6 decades later.


Again you will simply have to learn to deal with that Alun. I am sure you
will find someone out there that will agree, and simpathize with you and
your problem. However, I am not that person.

We can sense your differences. And bigotry. And frustration.

Without the telegraphy test, an Amateur Extra has no real
self-perceived elitism over all other amateurs. It must be a
great blow to self-esteem to face the loss of status and rank.

Have a good day.

Interesting. A Noo Yawker from the "south." :-)

LHA / WMD