(William) wrote in message . com...
Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:

(N2EY) wrote in message . com...
TeleTech wrote in message ...


Do people put the /W4 on their QSL cards, etc?
Is this a big deal these days?

No and no.


Maybe, maybe not. Depends if the portable designation makes you a
different "country." If you were portable KL7 or KH6 or even KP4, I'd
definitely put that on my card. Even if it weren't antoher country,
I'd still put it on my card.

bb

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

Dave K8MN

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

Who, exactly, did ever get one?

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact there.

w3rv

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Yeah, sort of like T5/N0IMD. Just put it on a card.

I did. But you're not in that log book so you don't get one. Sorry.

We don't know that the logbook exists.

I think it does.

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say on 2
meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us to
use the radio sets.

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?



73 de Jim, N2EY

TeleTech wrote

What is the accepted practice relative to identifying the call area when
one has moved permanently, given that the FCC does not assign a new call
when one moves out of their area?

Whatever works for you. The FCC has implicitly acknowledged that we
are a mobile society and that we become 'attached' to our callsigns
sort of as a second name, so changing calls just because we've moved
makes no more sense than changing our name just because we've moved.
Just sign your call as issued without 'attachments'.

73, de Hans, K0HB/4ID

Hans K0HB wrote:




Whatever works for you. The FCC has implicitly acknowledged that we
are a mobile society and that we become 'attached' to our callsigns
sort of as a second name, so changing calls just because we've moved
makes no more sense than changing our name just because we've moved.


Never quite understood it, but it used to be that a callsign belonged to
the "station" and
not the operator, or something like that. Once it happened many years
ago that two
brothers got licenses but the FCC gave out only one callsign, as they
used the same
"station". The FCC recently decided to change that theory to one that
more closely
matches the way hams think of their callsigns. That a ham "owns" a
callsign and uses
it on whatever ham equipment he happens to be using at the moment. If I
borrow your
ham shack, I would still use my callsign. Once I'm satisfied that your
equipment works
correctly. "Looks like a kenwood TS440SAT, receives like one, and seems
to transmit
like it should."

Thanks for all of the, um, "feedback", folks!

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Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/5/2004 6:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

Why? Because he "said so"...?!?!

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say on
2
meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us to
use the radio sets.

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?

Sure you can...ie: Antarctica

However even there there are international agreements on who can grant what
authority, to whom, and under what circumstances.

Brain was allegedly in a military unit under United Nations auspices, and
it seems he did NOTHING to get the PROPER authorizations to do what he CLAIMED
to do.

He won't even provide us with the callsign of ONE station he "worked"
while in Somalia.

No proof = Didn't happen.

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (William)
Date: 6/5/2004 9:45 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact
there.

Funny.

You kept logs from Guam, a semi-rare but hardly unique location, yet you
"lost" your logs from a once-in-a-lifetime locale.

How inept.

Steve, K4YZ

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (Steve Robeson K4CAP)
Date: 06 Jun 2004 13:21:45 GMT

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/5/2004 6:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

Why? Because he "said so"...?!?!

That's one reason. Lacking any proof to the contrary, I'm not going to call
someone a liar.

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say
on 2 meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us
to use the radio sets.

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?

Sure you can...ie: Antarctica

Well, there you have it. It could have happened, and all of the above-named
conditions would have been met.

However even there there are international agreements on who can grant
what authority, to whom, and under what circumstances.

Of course. I didn't say such operation would be 100% in agreement with
international requirements, just that it could happen.

Brain was allegedly in a military unit under United Nations auspices,
and
it seems he did NOTHING to get the PROPER authorizations to do what he
CLAIMED to do.

Maybe. But that has no bearing on whether the alleged /T5 operation took place,
whether logbooks existed, and whether QSLs were exchanged.

Remember that all it would take to meet all of these conditions would be one
QSO in a ham band using stateside calls and portable designation.

He won't even provide us with the callsign of ONE station he "worked"
while in Somalia.

Of course not. Same goes for bands/modes/antennas/rigs used. But the lack of
detail doesn't mean the alleged operation didn't happen.

The lack of detail is a different issue completely.

No proof = Didn't happen.

Not at all.

No proof = Reasonable doubt.

Nothing more or less.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: (William)
Date: 6/5/2004 9:45 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

I could send you another N0IMD/KH2 card, though. You're a legit contact
there.

Funny.

You kept logs from Guam, a semi-rare but hardly unique location, yet you
"lost" your logs from a once-in-a-lifetime locale.

Where are nursie's logs from Okinawa?

No proof = Nothing happened.

Where are nursie's other claims?

No proof = Nothing happened.

[are you calling continued "meaningful discussions' in here as one of
those "hostile actions?" :-) ]

How inept.

As Yoda would say, "How meaningful your discussions are not..."

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: Call Area Etiquette
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 6/5/2004 6:59 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

We don't know that T5/N0IMD existed.

I think it did.

Why? Because he "said so"...?!?!

No one seems to have worked it. It doesn't show up in packet
cluster records. It doesn't show up in DXCC applications. You must
have cancelled everything through Google.

Maybe.

Or consider this:

Suppose you and I found ourselves in a place with no functioning government.

Suppose we had radio sets capable of operation on amateur frequencies. Say on
2 meters, or 440, or 6 meters, or whatever.

Suppose whatever authority existed there at the time said it was OK for us to
use the radio sets.

Could we not work each other and use our stateside callsigns?

Could we not keep logbooks and exchange QSL cards?

Sure you can...ie: Antarctica

When are you leaving for this DX hot-spot? :-)

However even there there are international agreements on who can grant
what
authority, to whom, and under what circumstances.

The ITU doesn't list nursie as one of those "authorities." :-)

Brain was allegedly in a military unit under United Nations auspices, and
it seems he did NOTHING to get the PROPER authorizations to do what he
CLAIMED to do.

Nursie has claimed a LOT of things in here and NEVER offered any
"proof."

[190 proof doesn't count...]

He won't even provide us with the callsign of ONE station he "worked"
while in Somalia.

No proof = Didn't happen.

No proof of "hostile actions" = Didn't happen.

No proof of all those ham claims = Didn't happen.

Your "proofing filter" is mistuned...