Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: "KØHB"
Date: 6/18/2004 6:36 PM Central Standard Time
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"Len Over 21" wrote

Except for Heil, none of the regulars were involved in
any big-time radio communications experience.

Sunuvagun!

Not true, but hey, if it makes an old man feel good, let him think it...

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/17/2004 4:45 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Meanwhile, if I ever find out what's holding me down on the anti-
gravity invention, I will rise above it all.

You mean walking on water wasn't enough...?!?!?

Jesus Christ, NO...

I am not Jesus Christ, Lennie...It's "Steve".

Confused again...?!?! I am not surprised.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Putzcussionist of the Rock-head group Grateful Dood) writes:

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue"...From the
archived mistruths of an ex radio technician parading about as an engineer,
Leonard H. Anderson.

Was the SINCGARS family of radios ever mentioned? ...(SNIPPED)

There are a LOT of military radio systems and equipment NOT mentioned
in
Amateur media...and byt eh same token most of those systems are NOT mentions
in a great many professional journals, either...! ! ! ! !

Hmmm...General Dynamics as well as ITT make a quarter million
radio sets over a period of 15 years and it is "not" mentioned in
any professional journals?!?!?

I didn't say "ever", Your Wimpiness.

Your point?

There's quite a bit of FREE information out there for anyone to
find out about military or government radio systems and
communications. Been there for a long time, even before the
Internet went public such as the SINCGARS.

Great.

Then all those Amateurs who ARE interested in military communications
DON'T have to depend on QST, et al to discuss them.

A QUARTER MILLION radio sets of one kind makes for some
future surplus market, doesn't it? [that's the most of any one
kind of radio system in government history...]

Sure it does. And "surplus" radio gear has NOT been the preferred method
of getting on the air by Amateurs for TWO DECADES....Not when folks can buy
brand new, under warranty equipment for under $200.

If poor nursie is annoyed at not being spoon-fed enough info
through hum radio magazines, then he should not try to mean-
mouth those who know about such things. Tsk, tsk.

Perhaps if you HAD been reading those Amateur magazines you'd understand a
bit more about what you are talking about.

But you go right on ahead, Lennie...


Tsk, tsk, tsk. Nursie getting all red in the face with rage again and
can't pull out any information from all those "secret" military radios
"he can't talk about."

Only you've tried to make it "secret".

No, nursie did, way back when I first mentioned the SINCGARS in
here plus the public availability of FM 24-24 of December 1994 (a
compendium of signal equipment of all kinds, including HF radio
sets, then in military inventory).

Nursie claimed then - in broad generalities - he had "worked in
military communications" but could not name ONE SET by
either nomenclature or familiar name ANY of them. Claimed
he could not talk about them due to not revealing military
secrets or some rationalistic reason.

Actually, my words then, as they are now, are that what I did in the Armed
Forces have nothing to do with Amateur Communications. Just like YOUR "link"
with Amateur Radio, Lennie, those "happenings" only shared the theoretical
basics of radio wave generation and propagation.

It's the application...not the physics...that separates you from the rest
of us, Sir Scummy.

Sucks to be you.

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
da CAP Ace with too much carburetor heat) sputters and foams:

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue". From the
archived lies of Leonard H. Anderson.

That was 29 years ago, senior.

That was 13 years ago, senior.

If you're going to parody Spanish, Lennie, you should at least spell it
correctly.

The DSN (Digital Switched Network) ...(SNIP)

Even more completely unrealted, off topic trivia from one who must hide
behind it.

Try to get with the modern times. Reality is all around you.

Yes, it is.

Too bad you can't share in it, eh...?!?!

I am well acquainted with life.

Nop, you're not. You are well acquainted with your PERCEPTION of it from
behind textbooks and CRTs.

Reality exists beyond the tattered, dog-eared pages of old QST
issues and ARRL handbooks.

Yes, it does. I and others have pointed that out to you on numerous
occassions and invited you to come out and try it. You've declined. Too much
security in LennieLand.

Fort Huachuca was okay in early spring but I've heard it is uncomfortable
in mid-summer, being in Arizona. Glad I wasn't there in mid-summer.

I HAVE been there in mid-summer...and late summer when it's actually worse.
On several occassions.

Sandia Laboratories is different. But, I can't talk much about that
except that visit concerned things like SID.

Ahhhhhhhhhh.......I see.

Someone else suggests some "security" issues and you try to denigrate them
for it.

You think you're promoting your "insiderness" and you wave it like a flag.

No, not "rife." :-) If you are trying a larger vocabulary, try to get
something somewhat close to correct...and in context.

Yes...rife was correct and in context.

You are trying to "poison the well" by singling out only specific
instances of what I've mentioned as to experiences and work over
the last 51+ years.

In other words, I hit the mark so close that you'll be dressing the wounds
from the "collateral damage" for days.

None of it has anything to do with Amateur Radio.

Radio is radio, regardless of the differentiation that mere human
regulation makers make of its differences.

Only in your mind, Lennie.

If that assertion was so true, you'd have no basis for your OTHER rants
that insist that Amateurs must spend thier time learning about "other" radio
services.

If "Radio is radio", your other assertions are baseless.

The Pacific Stars & Stripes did not include a nice photo I made
of the MARS antenna newly installed at Hardy Barracks in
1955.

And they didn't use the pictures I had of the Loch Ness monster either,
Lennie.

"Dictating" what you said?

Absolutely. You are outraged that anyone dare confront your
ideas and fantasies with actual, real-life experiences. The same
with several others in here.

Why is it that all those "others" are focused on YOU, Lennie?

Perhaps YOU are the one with the perception problems?

That's a rhetorical question, of course. With absolutely NO experience in
Amateur Radio, we know you have no informed, valid expereicen from which to
base your comments.

The dictatorial attitude is fairly common, done with heckling
and name-calling and general denigration in an effort to make
a poster stop writing. Weak intimidation. Works sometimes,
but is not a guarantee of suppressing truth and reality.

And therein lies the bane of your existence...

Still having a hard time wondering why your "superior intellect" can't
squash all those "lesser beings" with your infinite wisdom.....

Too bad you can't objectively review what you just wrote against your
conduct over the last several years.

No one in this forum has made any such assertion. Even those who
staunchly support Morse Code testing have advocated advancement in the
service.

...by more and more manual telegraphy use, praising its supposed
qualities, and generally getting into silly stuff about how it's so much
"better" than any other mode.

Note use of the word "service" again.

Hmmmmmm....The FCC uses it to describe Amateur Radio.

The Commissioners are not licensed Amateurs...Lord knows none of them hold
ANY form of licensure by the FCC.

YOU frequently point out the Commissioners status.

Are you NOW telling us that the language used by those very same
Commissioners is WRONG...?!?!

Military surrogate use. Desire to make amateur radio much
more than it is by trying to identify a hobby with military service.

That's YOUR schtick, Lennie.

Tsk, tsk. Lost focus.

Nope. Never have.

I encourge you to provide even ONE quote that supports your assertion
to
the contrary....

Heh heh heh. No, "encourage" is the wrong word. You
CHALLENGE. You DEMAND.

It would be a "challenge" to you, Lennie...In as much as the quotes you
need do not exist.

You all but hop up and down in spiteful hollering to try to
divert the discussion.

Nope...It's right on. You make all sorts of assinine assertions about
Amateur Radio in general and some Amateurs in particular, then can NEVER back
up your assertions.

You make assertions of fact.

I want you to validate them.

You never do. You CLAIM to be a "radio professional". You are not now
nor ever were anything of the kind.

I don't resent your alleged engineering career, Lennie. I know
several
electronics engineers, and they are fine fellows who make meaningful
contributions.

I'm sure you have "Jewish best friends," too.

I don't have to make such claims, Lennie.

You seem to make a lot of them, though.

You are NOT a fine fellow, and there's more than a few indicators that
your "contribution" to radio communications were limited to your few
articles
sold to Ham Radio magazine. (No doubt a last resort in "getting published"
since I am sure the professional journals cut you off at the knees.)

You can check out McGraw-Hill's old biweekly Electronics and
Designer's Casebook. You can check out Microcomputing, a former
monthly for personal computerists. You can check out BYTE
magazine as well as BYTE Books on articles concerning
circuit simulation. All reviewed and accepted by others.

But not accepted as "PROFESSIONAL" publishing.

If you tried to pass off "credentials" like some hobbyist periodicals as
"profesional publishing", you'd be laughed out of the IEEE.

You want to make a Big Thing about Ham Radio Magainze
going "defunct" back in 1990...even though HR was considered a
leader in U.S. ham periodicals for technical information...which it
was. The "defunction" was due to a shrinking ham advertising
market already begun by 1990. That shrinking is even affecting
QST. It hit 73 Magazine big time. Unlike QST which can get
support from the ARRL membership monies, HR and 73 were
independent publications whose entire income was derived by
advertising. CQ is the same way and is barely hanging on.

The "shrinking ham advertising" was due to a lack of support of consumers.

No consumers = no advertising monies = defunct.

Corporate advertisers do not spend thier advertising monies where it is
not netting a reasonable return.

If "Ham Radio" had been the marvel of publishing accomplishment you'd care
to have us beleive, it would still be actively published instead of being
polished and repackaged as a CD novelty.

"73" lost it's readership because Wayne Green is a senile idiot who ran
it into the ground...not once, but twice. And how many "QRP" and "antenna
specials" can one magazine run in a year...?!?! And those "editiorials"...?!?!
Sheeeesh! Talk about being the poster boy for "Paranoia Today"....

Even then I can't find a single example where any of your "work" was
original, nor can I find any example of where your "contributions" were
complimentary to the advancement of ANY radio communications discipline.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Having nursie as a critic is like having a blind
color coordinator for interior decoration. :-)

Try to differentiate between "compliment" and "complement."

In either use of either word, there is no professional historical
documentation that would indicate that Leonard H. Anderson did anything other
than sweep floors in ANY "aerospace" installation or facility.

And as far as your "contributions" to Amateur Radio via your HR pieces, I
find no occassion where your work was footnooted, included or otherwise madse
part-and-parcel of any other paper or work.

And I did look. Closely.

Poor nursie...never could take an opposite opinion to his in
here and is bitterly resentful to anyone who had spoken out
in opposition to him.

I am only "bitterly resentful" of pathological liars and persons who
proactively seek to cause

What am I "seeking to cause?" Sentence unfinished.

Yep...I changed a sentence prior to "sending" and clipped it.

Here's the full sentence: "I am only 'bitterly resentful' of pathological
liars who proactively seek to cause harm to Amateur Radio for no other purpsoe
than to sate his own ego".

What are "pathological liars," nursie?

You are a pathological liar, Lennie.

You can't tell or acknowledge the truth. Your lying is habitual. Even
when you DO quote or recite factual information, who can trust you?

Nursie no gots da
edumcation in sykology, sointanly ain't gots no certificates
(suitable for framing, hanging on da wall) as a licensed
shrink.

No licensure as a mental health worker, Lennie. True.

However I DO have certifications in Emergency Nursing, in and among which
is included managing psychiatric emergencies.

Which is one more than YOU have.

And it's too bad YOU don't avail yourself of the "hum radio magazines".

(Your true colors are showing, Scumbag.)

A long-time radio amateur used to say "hum radio."

And you are not a "long time radio amateur". Never were, and God willing,
never will be.

I find it QUITE "enlightening" to keep an eye on you.

Nursie is OBSESSED. Is COMPELLED to mean-mouth
others who go against his opinions.

Nope...not "mean-mouth".

Expose. As if it took any effort to do...

And if you didn't post such foolishness, I wouldn't have anything to work
with. HARDLY "obsessed".

And I am still waiting for you to post your credentials to tell us what
qualified you to make determinations as to what is or isn't "good mental
health". Leafing through wifey's correspondence courses doesn't qulify.

Sicko words are sicko words to lay people, nursie.

Well, Lennie, I am neither "lay people", nor am I the "sicko" that you
insinuate.

And still waiting on your psychiatry credentials.

Steve, K4YZ

"Len Over 21" wrote


Which one of super chief's ships had over 30 HF transmitters,
and all of them 1 KW or higher?


All "big-time radio communications experience" does not happen on HF,
30 transmitters is not a remarkable number of transmitters, and power
levels of a mere 1KW are distinctly small-time. But to satisfy your
criteria, here are a few examples of my assignments with more than 30
transmitters, 1KW or larger.

At NAVRADSTA(T) Barrigada 78 transmitters none smaller than 5KW
(AN/FRT-39). Largest was 200KW (AN/FRT-72).
At USS Annapolis AGMR-1 48 transmitters, none smaller than 1KW
(AN/URT-23). Largest was 40KW (AN/FRT-40).
At NAVRADSTA(T) Driver 55 transmitters none smaller than 10KW
(AN/FRT-39B). Largest was 600KW (AN/FRT-100).
At COMSECONDFLT, uncounted transmitters situated on more than 150 ships,
including 8 aircraft carriers.

How many 200 KW and 600KW transmitters did the super corporal of ADA
operate?

With all kind wishes,

Hans Brakob
Master Chief Radioman, US Navy

"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Len Over 21" wrote


Which one of super chief's ships had over 30 HF transmitters,
and all of them 1 KW or higher?


All "big-time radio communications experience" does not happen on HF,
30 transmitters is not a remarkable number of transmitters, and power
levels of a mere 1KW are distinctly small-time. But to satisfy your
criteria, here are a few examples of my assignments with more than 30
transmitters, 1KW or larger.

At NAVRADSTA(T) Barrigada 78 transmitters none smaller than 5KW
(AN/FRT-39). Largest was 200KW (AN/FRT-72).
At USS Annapolis AGMR-1 48 transmitters, none smaller than 1KW
(AN/URT-23). Largest was 40KW (AN/FRT-40).
At NAVRADSTA(T) Driver 55 transmitters none smaller than 10KW
(AN/FRT-39B). Largest was 600KW (AN/FRT-100).
At COMSECONDFLT, uncounted transmitters situated on more than 150 ships,
including 8 aircraft carriers.

How many 200 KW and 600KW transmitters did the super corporal of ADA
operate?

With all kind wishes,

Hans Brakob
Master Chief Radioman, US Navy



Hello, Hans

Most interesting, indeed. Just out of curiosity, do you have an idea of how
much power the Navy uses on the VLF stuff? Just curious. When you start
talking 6 zeros in the power level, three zeroes *does* start to look pretty
small time

Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



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On 19 Jun 2004 05:57:47 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , Radio Amateur KC2HMZ
writes:

On 18 Jun 2004 19:48:44 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

See the Army Communicator write-up on Grecian Firebolt 2002
for a good example. :-)

For that matter, just turn on a shortwave receiver. Grecian Firebolt
2004 is being conducted as I type this, and will continue until some
time in August.

Interesting! :-)

Frequencies?

Among those that have been logged over the last week or so a

14396.4 kHz (they were .1 low) 14/1800 Jun UTC:
SHARES exercise in support of GRECIAN FIREBOLT 2004.
Check-in window #1 of 4 scheduled, each day at 1800-1900 UTC.
Ctrl shared by: KGD34 ( NCC/Shares liason, VA), AFA4BR (Shares
Coordination Station, Gulf Coast, Houston), DLA303 (SCS, Northwest,
Defense Logistics Agency, WA.); Working: KOQ434 (US Customs, NC,
possible SCS), KOQ636 (US Customs, ?), KDM52 (FAA, Memphis, TN),
KHA925 (NASA, Johnson Space Flight Ctr, Houston), WGY908 (SCS, FEMA
Region 8 Control, Denver, CO), KCR873 (USDA, Boise, ID, with traffic),
Puerto Rico CAP 20, WNIC426 (Phone company/ NTA, IL), among others
which were missed due to QSB.

KGD 34 went to 14995.0 at 1830 with KCR 873, to receive the traffic.
They were weak - message was copied by KGD 34 and passed successfully,
but no copy here. ALE and PACTOR BBS check-ins are 24 hours daily for
the duration.

5403.3 - Group HF with T, A and lots of others

8668.5 - This is a WHISKEY Air Defense battlegroup net with HOTEL
WHISKEY as NCS. Simulated air attacks, with carrier strike package
targeting track 3515, track 3515 being declared hostile, eventually
with "splash two". Later, VICTOR wkg HW re strike package is feet dry.

8252.0 - BRAVO FOXTROT Net (USB) USN FOXTROT battlegroup net with
BRAVO FOXTROT as NCS.

The U.S. Navy's current exercise is named SUMMER PULSE 04 and will
conclude in August, this involves having simultaneous deployment of
seven aircraft carrier strike groups.

The carriers involved are the Norfolk-based USS George Washington (CVN
73), the San Diego-based USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74), the Yokosuka,
Japan-based USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63), the Mayport, Fla.-based USS John F
Kennedy (CV 67), the Norfolk-based USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75), the
Norfolk-based USS Enterprise (CVN 65), and finally, the USS Ronald
Reagan (CVN 76), which will conduct operations in the U.S. Northern
Command and U.S. Southern Command theaters during the ship's
interfleet transfer from Norfolk, Va., to its Pacific Fleet homeport
of San Diego.

When you consider that no carrier goes anywhere alone but instead has
various mixtures of destroyers, cruisers, attack subs, and at least
one ammo/oiler/supply ship in its CSG (Carrier Strike Groups are
formed and disestablished on an as-needed basis; but while one may be
different from another, all are comprised of similar types of ships),
that's a heck of a lot of radio traffic, so I'm sure the freqs listed
above only skim the surface. Conspicuous by their absence from the
above freqs are freqs for LINK-11 (TADIL-A) voice coordination nets,
for example.

Needless to say, these guys can also change frequency at any time, and
will according to mission requirements, propagation, QRM, and other
considerations - including COMSEC.

73 DE John D. Kasupski
Tonawanda, New York, USA
Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), HF/VHF/UHF Monitoring (KNY2VS)
Member ARATS, ARES, RACES, WUN

Jim Hampton wrote:
"KØHB" wrote in message
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"Len Over 21" wrote


Which one of super chief's ships had over 30 HF transmitters,
and all of them 1 KW or higher?


All "big-time radio communications experience" does not happen on HF,
30 transmitters is not a remarkable number of transmitters, and power
levels of a mere 1KW are distinctly small-time. But to satisfy your
criteria, here are a few examples of my assignments with more than 30
transmitters, 1KW or larger.

At NAVRADSTA(T) Barrigada 78 transmitters none smaller than 5KW
(AN/FRT-39). Largest was 200KW (AN/FRT-72).
At USS Annapolis AGMR-1 48 transmitters, none smaller than 1KW
(AN/URT-23). Largest was 40KW (AN/FRT-40).
At NAVRADSTA(T) Driver 55 transmitters none smaller than 10KW
(AN/FRT-39B). Largest was 600KW (AN/FRT-100).
At COMSECONDFLT, uncounted transmitters situated on more than 150 ships,
including 8 aircraft carriers.

How many 200 KW and 600KW transmitters did the super corporal of ADA
operate?

With all kind wishes,

Hans Brakob
Master Chief Radioman, US Navy




Hello, Hans

Most interesting, indeed. Just out of curiosity, do you have an idea of how
much power the Navy uses on the VLF stuff? Just curious. When you start
talking 6 zeros in the power level, three zeroes *does* start to look pretty
small time

Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



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QST had a story many years ago when the VLF station in Maine was first
opened. I remember
a picture of a man standing up inside the coax. Power was in the 2
Megawatt range.
John

In article . net, "KØHB"
writes:

"Len Over 21" wrote

Which one of super chief's ships had over 30 HF transmitters,
and all of them 1 KW or higher?

All "big-time radio communications experience" does not happen on HF,
30 transmitters is not a remarkable number of transmitters, and power
levels of a mere 1KW are distinctly small-time. But to satisfy your
criteria, here are a few examples of my assignments with more than 30
transmitters, 1KW or larger.

At NAVRADSTA(T) Barrigada 78 transmitters none smaller than 5KW
(AN/FRT-39). Largest was 200KW (AN/FRT-72).
At USS Annapolis AGMR-1 48 transmitters, none smaller than 1KW
(AN/URT-23). Largest was 40KW (AN/FRT-40).
At NAVRADSTA(T) Driver 55 transmitters none smaller than 10KW
(AN/FRT-39B). Largest was 600KW (AN/FRT-100).
At COMSECONDFLT, uncounted transmitters situated on more than 150 ships,
including 8 aircraft carriers.

How many 200 KW and 600KW transmitters did the super corporal of ADA
operate?

None. ADA was/is an ARMY callsign. :-)

ADA is presently the Headquarters call of the USARPAC (United
States Army, Pacific) located at Fort Shafter, Hawaii.

I have no idea what USARPAC is running on HF now. Left ADA
in 1956...that's 48 years ago. The facilities of ADA were
transferred to the USAF in 1963 (callsign changed, equipment
the same) but the USAF closed that entire facility down in 1978.

There's an "HF Department" of the 78th Signal Service Battalion
stationed at Camp Zama, Japan, under the 516th Signal Brigade
at Fort Shafter. I don't have any details on what the 78th has
nor of any extensive "inventory." :-)

Back in late 1954 the 40 KW Collins transmitter hadn't yet been
given the military designation of AN/FRT-22. :-) For that matter,
the 24-voice-channel GE microwave terminals (commercial)
weren't given the "official" designation of AN/FRC-25...the
"credential" for such importance consisting of sticking on a label
on each of the six terminal racks' doors, thereby making it
"military." :-) Those just kept on working into the USAF
responsibility shift.

ADA was never the biggest Army station, those facilities
probably never the biggest USAF station after 1963. The ADA
receiver site at Camp Owada was shared with the USAF in the
1950s and was described as the largest receiver site in the
world at the time with pairs of rhombics for each circuit (space
diversity with multicouplers and diversity adapters) and the
whole works running 24/7. TTY Relay at Chuo Kogyo (later at
Building 898, North Camp Drake) handled 220 thousand
messages a month in 1955. Not the biggest since WAR
(Washington Army Radio) TTY Relay handled 1.2 million a
month in that same year. Except for some trials of mods, all
the rest of the TTYs ran at 60 WPM rates.

That was a half century ago. Times have changed. Some
ideas of what the U.S. military does now, or even did back a
half century ago are purely imaginary in the minds of those
that weren't involved in military communications then or later.

Yes, I was a corporal back a half century ago, a PFC before
that, and the equivalent of today's SSGT afterwards, that as
an operating team leader and later as a supervisor of
microwave relay operations and maintenance. All in three
years of that assignment. Thank you for mentioning it. :-)

I could not dare to achieve any heights of greatness nor the
nobility of purpose or excellence of the United States Navy
in a short volunteer military active duty time of 4 years...not
even in the reserves for 4 more...just army stuff, what an ex-
murine called "radio clerk" things. :-)

Thank you for the rendition of "Rancors Away..." :-)

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/18/2004 2:48 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve da CAP Ace with too much carburetor heat) sputters and foams:

"I am only here to civilly debate the Morse Code test issue". From the
archived lies of Leonard H. Anderson.

Nursie isn't touching the "morse code test issue" is she? :-)

Nursie wanna fight, curse, send nastygrams. :-)

Must be more of that "meaningful dialogue" nursie thinks she is
engaging in. :-)

That was 29 years ago, senior.

That was 13 years ago, senior.

If you're going to parody Spanish, Lennie, you should at least spell it
correctly.

tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie lost focus again, desperately trying to invent
another nastygram. :-)

I know it is difficult, but TRY to stay within a few light-years of
the topics in context.

The DSN (Digital Switched Network) ...(SNIP)

Even more completely unrealted, off topic trivia from one who must hide
behind it.

The U.S. government doesn't have the DSN? tsk, tsk, tsk.

DSN works very well. The "government's own internet" as one in
government put it. I've communicated on it. [no license required]

Try to get with the modern times. Reality is all around you.

Yes, it is.

Try to get out of the ham tunnel you inhabit.

Too bad you can't share in it, eh...?!?!

? "Share" in your small tunnel? Your little imagination?

I am well acquainted with life.

More like death and destruction from appearances. You wish ill on
all who oppose your opinions, even to the point of wishing them dead.

Nursie wanna destroy anything anyone say about opposite
opinions as if they are heretical or perverse.

Not a healthy mind indicator to any lay person.

Nop, you're not. You are well acquainted with your PERCEPTION of it from
behind textbooks and CRTs.

...and behind radios. Actual radio communications.

Sunnuvagun, how about that?

Someone other than olde-tyme hammes using non-amateur radios
for communications! [who would have thought of it? :-) ]

Reality exists beyond the tattered, dog-eared pages of old QST
issues and ARRL handbooks.

Yes, it does. I and others have pointed that out to you on numerous
occassions and invited you to come out and try it. You've declined. Too
much security in LennieLand.

"Security?" Well, yes, I am secure but not in the sense of document
security. :-)

Ah yes, nursie's reality is rated "top sacred" in classification. :-)

Fort Huachuca was okay in early spring but I've heard it is uncomfortable
in mid-summer, being in Arizona. Glad I wasn't there in mid-summer.

I HAVE been there in mid-summer...and late summer when it's actually
worse. On several occassions.

Of course you have. You've been everywhere that I've been. :-)

It's all documented in this newsgroup. :-)

Nursie has been to an HRO store "with buddies" even when it did
not exist in a location. :-)

Sandia Laboratories is different. But, I can't talk much about that
except that visit concerned things like SID.

Ahhhhhhhhhh.......I see.

Someone else suggests some "security" issues and you try to denigrate
them for it.

SID is an acronym for Seismic Intrusion Devices.

RCA Corporation made a bunch of them for the "McNamara Wall"
in Vietnam, circa 1973-1975. Neat little automatic devices
reporting back (unattended) by radio to a "Portatale" (familiar
name) receiver. Could sense footfalls and had internal sound
processing to differentiate between four-footed and two-footed
creatures. Did the two antennas for them, accurate pattern
measurements on the first model, redesign to a "whip" type
for the second model.

That design is rather outdated now but SIDs are still used by
the government. I really don't know how much information is
still classified. What I've reported is from the public-release
information from Defense Electronics magazine.

Would make a cool variant on a super-tough-to-find "fox hunt"
transmitter. :-) Transmitter stays silent until the stalker
comes close. Sort of "role reversal" of the traditional game.
It would make for very accurate "fox hunt" scoring, though. :-)

You think you're promoting your "insiderness" and you wave it like a
flag.

Poor baby. Came all unglued for using an old acronym? :-(

tsk, tsk, tsk...all that "hostile action" stuff and never did any
Recon Marine intel patrolling?

No, not "rife." :-) If you are trying a larger vocabulary, try to get
something somewhat close to correct...and in context.

Yes...rife was correct and in context.

"Rife: (adj) 1. Widespread 2. Abounding (as with error)"

Only in nursieworld where anything not according to nursie is
"rife." :-)

You are trying to "poison the well" by singling out only specific
instances of what I've mentioned as to experiences and work over
the last 51+ years.

In other words, I hit the mark so close that you'll be dressing the
wounds
from the "collateral damage" for days.

tsk, tsk, tsk...only in nursie's unhealthy imagination, still living
in the "hostile action" battlezone. :-)

Must be the post-traumatic stress disorder resulting from no
longer being issued a rifle to deal with "rife-ness."

None of it has anything to do with Amateur Radio.

Radio is radio, regardless of the differentiation that mere human
regulation makers make of its differences.

Only in your mind, Lennie.

Hardly. :-) The FCC knows this, other nations' radio regulating
agencies know this, the rest of the radio world outside of olde-
tyme hum radio knows this, academic institutions teaching
physics knows this, etc., etc., etc.

Nursieworld is all by itself, "a dimension of sight and sound...
at the signpost up ahead...the Twilight Zone!" :-)

If that assertion was so true, you'd have no basis for your OTHER rants
that insist that Amateurs must spend thier time learning about "other" radio
services.

First, amateurs ought to know "thier" own radios...something
beyond the front panel controls.

Amateur radios work by the same physics as other radios!

Sunnuvagun! A revelation to nursieworld!

If "Radio is radio", your other assertions are baseless.

Nurise is "right" and everyone else is "wrong." :-)

Nursieworld still stuck in the Twilight Zone again. tsk, tsk.

The Pacific Stars & Stripes did not include a nice photo I made
of the MARS antenna newly installed at Hardy Barracks in
1955.

And they didn't use the pictures I had of the Loch Ness monster either,
Lennie.

Nursie did an interview with Stars & Stripes?

Where, when, for the Sunday comics section?

[Stars & Stripes does have comic strips in case anyone wanted
to venture into nursieworld imagination]

"Dictating" what you said?

Absolutely. You are outraged that anyone dare confront your
ideas and fantasies with actual, real-life experiences. The same
with several others in here.

Why is it that all those "others" are focused on YOU, Lennie?

"All?" :-) A few of the regulars in here who are of the same ilk
as nursie, wanting to fight to the bitter end to preserve and
protect olde-tyme hamme radio and manual telegraphy?

Wait for the next Sermon on the Antenna Mount...soon to be
preached by the good Rev.

Perhaps YOU are the one with the perception problems?

I haven't gotten the rose-colored glasses yet. Don't use any
nursieworld kaleidoscopes...only oscilloscopes. :-)

That's a rhetorical question, of course. With absolutely NO experience in
Amateur Radio, we know you have no informed, valid expereicen from which to
base your comments.

"Expereicen?" New word? From Newington?

Of course. Amateur radio is so vastly different from all other radio
that one must be licensed and experienced (and be tested in
manual telegraphy) to understand it. [according to nursie]

Nurise hasn't done jack in any other radio service, only amateur, so
that's her only basis. Oh wow, profound, that tunnel vision...

The dictatorial attitude is fairly common, done with heckling
and name-calling and general denigration in an effort to make
a poster stop writing. Weak intimidation. Works sometimes,
but is not a guarantee of suppressing truth and reality.

And therein lies the bane of your existence...

"Bane (n) 1. ruin, death, harm, or their cause 2. poison"

So far, nursie is back on using quaint expressions involving all
that death and destruction.

Must be all that post-traumatic stress disorder from military
life again...?

Still having a hard time wondering why your "superior intellect" can't
squash all those "lesser beings" with your infinite wisdom.....

"Squash?" I'm not fond of squash. It's okay as food, but tasteless.

A more proper word would be 'quash.' Two meanings -

"Quash (vt) from the Latin 'cassus' To set aside (in law use)

"Quash (vt) from the Latin 'quatere' To quell as in an uprising."

[dictionary quoting a part of public service offered pro bono...]

Too bad you can't objectively review what you just wrote against your
conduct over the last several years.

tsk, tsk, tsk...confused on the differences between "objective" and
"subjective?"

The dictionary is your friend. Get acquainted.

Remember only nursie's alternate personalities live in nursieworld.
It's all subjective in there...

No one in this forum has made any such assertion. Even those who
staunchly support Morse Code testing have advocated advancement in the
service.

...by more and more manual telegraphy use, praising its supposed
qualities, and generally getting into silly stuff about how it's so much
"better" than any other mode.

Note use of the word "service" again.

Hmmmmmm....The FCC uses it to describe Amateur Radio.

All throughout Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, the term
"service" is a regulatory word pertaining to a type and kind of radio
activity being regulated.

"Service" has many meanings (the dictionary IS your friend and
you really need one).

Amateur radio is no more of a military or national purpose
"service" than Citizens Band Radio Service (Part 95, Title 47 C.F.R.).

No one "enlists" in the amateur radio service although some
actually do feel compelled to treat it like some military service!

The Commissioners are not licensed Amateurs...Lord knows none of them
hold ANY form of licensure by the FCC.

YOU frequently point out the Commissioners status.

tsk, tsk, tsk...why are you stoutly maintaining that anyone "involved"
in amateur radio "must be licensed?" :-)

Are you NOW telling us that the language used by those very same
Commissioners is WRONG...?!?!

All throughout Title 47 Code of Federal Regulations, the term
"service" is a regulatory word pertaining to a type and kind of radio
activity being regulated.


Military surrogate use. Desire to make amateur radio much
more than it is by trying to identify a hobby with military service.

That's YOUR schtick, Lennie.

? I've been a civilian for 44 years after receiving my honorable
discharge from the U.S. Army in 1960. [only one, honorable,
not typed in on any DD-214 which I received in 1956]

Tsk, tsk. Lost focus.

Nope. Never have.

tsk, tsk, tsk...nursie keeps forgetting to take off the lens cap.

...and never loads any film. :-)



Nope...It's right on. You make all sorts of assinine assertions about
Amateur Radio in general and some Amateurs in particular, then can NEVER back
up your assertions.

You make assertions of fact.

I want you to validate them.

You never do. You CLAIM to be a "radio professional". You are not now
nor ever were anything of the kind.

Do you need those documents verified by a notary public and
hand-delivered by bonded courier? :-)

tsk, tsk, tsk...I've given my short-form resume in here along with
living radio amateur references...and nursie never did check them
out, only issuing spiteful, hated nastygrams. :-)

"Professional (adj) Engaged in some sport or specific
occupation for pay."

[the dictionary can be your friend but nursie seems to want to fight
with everyone...]


If you tried to pass off "credentials" like some hobbyist periodicals as
"profesional publishing", you'd be laughed out of the IEEE.

Haven't been since first joining IEEE in 1973. One of my sponsors
was Jim Hall, KD6JG. :-)

["sunnavagun" as the super chief is fond of saying...:-) ]


The "shrinking ham advertising" was due to a lack of support of
consumers.

No consumers = no advertising monies = defunct.

Corporate advertisers do not spend thier advertising monies where it is
not netting a reasonable return.

You are close, but you've failed Business Economics 101.

The "shrinking ham advertising" is due to a lack of SPENDING
for advertising by manufacturers and services in periodicals.

Advertising is basically the same regardless of the product or
service. It is a means to induce potential buyers of a particular
product or service.

Most periodicals in the USA exist solely on the basis of
advertising space sales income. When advertisers do not
purchase advertising space in periodicals, that periodical has
less revenue. [I hope you've understood that basic rule so
far...] Note this carefully: The purchase of advertising space
has little directly to do with "consumers." Some products and
services can continue with an absolute minimal amount of
advertising.

If "Ham Radio" had been the marvel of publishing accomplishment you'd
care
to have us beleive, it would still be actively published instead of being
polished and repackaged as a CD novelty.

HR existed for 22 years as an independent periodical, even
spun off "Ham Radio Horizons." It started up as an independent,
continued as an independent. No support was needed by any
membership organization budget such as QST.

HR was considered the prime technical periodical for amateur
radio by radio amateurs when it was in its 22 year span. That
was stated by many, many radio amateurs.


Even then I can't find a single example where any of your "work" was
original, nor can I find any example of where your "contributions" were
complimentary to the advancement of ANY radio communications discipline.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Having nursie as a critic is like having a blind
color coordinator for interior decoration. :-)

Try to differentiate between "compliment" and "complement."

In either use of either word, there is no professional historical
documentation that would indicate that Leonard H. Anderson did anything other
than sweep floors in ANY "aerospace" installation or facility.

tsk, tsk, tsk...personnel records of employees are not normally
found in "professional historical documentation." :-) Those can
be verified by personnel departments (now called "human
resources").

And as far as your "contributions" to Amateur Radio via your HR pieces, I
find no occassion where your work was footnooted, included or otherwise madse
part-and-parcel of any other paper or work.

"Footnoot?" "Madse?" :-)

And I did look. Closely.

Total bull**** by nursie. :-) :-) :-)

On the other hand, maybe a sign of an impending vision problem.

Having to look closely at written text may be an indication that an
eye examination is required, perhaps for corrective lenses. See
an opthalmologist or optometrist in addition to a mental therapist.


Here's the full sentence: "I am only 'bitterly resentful' of
pathological
liars who proactively seek to cause harm to Amateur Radio for no other
purpsoe than to sate his own ego".

You'll hate yourself in the morning. :-) [every morning]


You are a pathological liar, Lennie.

You can't tell or acknowledge the truth. Your lying is habitual. Even
when you DO quote or recite factual information, who can trust you?

Then how do you know anything I write is "factual" if everything
is a "lie?" :-)

Just another "meaningful discourse" nastygram from nursie.


And you are not a "long time radio amateur". Never were, and God
willing, never will be.

tsk, tsk, tsk...that's not the way to get a PR job with ARRL...:-)


Expose. As if it took any effort to do...

tsk, tsk, tsk...remember the lens cap is still on and you didn't
load any film... :-)

And if you didn't post such foolishness, I wouldn't have anything to
work with. HARDLY "obsessed".

Your obsession was just admitted. Seek help with that disorder.


Well, Lennie, I am neither "lay people", nor am I the "sicko" that you
insinuate.

I didn't "insinuate." I stated it directly. You are obsessed with
trying to fight with newsgroup communicators who don't agree
with you. You defy social convention in acting the sociopath to
all who don't share your viewpoints.

That's a sick attitude to anyone, with or without "credentials."

Get help.

LHA / WMD