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(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... This is one weird group of licensed amateur extra regulars! To say the least. Did you pick up on the new thread where someone asked if a person works in the industry and has a commercial license, would he be welcomed at a ham radio club meeting? Yes. What wasn't mentioned was the demand that non-amateur radio hobbyists MUST drink from different fountains and use the "special" restrooms. :-) Welp, if they were available, I'd use them too. Some kind of fanatical rabid love of code develops after drinking from the Chalice of Morse. An epiphany strikes? "The chalice with the keyer has the brew that is true, the chalice with the mike has the brew that is peew!" - from the motion picture "The Morse Jester" starring Danny Kode. They care more about their "honor" in telling fibs of their exploits then get totally pished at others who have had truthful experience beyond the limitations of Part 97. Fantasyland at times! :-) It's all just a matter of ego. NO!? Say it isn't so... :-) Yup. Sad but true. I am disheartened. snif :-) BPL-PLC will mean an END to low-level signal reception on HF and low VHF in urban areas but the licensed amateur extras in here just want to FIGHT with anyone who challenges their mighty words. Not to worry. Morse always gets thru. Right! That's why all the other radio services rely on morse! :-) They may have to. And amateur radio operators will lead the way to salvation. The Army? ["it's a Service!!!" :-) ] They won't DO anything against the already-here problem of HF pollution but they want to destroy anyone not believeing in their fantasies of the religion of St. Hiram and the League-ionaires. Just notice who's remaining in this sorry group. Yes. Weiner von Brawn and his sidekick in PA. :-) Wheiner (can be pronounced either "wee-ner" or "why-ner") keeps trying to make friends. Is THAT what the putzmacher is trying to do?!?!? Isn't all so much fun to have a private "ham" chat room to talk all about the space program, national economics, traveling salesmen, the educational system, and other assorted "ham interest" items? And arguing with CBers. They impress people wherever they go. If they don't immediately get the attention they think they deserve, they thump their chests a few times to make their "achievements" more visible. I really do wish the FCC would issue some kind of combat infantry badge to these guys. It's called "The Blue Riffle." Comes from riffling through lots of QST ads and product reviews, then portraying themselves as "expert" radio heroes. Even more bizarre is the on-going "discussion" between two extras who have NO experience in space travel talking all about Big Issues in Space...none of which concerns amateur radio policy! :-) They've managed to combine "Missiles of October," and "October Sky." Maybe one day they'll launch an Estes rocket and attain the altitude of 1,200' AGL. If either one cancels their Popular Science subscription, we won't know the answers to all those profound questions of "ham interest" policy problems. Don't forget Popular Mechanics, and Popular Psychology. Ooops. Scratch teh second one. I think it's old NASA brochures and hand-outs of the 70s and 80s. Those don't cost anything from a dump. Well, time to celebrate the 4th coming up...and to worship at the Church of St. Hiram who invented radio and the vacuum tube, etc. :-) Len Never knew the man, but he is legend. ...celebrated in song and story forever, the founder of the Service. A real firecracker that put sparklers in the eyes of all worshippers. [shipping extra cost] :-) Kind of like the followers of Rev. Moon. Oh, NO! Not "mooning" again! :-) Sigmund Fraud will start making another libelous AOL Home Page shouting and hollering all about "naked men" and "pornographic images!!!" And, his favorite pejorative, "Liars!!!" :-) |
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July 7th 04, 03:36 AM
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N2EY wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Not enough money. Sure there is. It's just a matter of priorities. And everybody's got different ones. If the majority of Americans would rather have better transit than put a man on Mars, whose priority should be followed? Sad to think that the spirit of exploration is just about dead. Sad to think that a bunch of nerds sitting around in a room guiding robots are what pass for adventurers these days. Even if the Elser-Mathes Cup stays unclaimed.... The only difference here is that you're asking Joe Average to be ready to give up his/her SUV (or at least keep it garaged a lot more) and they don't want to do it. No, what I'm asking is for a lot more - responsibility. That's what I said, Jim...Joe Average doesn't want to give up his/her SUV. To do so would be to take some responsibility for participating in helping the enviroment. That's cured by education. And it doesn't stop at the SUV-as-a-commuting-vehicle - there are lots of other opportunities to reduce consumption, resulting in eventual energy independence. What do you think of the energy density of hydrogen and it's effect on trying to convert to hydrogen vehicles? btw, did you see who the Democrats are running for VP? I was kind of hoping for Wes Clark - Mike KB3EIA - |
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#146
July 7th 04, 12:24 PM
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In article , Mike Coslo
writes: N2EY wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Not enough money. Sure there is. It's just a matter of priorities. And everybody's got different ones. If the majority of Americans would rather have better transit than put a man on Mars, whose priority should be followed? Sad to think that the spirit of exploration is just about dead. I don't think it's dead at all, Mike. And it wasn't the spirit of exploration that sent people to the moon. It was the need to show the Rooskies that we could do better than they could. Spirit of exploration is great but bankrolling it with trillions of taxpayer dollars is a hard sell when people see the middle class being eroded at every turn... Sad to think that a bunch of nerds sitting around in a room guiding robots are what pass for adventurers these days. Sadder to think that such triumphs of engineering are dismissed so easily. I bet if you asked for volunteers to go on a manned Mars mission, 3 years long, with all sorts of risks and discomforts, the response would be so overwhelming that you'd need a major budget item just to deal with it. Even more so for a lunar mission. Heck, if you asked for volunteers to go to the Moon on a *permanent* basis (as in "we don't know when or even if there will be space on a ship to bring you back") there'd be the same flood of volunteers. Even if the Elser-Mathes Cup stays unclaimed.... Nobody but me seems to know what that award is... The only difference here is that you're asking Joe Average to be ready to give up his/her SUV (or at least keep it garaged a lot more) and they don't want to do it. No, what I'm asking is for a lot more - responsibility. That's what I said, Jim...Joe Average doesn't want to give up his/her SUV. To do so would be to take some responsibility for participating in helping the enviroment. That's cured by education. And it doesn't stop at the SUV-as-a-commuting-vehicle - there are lots of other opportunities to reduce consumption, resulting in eventual energy independence. What do you think of the energy density of hydrogen and it's effect on trying to convert to hydrogen vehicles? That energy density is determined by how the hydrogen is stored. Normally it's quite low, but when comressed, quite a bit of hydrogen can be stored in a small space. Same for methane (natural gas). Trouble is, do you want to drive around with a high pressure fuel tank and fuel lines? One interesting solution is proposed by the same guy who gave us LCDs. His idea (IIRC) is that the hydrogen is stored chemically in metal hydride pellets, which give off hydrogen when warmed by engine waste heat. No high pressure tank. The big hydrogen question is: where do we get all the hydrogen from? btw, did you see who the Democrats are running for VP? I was kind of hoping for Wes Clark Me too but he's dropped below the radar. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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#147
July 7th 04, 02:31 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... This is one weird group of licensed amateur extra regulars! To say the least. Did you pick up on the new thread where someone asked if a person works in the industry and has a commercial license, would he be welcomed at a ham radio club meeting? Yes. What wasn't mentioned was the demand that non-amateur radio hobbyists MUST drink from different fountains and use the "special" restrooms. :-) Welp, if they were available, I'd use them too. Some kind of fanatical rabid love of code develops after drinking from the Chalice of Morse. An epiphany strikes? If it strikes the Yell Yell Marine, he's got the right to use lethal force. "The chalice with the keyer has the brew that is true, the chalice with the mike has the brew that is peew!" - from the motion picture "The Morse Jester" starring Danny Kode. Danny Kode was superb. Alas, they are making color movies today. They care more about their "honor" in telling fibs of their exploits then get totally pished at others who have had truthful experience beyond the limitations of Part 97. Fantasyland at times! :-) It's all just a matter of ego. NO!? Say it isn't so... :-) Yup. Sad but true. I am disheartened. snif :-) BPL-PLC will mean an END to low-level signal reception on HF and low VHF in urban areas but the licensed amateur extras in here just want to FIGHT with anyone who challenges their mighty words. Not to worry. Morse always gets thru. Right! That's why all the other radio services rely on morse! :-) They may have to. And amateur radio operators will lead the way to salvation. The Army? ["it's a Service!!!" :-) ] W1AW will be on the AM boradcast band, but in CW. Everyone will be standing in line to have a bfo installed in their Pioneer/Kenwood/Panasonic car stereos. They won't DO anything against the already-here problem of HF pollution but they want to destroy anyone not believeing in their fantasies of the religion of St. Hiram and the League-ionaires. Just notice who's remaining in this sorry group. Yes. Weiner von Brawn and his sidekick in PA. :-) Wheiner (can be pronounced either "wee-ner" or "why-ner") keeps trying to make friends. Is THAT what the putzmacher is trying to do?!?!? In a dysfunctional way. His only means. Isn't all so much fun to have a private "ham" chat room to talk all about the space program, national economics, traveling salesmen, the educational system, and other assorted "ham interest" items? And arguing with CBers. They impress people wherever they go. If they don't immediately get the attention they think they deserve, they thump their chests a few times to make their "achievements" more visible. I really do wish the FCC would issue some kind of combat infantry badge to these guys. It's called "The Blue Riffle." Comes from riffling through lots of QST ads and product reviews, then portraying themselves as "expert" radio heroes. Ging once, going twice... Even more bizarre is the on-going "discussion" between two extras who have NO experience in space travel talking all about Big Issues in Space...none of which concerns amateur radio policy! :-) They've managed to combine "Missiles of October," and "October Sky." Maybe one day they'll launch an Estes rocket and attain the altitude of 1,200' AGL. If either one cancels their Popular Science subscription, we won't know the answers to all those profound questions of "ham interest" policy problems. Don't forget Popular Mechanics, and Popular Psychology. Ooops. Scratch teh second one. I think it's old NASA brochures and hand-outs of the 70s and 80s. Those don't cost anything from a dump. Like those old Air Force pubs Yell Yell was claiming I got my military experience from. He probably reads them at every CAP meeting. Well, time to celebrate the 4th coming up...and to worship at the Church of St. Hiram who invented radio and the vacuum tube, etc. :-) Len Never knew the man, but he is legend. ...celebrated in song and story forever, the founder of the Service. A real firecracker that put sparklers in the eyes of all worshippers. [shipping extra cost] :-) Kind of like the followers of Rev. Moon. Oh, NO! Not "mooning" again! :-) Sigmund Fraud will start making another libelous AOL Home Page shouting and hollering all about "naked men" and "pornographic images!!!" And, his favorite pejorative, "Liars!!!" :-) That goes hand in hand with the code problem, except without the peanut butter sandwiches. |
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July 8th 04, 03:43 AM
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N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Not enough money. Sure there is. It's just a matter of priorities. And everybody's got different ones. If the majority of Americans would rather have better transit than put a man on Mars, whose priority should be followed? Sad to think that the spirit of exploration is just about dead. I don't think it's dead at all, Mike. Maybe I'm hanging out with the wrong people, Jim. And it wasn't the spirit of exploration that sent people to the moon. It was the need to show the Rooskies that we could do better than they could. Yeah, we know why the pols bankrolled it. But I highly doubt that was reason number one in the astronauts minds. Spirit of exploration is great but bankrolling it with trillions of taxpayer dollars is a hard sell when people see the middle class being eroded at every turn... ....and while we are decrying the expense of doing things, we might want to look over our shoulder, someone's catching up and will pass us. Sad to think that a bunch of nerds sitting around in a room guiding robots are what pass for adventurers these days. Sadder to think that such triumphs of engineering are dismissed so easily. Heavens no! I love the engineering. But there is a world of difference between the "adventurers" giving a live press conference from the studio and adventurers being *there*. If that doesn't make a big difference to you , I guess it is kind of a "Jeep" thing. I bet if you asked for volunteers to go on a manned Mars mission, 3 years long, with all sorts of risks and discomforts, the response would be so overwhelming that you'd need a major budget item just to deal with it. Yup. Kind of tells me something. Even more so for a lunar mission. Heck, if you asked for volunteers to go to the Moon on a *permanent* basis (as in "we don't know when or even if there will be space on a ship to bring you back") there'd be the same flood of volunteers. Uh huh! I'd be one of 'em. Even if the Elser-Mathes Cup stays unclaimed.... Nobody but me seems to know what that award is... I looked it up. Too bad the Apollo astronauts didn't have a 2 meter HT.. 8^) The only difference here is that you're asking Joe Average to be ready to give up his/her SUV (or at least keep it garaged a lot more) and they don't want to do it. No, what I'm asking is for a lot more - responsibility. That's what I said, Jim...Joe Average doesn't want to give up his/her SUV. To do so would be to take some responsibility for participating in helping the enviroment. That's cured by education. And it doesn't stop at the SUV-as-a-commuting-vehicle - there are lots of other opportunities to reduce consumption, resulting in eventual energy independence. What do you think of the energy density of hydrogen and it's effect on trying to convert to hydrogen vehicles? That energy density is determined by how the hydrogen is stored. Normally it's quite low, but when comressed, quite a bit of hydrogen can be stored in a small space. Same for methane (natural gas). Trouble is, do you want to drive around with a high pressure fuel tank and fuel lines? One interesting solution is proposed by the same guy who gave us LCDs. His idea (IIRC) is that the hydrogen is stored chemically in metal hydride pellets, which give off hydrogen when warmed by engine waste heat. No high pressure tank. The big hydrogen question is: where do we get all the hydrogen from? My guess is that it would come from electrolysis at hydropower or more likely Nuc power plants. Dunno if it would be done at the same sites where desalinization would (*will*) be happening. (welcome to your future, California!) Of course there will be environmental issues, such as what to do with all the salt. Another biggie is that seawater electrolysis tends to produce chlorine instead of oxygen: http://www2.electrochem.org/cgi-bin/...g=204&abs=0710 Hard to argue that chlorine wouldn't be a pollutant. The anti environmentalists might even agree on that one! and using seawater is probably pretty important, because.... Who on earth is going to want to give up their fresh water? The left coast? Hardly likely! They are the ones that are going to be surviving on electrolysis in the future. East coast? We're so variable here, and population is eventually simply going to limit fresh water supplies. And just as I don't like biofuels, I think that using a substance that people depend on for their lives like food and water means that some terrible choices might have to be made in the future. Put simply, if it isn't seawater, it isn't going to happen. btw, did you see who the Democrats are running for VP? I was kind of hoping for Wes Clark Me too but he's dropped below the radar. |
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July 8th 04, 04:46 AM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... This is one weird group of licensed amateur extra regulars! To say the least. Did you pick up on the new thread where someone asked if a person works in the industry and has a commercial license, would he be welcomed at a ham radio club meeting? Yes. What wasn't mentioned was the demand that non-amateur radio hobbyists MUST drink from different fountains and use the "special" restrooms. :-) Welp, if they were available, I'd use them too. Some kind of fanatical rabid love of code develops after drinking from the Chalice of Morse. An epiphany strikes? If it strikes the Yell Yell Marine, he's got the right to use lethal force. Not quite the epiphany I had in mind. According to Yell Yell, nobody, absolutely NO ONE can possibly know a damn thing about amateur radio without passing a little test, receiving the nice piece of paper with a fancy border (suitable for framing), and then coming on like a Dill Instructor with a mouth full of pickle. Apparently, one gets a Full Knowledge (or something like that) on receiving that call sign. Perhaps a subtle divine voice from on high that imparts all the smarts on hum raddio to the fully licensed? Poor guy can't separate the reality from his murine fantasy of the "amateur corps." "The chalice with the keyer has the brew that is true, the chalice with the mike has the brew that is peew!" - from the motion picture "The Morse Jester" starring Danny Kode. Danny Kode was superb. Alas, they are making color movies today. Morse is colorless. It fits. Morse is 160 years old. Didn't even have motion pictures back in 1844. But, according to Yell Yell and his kin, ALL amateurs MUST know morse to gain "the true knowledge" on passing the Test. For a hobby activity. There's lots of ANGER floating around the newsgripe...yelling and yelling at those who didn't do EXACTLY like the Kodies did or embrace "the service" like it was a murine corps. They care more about their "honor" in telling fibs of their exploits then get totally pished at others who have had truthful experience beyond the limitations of Part 97. Fantasyland at times! :-) It's all just a matter of ego. NO!? Say it isn't so... :-) Yup. Sad but true. I am disheartened. snif :-) BPL-PLC will mean an END to low-level signal reception on HF and low VHF in urban areas but the licensed amateur extras in here just want to FIGHT with anyone who challenges their mighty words. Not to worry. Morse always gets thru. Right! That's why all the other radio services rely on morse! :-) They may have to. And amateur radio operators will lead the way to salvation. The Army? ["it's a Service!!!" :-) ] W1AW will be on the AM boradcast band, but in CW. Everyone will be standing in line to have a bfo installed in their Pioneer/Kenwood/Panasonic car stereos. Riiiiiight. :-) They won't DO anything against the already-here problem of HF pollution but they want to destroy anyone not believeing in their fantasies of the religion of St. Hiram and the League-ionaires. Just notice who's remaining in this sorry group. Yes. Weiner von Brawn and his sidekick in PA. :-) Wheiner (can be pronounced either "wee-ner" or "why-ner") keeps trying to make friends. Is THAT what the putzmacher is trying to do?!?!? In a dysfunctional way. His only means. There's at least two putzmachers in here. May the fnortz be with them and their attempts at purity and ethnic cleansing. Isn't all so much fun to have a private "ham" chat room to talk all about the space program, national economics, traveling salesmen, the educational system, and other assorted "ham interest" items? And arguing with CBers. They impress people wherever they go. If they don't immediately get the attention they think they deserve, they thump their chests a few times to make their "achievements" more visible. I really do wish the FCC would issue some kind of combat infantry badge to these guys. It's called "The Blue Riffle." Comes from riffling through lots of QST ads and product reviews, then portraying themselves as "expert" radio heroes. Ging once, going twice... :-) Even more bizarre is the on-going "discussion" between two extras who have NO experience in space travel talking all about Big Issues in Space...none of which concerns amateur radio policy! :-) They've managed to combine "Missiles of October," and "October Sky." Maybe one day they'll launch an Estes rocket and attain the altitude of 1,200' AGL. If either one cancels their Popular Science subscription, we won't know the answers to all those profound questions of "ham interest" policy problems. Don't forget Popular Mechanics, and Popular Psychology. Ooops. Scratch teh second one. I think it's old NASA brochures and hand-outs of the 70s and 80s. Those don't cost anything from a dump. Like those old Air Force pubs Yell Yell was claiming I got my military experience from. He probably reads them at every CAP meeting. Yell Yell was a Murine. That sums it up. All else are inferior...unless the else are code-tested extras. :-) Well, time to celebrate the 4th coming up...and to worship at the Church of St. Hiram who invented radio and the vacuum tube, etc. :-) Len Never knew the man, but he is legend. ...celebrated in song and story forever, the founder of the Service. A real firecracker that put sparklers in the eyes of all worshippers. [shipping extra cost] :-) Kind of like the followers of Rev. Moon. Oh, NO! Not "mooning" again! :-) Sigmund Fraud will start making another libelous AOL Home Page shouting and hollering all about "naked men" and "pornographic images!!!" And, his favorite pejorative, "Liars!!!" :-) That goes hand in hand with the code problem, except without the peanut butter sandwiches. "Peanut butter sandwiches?!?" :-) |
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July 8th 04, 05:35 AM
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In article , Mike Coslo
writes: N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: In article , (Steve Robeson K4CAP) writes: Not enough money. Sure there is. It's just a matter of priorities. And everybody's got different ones. If the majority of Americans would rather have better transit than put a man on Mars, whose priority should be followed? Sad to think that the spirit of exploration is just about dead. I don't think it's dead at all, Mike. Maybe I'm hanging out with the wrong people, Jim. And it wasn't the spirit of exploration that sent people to the moon. It was the need to show the Rooskies that we could do better than they could. Yeah, we know why the pols bankrolled it. But I highly doubt that was reason number one in the astronauts minds. Spirit of exploration is great but bankrolling it with trillions of taxpayer dollars is a hard sell when people see the middle class being eroded at every turn... ....and while we are decrying the expense of doing things, we might want to look over our shoulder, someone's catching up and will pass us. Sad to think that a bunch of nerds sitting around in a room guiding robots are what pass for adventurers these days. Sadder to think that such triumphs of engineering are dismissed so easily. Heavens no! I love the engineering. But there is a world of difference between the "adventurers" giving a live press conference from the studio and adventurers being *there*. If that doesn't make a big difference to you , I guess it is kind of a "Jeep" thing. I bet if you asked for volunteers to go on a manned Mars mission, 3 years long, with all sorts of risks and discomforts, the response would be so overwhelming that you'd need a major budget item just to deal with it. Yup. Kind of tells me something. Even more so for a lunar mission. Heck, if you asked for volunteers to go to the Moon on a *permanent* basis (as in "we don't know when or even if there will be space on a ship to bring you back") there'd be the same flood of volunteers. Uh huh! I'd be one of 'em. Even if the Elser-Mathes Cup stays unclaimed.... Nobody but me seems to know what that award is... I looked it up. Too bad the Apollo astronauts didn't have a 2 meter HT.. 8^) The only difference here is that you're asking Joe Average to be ready to give up his/her SUV (or at least keep it garaged a lot more) and they don't want to do it. No, what I'm asking is for a lot more - responsibility. That's what I said, Jim...Joe Average doesn't want to give up his/her SUV. To do so would be to take some responsibility for participating in helping the enviroment. That's cured by education. And it doesn't stop at the SUV-as-a-commuting-vehicle - there are lots of other opportunities to reduce consumption, resulting in eventual energy independence. What do you think of the energy density of hydrogen and it's effect on trying to convert to hydrogen vehicles? That energy density is determined by how the hydrogen is stored. Normally it's quite low, but when comressed, quite a bit of hydrogen can be stored in a small space. Same for methane (natural gas). Trouble is, do you want to drive around with a high pressure fuel tank and fuel lines? One interesting solution is proposed by the same guy who gave us LCDs. His idea (IIRC) is that the hydrogen is stored chemically in metal hydride pellets, which give off hydrogen when warmed by engine waste heat. No high pressure tank. The big hydrogen question is: where do we get all the hydrogen from? My guess is that it would come from electrolysis at hydropower or more likely Nuc power plants. Dunno if it would be done at the same sites where desalinization would (*will*) be happening. (welcome to your future, California!) Of course there will be environmental issues, such as what to do with all the salt. Another biggie is that seawater electrolysis tends to produce chlorine instead of oxygen: http://www2.electrochem.org/cgi-bin/...g=204&abs=0710 Hard to argue that chlorine wouldn't be a pollutant. The anti environmentalists might even agree on that one! and using seawater is probably pretty important, because.... Who on earth is going to want to give up their fresh water? The left coast? Those snarled-at "left coast" people designed the first stage rockets for Apollo. The "left coast" people designed the SSMEs that push shuttle. Hardly likely! They are the ones that are going to be surviving on electrolysis in the future. "Left coast" people are getting electrolysis treatments to remove unwanted hair? I think not. Try removing the internal hair and the left-brain, right-brain thinking when talking about the coastal regions of the UNITED States of America. Washington, Oregon, and northern California have plentiful water. East coast? We're so variable here, and population is eventually simply going to limit fresh water supplies. What has that got to do with amateur radio policy? Note: The FCC does NOT regulate water. BPL = Broadband over Power Lines, NOT over water lines. And just as I don't like biofuels, I think that using a substance that people depend on for their lives like food and water means that some terrible choices might have to be made in the future. Put simply, if it isn't seawater, it isn't going to happen. Are you one of those dihydrogen monoxide extremists? Take that to the dihydrogen monoxide conspiracy newsgroup. Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space without having any space biz experience. :-) |
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