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July 9th 04, 03:58 PM
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Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William) Date: 7/8/2004 7:58 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... There's a glaring example of the blind leading the blind! Steve, K4YZ |
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#162
July 9th 04, 04:00 PM
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Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: (William) Date: 7/9/2004 7:51 AM Central Standard Time Message-id: Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor! Now if we can get YOU to develop a sense of honesty........... Steve, K4YZ |
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#163
July 9th 04, 05:18 PM
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N2EY wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes: N2EY wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... N2EY wrote: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space without having any space biz experience. :-) Translation: Len wants us to shut up. Next step is him calling us "feldwebels" I don't know what a "feldwebel" is, but it sounds like a "weeble". Feldwebels wobble but they don't fall down? It's German for the military rank of "corporal". Which is the rank a certain mid-20th century German chancellor held in the Wehrmacht in WW1. Here's the original post: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...001553%40mb-m1 8.aol.com&output=gplain oh - btw, while on the space exploration thing... I have no doubt that it's technically feasible to go back to the Moon, establish a base there, and even to go to Mars. I have high cofidence that all of the technical problems could be solved. It's just very expensive. The problem isn't one of engineering - it's one of public policy. And such problems are *not* to be left up to those "in the business". Here's one way to go to Mars: First, you need a lowcost method of getting things into earth orbit. The "unmanned cargo space shuttle" idea is one way. Mass production of purpose-designed dockets is another. Second, a couple of unmanned supply ships are assembled in earth orbit. They're unmanned because it's simpler to do it that way. There are a couple of them in case one or two don;t make the journey intact. Third, as soon as the supply ships are ready, they are launched towards Mars. It may take them years to get there but it's of no consequence because they are unmanned. Fourth, a duo or trio of manned Mars ships are assembled in earth orbit. There's more than one of them in case trouble develops. These ships carry only people and the essential supplies for the trip. The landers and Mars surface equipment are on the supply ships. This is done to reduce the weight of the manned ships. They're "hot rods" in that they are designed primarily for speed. They're launched towards Mars at the optimum time for a minimum-time trip. They go to Mars, rendezvous with the supply ships and then the landers on the supply ships go down to the Martian surface. When the surface mission is done, the astronauts get back in the manned ships and come home. I think all of the technical problems could be solved but the cost would be - astronomical. Sounds like the good way to do it. but...but Mike, we're just amateurs! With "vacuum tube transmitters"! Len has told us many, many times how we're nowhere near "state of the art", Oh dear... I'm confused... I like both SOA equipment *and* tube radios. It's all good! I have a confession to make....I actually have a vacuum tube transmitter...and what's worse - I still use the thing, and even worse....I *enjoy* it... And that is great. Tubes were pretty much out of the mainstream when I got involved in electronics, so it isn't a Electro-Luddite thing for me. They are simply cool. how we live by "standards of the 1930s", Whatever that is. It means actually using Morse Code on the air, and thinking it's useful. Its all good. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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#164
July 10th 04, 12:10 AM
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#166
July 10th 04, 12:10 AM
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In article ,
(William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... In article , (William) writes: (Len Over 21) wrote in message ... This is one weird group of licensed amateur extra regulars! To say the least. Did you pick up on the new thread where someone asked if a person works in the industry and has a commercial license, would he be welcomed at a ham radio club meeting? Yes. What wasn't mentioned was the demand that non-amateur radio hobbyists MUST drink from different fountains and use the "special" restrooms. :-) Welp, if they were available, I'd use them too. Some kind of fanatical rabid love of code develops after drinking from the Chalice of Morse. An epiphany strikes? If it strikes the Yell Yell Marine, he's got the right to use lethal force. Not quite the epiphany I had in mind. He would perceive it that way. If he didn't, he'd have to think something nice about it, and since you made the suggestion... Yell-Yell cannot stand certain suggestions. :-) Those suggestions are ALWAYS bad if they come from certain folks. QED. According to Yell Yell, nobody, absolutely NO ONE can possibly know a damn thing about amateur radio without passing a little test, receiving the nice piece of paper with a fancy border (suitable for framing), and then coming on like a Dill Instructor with a mouth full of pickle. Even guys without any "service time" get to claim "real military experience" because they passed the amateur test. I like the case of the guy shooting bears for naval intelligence. :-) Apparently, one gets a Full Knowledge (or something like that) on receiving that call sign. Perhaps a subtle divine voice from on high that imparts all the smarts on hum raddio to the fully licensed? Just like Edgar Casey. Like Cayce and dozens of other self-appointed "judges" of all. [watch...all the PCTAs came out of the woodwork to "correct" you on that name... :-) ] Poor guy can't separate the reality from his murine fantasy of the "amateur corps." "Seven Hostile Dits" More like: Seven Hostile Ditz. :-) "The chalice with the keyer has the brew that is true, the chalice with the mike has the brew that is peew!" - from the motion picture "The Morse Jester" starring Danny Kode. Danny Kode was superb. Alas, they are making color movies today. Morse is colorless. And odorless. It requires a detector. Right! But no electricity..."morse gets through when nothing else do." I think morse is also tasteless. No emotion conveyed beyond the usual stock phrase abbreviations. Can't even laugh right. Hi hi. It fits. Morse is 160 years old. Didn't even have motion pictures back in 1844. But, according to Yell Yell and his kin, ALL amateurs MUST know morse to gain "the true knowledge" on passing the Test. For a hobby activity. It's like the base hobby shop. You have to get signed off on -all- of the equipment or they won't let you in. All except for the phone equipment, the rtty equipment, the sstv equipment, the psk31 equipment, the satellite equipment, the... Your base had a hobby shop? [ :-( ] There's lots of ANGER floating around the newsgripe...yelling and yelling at those who didn't do EXACTLY like the Kodies did or embrace "the service" like it was a murine corps. And all that spittle with all that yelling. Maybe that was what Mike was thinking about when he wanted to talk all about desalinization in this thread? They care more about their "honor" in telling fibs of their exploits then get totally pished at others who have had truthful experience beyond the limitations of Part 97. Fantasyland at times! :-) It's all just a matter of ego. NO!? Say it isn't so... :-) Yup. Sad but true. I am disheartened. snif :-) BPL-PLC will mean an END to low-level signal reception on HF and low VHF in urban areas but the licensed amateur extras in here just want to FIGHT with anyone who challenges their mighty words. Not to worry. Morse always gets thru. Right! That's why all the other radio services rely on morse! :-) They may have to. And amateur radio operators will lead the way to salvation. The Army? ["it's a Service!!!" :-) ] W1AW will be on the AM boradcast band, but in CW. Everyone will be standing in line to have a bfo installed in their Pioneer/Kenwood/Panasonic car stereos. Riiiiiight. :-) No, really. Edgar Casey predicted it. Cayce. [watch the PCTA purists jump in on that surname...they are all very knowledgeable about Edgar Cayce... :-) ] They won't DO anything against the already-here problem of HF pollution but they want to destroy anyone not believeing in their fantasies of the religion of St. Hiram and the League-ionaires. Just notice who's remaining in this sorry group. Yes. Weiner von Brawn and his sidekick in PA. :-) Wheiner (can be pronounced either "wee-ner" or "why-ner") keeps trying to make friends. Is THAT what the putzmacher is trying to do?!?!? In a dysfunctional way. His only means. There's at least two putzmachers in here. May the fnortz be with them and their attempts at purity and ethnic cleansing. Actuarial tables... ...but not enough chairs... Isn't all so much fun to have a private "ham" chat room to talk all about the space program, national economics, traveling salesmen, the educational system, and other assorted "ham interest" items? And arguing with CBers. They impress people wherever they go. If they don't immediately get the attention they think they deserve, they thump their chests a few times to make their "achievements" more visible. I really do wish the FCC would issue some kind of combat infantry badge to these guys. It's called "The Blue Riffle." Comes from riffling through lots of QST ads and product reviews, then portraying themselves as "expert" radio heroes. Ging once, going twice... :-) Even more bizarre is the on-going "discussion" between two extras who have NO experience in space travel talking all about Big Issues in Space...none of which concerns amateur radio policy! :-) They've managed to combine "Missiles of October," and "October Sky." Maybe one day they'll launch an Estes rocket and attain the altitude of 1,200' AGL. If either one cancels their Popular Science subscription, we won't know the answers to all those profound questions of "ham interest" policy problems. Don't forget Popular Mechanics, and Popular Psychology. Ooops. Scratch teh second one. I think it's old NASA brochures and hand-outs of the 70s and 80s. Those don't cost anything from a dump. Like those old Air Force pubs Yell Yell was claiming I got my military experience from. He probably reads them at every CAP meeting. Yell Yell was a Murine. That sums it up. All else are inferior...unless the else are code-tested extras. :-) Brothers in Ditz and Duhs. Well, time to celebrate the 4th coming up...and to worship at the Church of St. Hiram who invented radio and the vacuum tube, etc. :-) Len Never knew the man, but he is legend. ...celebrated in song and story forever, the founder of the Service. A real firecracker that put sparklers in the eyes of all worshippers. [shipping extra cost] :-) Kind of like the followers of Rev. Moon. Oh, NO! Not "mooning" again! :-) Sigmund Fraud will start making another libelous AOL Home Page shouting and hollering all about "naked men" and "pornographic images!!!" And, his favorite pejorative, "Liars!!!" :-) That goes hand in hand with the code problem, except without the peanut butter sandwiches. "Peanut butter sandwiches?!?" :-) I don't think Hiram required them to eat peanut butter sandwiches like the Rev. Moon does. Okay...got the connection. :-) LHA / WMD |
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#167
July 10th 04, 12:10 AM
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In article , Mike Coslo
writes: N2EY wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message ... N2EY wrote: In article , (Len Over 21) writes: Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space without having any space biz experience. :-) Translation: Len wants us to shut up. Next step is him calling us "feldwebels" I don't know what a "feldwebel" is, but it sounds like a "weeble". Feldwebels wobble but they don't fall down? It's German for the military rank of "corporal". Which is the rank a certain mid-20th century German chancellor held in the Wehrmacht in WW1. Here's the original post: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...00001553%40mb- m18.aol.com&output=gplain Hey, let's all go to Google and RELIVE the PAST diss-cushions in here! What fun! :-) Len doesn't exactly show good manners or professional behavior when confronted by a differing opinion or information that proves him to be mistaken. For more of the same, Google that word with him as author. Google EVERYTHING. Relive the past over and over and over and over and over again. Maybe by the zillionth time the walking wounded might score a hit. [poor babies] Of course, Len has no amateur radio experience, but he wants to pontificate to us about How It Should Be in amateur radio. But when you ask him how to fight the BPL menace he has no new ideas at all. Lots of criticism of others on this point but no new ideas. There ya go, Jimmie! Jimmie = ruler on what is "new idea!" [poor baby...] Most of all, note that Len tells us to "Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts" Shouldn't we do the same with BPL? nope. but...but Mike, we're just amateurs! With "vacuum tube transmitters"! Len has told us many, many times how we're nowhere near "state of the art", Oh dear... I'm confused... I like both SOA equipment *and* tube radios. It's all good! how we live by "standards of the 1930s", Whatever that is. OOK CW is a REQUIREMENT of a "real" ham. :-) The NTS is the "backbone" of modern transcontinental messaging. "CW gets through when nothing else will!" :-) All "real" hams LOVE the League. They MUST! how we're not really involved in emergency work, hmm, I am. Plus whatever public service work that comes my way. That's only valid when you have a "real" ham license! :-) nor technical advancement, etc., etc., etc. He's also been consistently critical of ARRL, even to the point of accusing them of fraud (with absolutely no evidence). Yeah, I've read that. There are always some people that hate the big dog in any kennel. Do you lead a dog's life? [ arf? ] :-) Also seems to think that I am somehow responsible for the posts of others.... Now he seems to think we should know how to defeat BPL - even though he doesn't. Odd. Very odd. High expectations for the 1930's standards people, eh? Poor Jimmie, all stressed out by the slightest negative comment. Retreats to Google to relive the past, hoping to snarl again and "win." :-) LHA / WMD |
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#168
July 10th 04, 12:10 AM
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In article , Mike Coslo writes:
Len Over 21 wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: snippage My guess is that it would come from electrolysis at hydropower or more likely Nuc power plants. Dunno if it would be done at the same sites where desalinization would (*will*) be happening. (welcome to your future, California!) Of course there will be environmental issues, such as what to do with all the salt. Another biggie is that seawater electrolysis tends to produce chlorine instead of oxygen: http://www2.electrochem.org/cgi-bin/...g=204&abs=0710 Hard to argue that chlorine wouldn't be a pollutant. The anti environmentalists might even agree on that one! and using seawater is probably pretty important, because.... Who on earth is going to want to give up their fresh water? The left coast? Those snarled-at "left coast" people designed the first stage rockets for Apollo. The "left coast" people designed the SSMEs that push shuttle. Who's snarling? People need water, and yer going to run out sometime, unless the water sources decide to keep up with population growth. Since it's unlikely that the present sources are going to expand, that leaves desalinization. And in the content of what I'm talking about with Jim, it isn't likely that the left coast is not going to want to give up whatever fresh water they have. Where's the "left coast" you are talking about? What has water and desalinization to do with either the space biz or amteur radio policy? [answer = nothing] Hardly likely! They are the ones that are going to be surviving on electrolysis in the future. "Left coast" people are getting electrolysis treatments to remove unwanted hair? I think not. Try removing the internal hair and the left-brain, right-brain thinking when talking about the coastal regions of the UNITED States of America. Washington, Oregon, and northern California have plentiful water. East coast? We're so variable here, and population is eventually simply going to limit fresh water supplies. Washington, Oregon, and California are all on the WEST coast. Alaska and Hawaii have lots of coasts, are more WEST than the rest. What has that got to do with amateur radio policy? Note: The FCC does NOT regulate water. BPL = Broadband over Power Lines, NOT over water lines. No answer? Stymied for a Ham Chat Room comment? :-) And just as I don't like biofuels, I think that using a substance that people depend on for their lives like food and water means that some terrible choices might have to be made in the future. Put simply, if it isn't seawater, it isn't going to happen. Are you one of those dihydrogen monoxide extremists? Water you talking about? 8^) Water ya have? Take that to the dihydrogen monoxide conspiracy newsgroup. Leave the space business stuff to the industry experts, like those two who have already pontificated aplenty on How To Do Space without having any space biz experience. :-) Taken under advisement. Now I think I'll go back to discussing this with Jim. Feel free to jump in the conversation any time if you like. Jimmie don' lak no diss-cushion with non-hams. He walking wounded from past diss-cushions. Tsk, tsk. Jimmie don' wanna tawk 'bout BPL. He guru, big noise in grope. Tawk all 'bout anyting else, millions of words. :-) Jimmie got "new ideas?" Not so. Jimmie can't even stay on the general subject of amateur radio. :-) LHA / WMD |
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#169
July 10th 04, 04:47 AM
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In article , Mike Coslo writes:
N2EY wrote: In article , Mike Coslo writes: I think all of the technical problems could be solved but the cost would be astronomical. Sounds like the good way to do it. Of course it's not the only way, and just a layman's view. Mars is a different proposition than the moon because it's so much farther away. And unlike earth orbit, there's no escape nor quick resupply. I have a confession to make....I actually have a vacuum tube transmitter...and what's worse - I still use the thing, and even worse....I *enjoy* it... And that is great. Tubes were pretty much out of the mainstream when I got involved in electronics, so it isn't a Electro-Luddite thing for me. I entered EE school in the fall of 1972, and I think tubes were mentioned exactly once in the coursework of all 4 years. The philosophy was that they were similar enough to FETs that if you ever needed to know about them, you'd be pretty close thinking of them as high-voltage FETs. They are simply cool. Yup. how we live by "standards of the 1930s", Whatever that is. It means actually using Morse Code on the air, and thinking it's useful. Its all good. Exactly. But I think that really bothers some folks. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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#170
July 10th 04, 06:12 AM
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William wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in message ... William wrote: Just like Edgar Casey. No, really. Edgar Casey predicted it. Edgar Cayce. I don't think Hiram required them to eat peanut butter sandwiches like the Rev. Moon does. No peanut butter, only Rev. Moon Pies. Dave K8MN Eight years of usenet therapy and Dave develops a sense of humor! Way to go, Dave I've had a sense of humor all along, "William". Glad to have provided you with some theraputic treatment. Dave K8MN |
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