"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in message news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197@fed1read07...
The police and other civil entities used many different variants across
country
From URL:
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html

Used by police in New York City:

Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom
Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra

[Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow]


Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York:

Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida
John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam
Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra


Used by police in San Diego, California:

Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit
Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra
--
Keyboard In The Noise

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"right on"

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Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics?


"In 1956 the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) adopted the
ICAO phonetic alphabet. Today it is THE worldwide standard for
military, naval, civilian aeronautical and maritime, search and rescue
groups, public safety, (law enforcement being an exception); and...the
A.R.R.L."

http://www.emcomm.org/svares/trainin...10_30_2001.htm

http://vatusa.org/training/study_guides/voc1.html

w3rv

Alun wrote in message . ..
"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197
@fed1read07:

The police and other civil entities used many different variants across
country
From URL:
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html

Used by police in New York City:

Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom
Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra

[Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow]


Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York:

Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida
John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam
Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra


Used by police in San Diego, California:

Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit
Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra
--
Keyboard In The Noise

Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown but
"right on"

-------------------------------------
Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics?





There's only one correct international set of phonetics -

Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India Juliet Kilo Lima
Mike Novenber Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whisky X-
ray Yankee Zulu

I have a P at the end of my US call, and that is the one letter that causes
me problems. Papa is supposed to be pronounced the British way, not the
American way, so as to be correct (don't blame me, all the phonetics have
only one official pronounciation, and that happens to be it). As a Brit
operating from America, I find that when I do so, people copy it as
'Japan', hence converting my call from N3KIP to N3KIJ in the mind of the
DX.

Now, I understand that anyone is free to use whatever phonetics they like,
but 'Japan' is a bad one, as it sounds too much like the official way of
saying 'Papa', at least through QRM, although not like the way Americans
say it. Unfortunately it is common to use country names as phonetics. No
doubt 'Papa' was a bad choice originally, as there is more than one way of
saying it, but I can't do much about that.

I have tried using 'Pacific' or 'Peter', both of which seem to be common. I
have also tried saying 'Papa' the American way, although there is
considerable irony in that, i.e. for me that is both putting on a foreign
accent and departing from the official way of saying it, which happens to
be the way that is natural for me to begin with!

I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet:

ahoy
boy
coy
dee
eee
flew
glue
hoy
igloo
joy
koi
lew
moo
noy
oy
poise
quoi
roy
soy
toy
upper
viceroy
double upper
ex
why
zee

Using your fenetics
Ahoy Boy Why Toy

with a perfectly good well accepted international phonetic set

Quoi Soy Lew

Available at all Chinese resturants and B & W Root Beer Stands


--
Lamont Cranston

The Shadow Knows
------------------------------
Some one wrote
I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet:

ahoy
boy
coy
dee
eee
flew
glue
hoy
igloo
joy
koi
lew
moo
noy
oy
poise
quoi
roy
soy
toy
upper
viceroy
double upper
ex
why
zee

In article ,
(William) writes:

I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet:

ahoy
boy
coy
...

Heh heh heh. I wonder how many uptight newsgroupies in here
will think you are serious? :-)

In article ,
(Brian Kelly) writes:

"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in message
news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197@fed1read07...
The police and other civil entities used many different variants across
country
From URL:
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html

Used by police in New York City:

Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom
Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra

[Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow]

Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York:

Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida
John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam
Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra

Used by police in San Diego, California:

Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit
Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra
--
Keyboard In The Noise

Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown but
"right on"

-------------------------------------
Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics?


"In 1956 the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) adopted the
ICAO phonetic alphabet. Today it is THE worldwide standard for
military, naval, civilian aeronautical and maritime, search and rescue
groups, public safety, (law enforcement being an exception); and...the
A.R.R.L."

http://www.emcomm.org/svares/trainin...10_30_2001.htm

http://vatusa.org/training/study_guides/voc1.html

Kellie should note that the U.S. MILITARY adopted the NATO
phonetic alphabet in 1955, not 1956. [as one who was IN the
U.S. Army at the time, and in radio communications work, I am
quite familiar with that adoption, about as first-hand as one can
get (without shooting off his catapult)]

1955 was 49 years ago.

Is Kellie POSITIVE the ARRL adopted the NATO phonetic
alphabet 49 years ago? Or even 48 years ago?

The ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) may also
have selected the NATO phonetic alphabet in 1955, rather than
1956, but I expect a lot of outraged protests on that... :-)

I do know it is NOT the "ICAO phonetic alphabet" except for a
bunch of anti-military peacenik hardliners will never admit to the
existance of NATO, therefore they want to rename it for "ICAO."

Kellie will now start mumbling "putz" and other Yiddish
endearments... :-)

LHA / WMD

No problem Jim, I am one of those that is required to use the APCO (or
damned close similarity) phonetics in both of what I do for a living. As a
ham I am required to use the ITU phonetics.......

I am first to admit, every once in a while the two different phonetic groups
do get intermingled...... not on purpose though.

Ryan KC8PMX


"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
...
Yep, Ryan

10 years ago I went for a civil service exam. They asked both phonetic
alphabets (alpha bravo charlie delta echo foxtrot ... and adam baker
charlie
david edward ... etc). I scored 100% with no veterens' points. I wasn't
even called. I assumed it had something to do with age.

I figured something out. About 1 year ago, a shift supervisor asked me if
I
could copy one of his report's resume into the computer. As I proceeded
to
type the resume into the computer he was flabbergasted. "What the heck!
You aren't even looking at the monitor!" Yawn.

Of course. I have typed 65 words per minute on a manual typewriter and
over
90 words per minute on a 100 word per minute teletype machine. I have
copied 40 words per minute perfect copy for a number of minutes (a full
page
of typewritten copy) in the Navy on a manual typewriter (the fastest speed
they had on tape at Bainbridge, MD).

I was asked when I was looking for a job some years ago if I had ever used
a
computer. I won't repeat what I said. Well, maybe. I asked "did you
read
the f*ck*ng resume? I've been programming PCs and mainframes for three
years! I walked out on them. I have come to the conclusion that I no
longer care.

I was even called "elitist", which I am not. I am just fed up with
certain
things that are happening. I wish we all could just get along ....

One guy had a problem on a repeater. He was squawking about the need for
CW. So .... I switched to F2 emission (or whatever they want to call it
....
I no longer worry about it). I was gentle. I only sent about 40 words
per
minute. I could have sent 55. Maybe 60, but it wouldn't have been good
code at that point.

My new attitude is "do whatever you want, just make sure you want it".
Raise, call or fold.

BTW, I've never heard of "boy" being one of the recognized phonetics.

I think I'm developing an attitude

BTW, no slam intended. I just would like some of the folks in the
newsgroup
to understand what is going on with some of us older folks who are still
to
young to retire. This is absolutely *not* aimed at you.

Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Just for kicks and giggles..... what about those who in their line of
work
are required to know APCO phonetics?? (Adam, Boy, Charlie/Charles etc.)

Ryan KC8PMX


Yeah.....something like that belongs in a beginners columb like 'Your
Novice
Accent' .. Oh excuse me. They cancelled that one years ago. I
guess
that
means most of the readers of QST are novice equivilants ? Hmmmmmmmm

Make your own conclusions there.

Dan/W4NTI






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William wrote:
Alun wrote in message . ..

"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197
@fed1read07:


The police and other civil entities used many different variants across
country
From URL:
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html

Used by police in New York City:

Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom
Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra

[Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow]


Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York:

Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida
John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam
Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra


Used by police in San Diego, California:

Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit
Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra
--
Keyboard In The Noise

Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown but
"right on"

-------------------------------------

Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics?




There's only one correct international set of phonetics -

Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India Juliet Kilo Lima
Mike Novenber Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whisky X-
ray Yankee Zulu

I have a P at the end of my US call, and that is the one letter that causes
me problems. Papa is supposed to be pronounced the British way, not the
American way, so as to be correct (don't blame me, all the phonetics have
only one official pronounciation, and that happens to be it). As a Brit
operating from America, I find that when I do so, people copy it as
'Japan', hence converting my call from N3KIP to N3KIJ in the mind of the
DX.

Now, I understand that anyone is free to use whatever phonetics they like,
but 'Japan' is a bad one, as it sounds too much like the official way of
saying 'Papa', at least through QRM, although not like the way Americans
say it. Unfortunately it is common to use country names as phonetics. No
doubt 'Papa' was a bad choice originally, as there is more than one way of
saying it, but I can't do much about that.

I have tried using 'Pacific' or 'Peter', both of which seem to be common. I
have also tried saying 'Papa' the American way, although there is
considerable irony in that, i.e. for me that is both putting on a foreign
accent and departing from the official way of saying it, which happens to
be the way that is natural for me to begin with!


I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet:

ahoy
boy
coy
dee
eee
flew
glue
hoy
igloo
joy
koi
lew
moo
noy
oy
poise
quoi
roy
soy
toy
upper
viceroy
double upper
ex
why
zee

lessee, koi boy three eee igloo ahoy?

Howl!

This is a darn funny Phonetic, Brian

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote

As a ham I am required to use the ITU phonetics.......

No you're not.

Regardless of the article in QST, there is no requirement for hams to
use the ICAO phonetics. You are free to use whatever phonetics you
wish, or none at all if that strikes your fancy.

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
SOC #291 http://www.qsl.net/soc

Alun wrote:


I have a P at the end of my US call,

Me too, sometimes, especially if I've been drinking coffee.

- Mike KB3EIA -

KØHB wrote:
"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote


As a ham I am required to use the ITU phonetics.......


No you're not.

Regardless of the article in QST, there is no requirement for hams to
use the ICAO phonetics. You are free to use whatever phonetics you
wish, or none at all if that strikes your fancy.

I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a
person's call better if they just SAY it. Of course that only goes for
the languages I recognize.


- Mike -