"Mike Coslo" wrote


I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a
person's call better if they just SAY it.


Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much
needed.

Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and
readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and
dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international place
names.

A......AMERICA
B......BRAZIL
C......CANADA
D......DENMARK
E......ENGLAND
F......FRANCE
G.....GERMANY
H.....HONOLULU
I.......ITALY
J......JAPAN
K......KILOWATT
L......LONDON
M......MEXICO
N......NORWAY
O......ONTARIO
P......PORTUGAL
Q......QUEBEC
R......RADIO
S......SANTIAGO
T......TOKYO
U......UNITED
V...... VICTORIA
W......WASHINGTON
X......X-RAY
Y......YOKOHAMA
Z...... ZANZIBAR

73, de Hans, K0HB

Mike Coslo wrote in
:

William wrote:
Alun wrote in message
. ..

"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in
news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197 @fed1read07:


The police and other civil entities used many different variants
across country From URL:
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html

Used by police in New York City:

Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom
Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra

[Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow]


Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York:

Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida
John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam
Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra


Used by police in San Diego, California:

Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit
Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra --
Keyboard In The Noise

Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown
but "right on"

-------------------------------------

Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics?




There's only one correct international set of phonetics -

Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India Juliet Kilo
Lima Mike Novenber Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo Sierra Tango Uniform Victor
Whisky X- ray Yankee Zulu

I have a P at the end of my US call, and that is the one letter that
causes me problems. Papa is supposed to be pronounced the British way,
not the American way, so as to be correct (don't blame me, all the
phonetics have only one official pronounciation, and that happens to
be it). As a Brit operating from America, I find that when I do so,
people copy it as 'Japan', hence converting my call from N3KIP to
N3KIJ in the mind of the DX.

Now, I understand that anyone is free to use whatever phonetics they
like, but 'Japan' is a bad one, as it sounds too much like the
official way of saying 'Papa', at least through QRM, although not like
the way Americans say it. Unfortunately it is common to use country
names as phonetics. No doubt 'Papa' was a bad choice originally, as
there is more than one way of saying it, but I can't do much about
that.

I have tried using 'Pacific' or 'Peter', both of which seem to be
common. I have also tried saying 'Papa' the American way, although
there is considerable irony in that, i.e. for me that is both putting
on a foreign accent and departing from the official way of saying it,
which happens to be the way that is natural for me to begin with!


I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet:

ahoy
boy
coy
dee
eee
flew
glue
hoy
igloo
joy
koi
lew
moo
noy
oy
poise
quoi
roy
soy
toy
upper
viceroy
double upper
ex
why
zee

lessee, koi boy three eee igloo ahoy?

Howl!

This is a darn funny Phonetic, Brian


noy three koi igloo poise

Mike Coslo wrote in news:e96dna0OaelVrlfdRVn-
:



Alun wrote:


I have a P at the end of my US call,

Me too, sometimes, especially if I've been drinking coffee.

- Mike KB3EIA -



Or beer

"KØHB" wrote in news:7Aryc.2100$Wr.1723
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:


"Mike Coslo" wrote


I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a
person's call better if they just SAY it.


Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much
needed.

Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and
readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and
dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international place
names.

A......AMERICA
B......BRAZIL
C......CANADA
D......DENMARK
E......ENGLAND
F......FRANCE
G.....GERMANY
H.....HONOLULU
I.......ITALY
J......JAPAN
K......KILOWATT
L......LONDON
M......MEXICO
N......NORWAY
O......ONTARIO
P......PORTUGAL
Q......QUEBEC
R......RADIO
S......SANTIAGO
T......TOKYO
U......UNITED
V...... VICTORIA
W......WASHINGTON
X......X-RAY
Y......YOKOHAMA
Z...... ZANZIBAR

73, de Hans, K0HB





I already explained that Japan is suceptible of confusion with Papa.
Jamaica would be better.

In article t, "KØHB"
writes:

there is no requirement for hams to
use the ICAO phonetics. You are free to use whatever phonetics you
wish, or none at all if that strikes your fancy.

That's true as long as the phonetics used don't obscure the meaning of words or
the actual callsign.

73 de Jim, November Two Echo Yankee

On 11 Jun 2004 20:27:22 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

snip

1955 was 49 years ago.

Unfortunately true, as I was reminded on my birthday back in May....

snip

LHA / WMD

73, Leo

"Alun" wrote in message
...
"KØHB" wrote in news:7Aryc.2100$Wr.1723
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:


"Mike Coslo" wrote


I often don't. I don't know about other hams, but I can make out a
person's call better if they just SAY it.


Absolutely! Under most conditions the use of phonetics isn't much
needed.

Interestingly, in the amateur radio activities where speed and
readability under marginal conditions count the most (contesting and
dx'ing), the predominate phonetic set mostly uses international
place
names.

A......AMERICA
B......BRAZIL
C......CANADA
D......DENMARK
E......ENGLAND
F......FRANCE
G.....GERMANY
H.....HONOLULU
I.......ITALY
J......JAPAN
K......KILOWATT
L......LONDON
M......MEXICO
N......NORWAY
O......ONTARIO
P......PORTUGAL
Q......QUEBEC
R......RADIO
S......SANTIAGO
T......TOKYO
U......UNITED
V...... VICTORIA
W......WASHINGTON
X......X-RAY
Y......YOKOHAMA
Z...... ZANZIBAR

73, de Hans, K0HB





I already explained that Japan is suceptible of confusion with Papa.
Jamaica would be better.

But it hasn't ever been confused with Portugal.

You are free to use Jamaica if you wish, but most experienced contesters
will have to do a mental double-clutch to copy you. There goes your
Q-rate spiraling down the crapper.

73, de Hans, K0HB
Hamming for 45 years this month, and it just keeps getting better.

"N2EY" wrote

That's true as long as the phonetics used don't obscure the meaning of
words or
the actual callsign.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

73, de Hans, Kilowatt-Zero-Handsome Boy

(William) wrote in message . com...
Alun wrote in message . ..
"Keyboard In The Noise" wrote in news:%a6yc.37193$tI2.19197
@fed1read07:

The police and other civil entities used many different variants across
country
From URL:
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html

Used by police in New York City:

Adam Boy Charlie David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam Tom
Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra

[Variants: Eddie Larry Nancy Thomas Yankee Yellow]


Used by police in Nassau County, Long Island, New York:

Adam Boston Chicago Denver Edward Frank George Henry Ida
John King Lincoln Mary Nancy Ocean Peter Queen Robert Sam
Thomas Union Victor William X-ray Young Zebra


Used by police in San Diego, California:

Adam Boy Charles David Edward Frank George Henry Ida John
King Lincoln Mary Nora Ocean Paul Queen Robert Sam Tom Unit
Victor William Xray Yellow Zebra
--
Keyboard In The Noise

Opinions are the cheapest commodities in the world. Author unknown but
"right on"

-------------------------------------
Don't the police and other services use the APCO phonetics?





There's only one correct international set of phonetics -

Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Foxtrot Golf Hotel India Juliet Kilo Lima
Mike Novenber Oscar Papa Quebec Romeo Sierra Tango Uniform Victor Whisky X-
ray Yankee Zulu

I have a P at the end of my US call, and that is the one letter that causes
me problems. Papa is supposed to be pronounced the British way, not the
American way, so as to be correct (don't blame me, all the phonetics have
only one official pronounciation, and that happens to be it). As a Brit
operating from America, I find that when I do so, people copy it as
'Japan', hence converting my call from N3KIP to N3KIJ in the mind of the
DX.

Now, I understand that anyone is free to use whatever phonetics they like,
but 'Japan' is a bad one, as it sounds too much like the official way of
saying 'Papa', at least through QRM, although not like the way Americans
say it. Unfortunately it is common to use country names as phonetics. No
doubt 'Papa' was a bad choice originally, as there is more than one way of
saying it, but I can't do much about that.

I have tried using 'Pacific' or 'Peter', both of which seem to be common. I
have also tried saying 'Papa' the American way, although there is
considerable irony in that, i.e. for me that is both putting on a foreign
accent and departing from the official way of saying it, which happens to
be the way that is natural for me to begin with!

I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet:

ahoy
boy
coy
dee
eee
flew
glue
hoy
igloo
joy
koi
lew
moo
noy
oy
poise
quoi
roy
soy
toy
upper
viceroy
double upper
ex
why
zee


You din read the book didja?

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

I'm going to start a new fenetic alfabet:

ahoy
boy
coy
...

Heh heh heh. I wonder how many uptight newsgroupies in here
will think you are serious? :-)



Welp, if the air traffic controllers adopt it...

;^)