The ARRL Letter
Vol. 23, No. 25
June 18, 2004
[The ARRL has weighed in on behalf of Iowa amateur and ARRL member Jim
Spencer, W0SR, of Cedar Rapids, who has suffered severe broadband over
power line (BPL) interference for more than two months. A formal complaint
to FCC Enforcement Bureau Chief David H. Solomon calls on the Commission
not only to order Alliant Energy's BPL field trial system to shut down but
to fine the utility $10,000 for violating the Communications Act of 1934
and FCC Part 15 rules. Alleging "ongoing harmful and willful interference
to one or more licensed radio stations," the ARRL asked Solomon to
intervene "on an emergency basis." ]


http://www.uplc.utc.org/index.v3page?p=44489

http://www.uplc.utc.org/file_depot/0...der/33324/UPLC
%20Comments%205_3_2004.pdf

Power companies are in full denial! (Just saying it doesn't make it true.)
If you believe what's being said by UPLC, I have some great land to sell you
in Florida, and a wonderful bridge investment in New York. (When did the BPL
interference spectrum drop to 1.7 MHz ??)

ak

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - THE UPLC
STORY - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
SUMMARY
The UPLC generally supports the FCC's initiative to develop rules that will
support the deployment of broadband over power line systems that will help
achieve President Bush's goal of universal affordable broadband access by
2007.1 The President supports the development of technical standards for BPL
towards that goal.2 Utilities and technology providers are poised to meet
this ambitious goal and the UPLC appreciates the strong support of the FCC
in its BPL proceedings.

The UPLC believes that the definition of Access BPL is potentially
over-inclusive and should be slightly revised. The UPLC supports the
proposal to retain the existing emission limits at the present time,
recognizing that the FCC is proceeding cautiously, even though it has found
that the interference potential from BPL is low.

Before the Federal Communications Commission
Washington, D.C. 20554
In the Matter of Carrier Current Systems, including Broadband over Power
Line Systems
ET Docket No. 03-104
ET Docket No. 04-37
Amendment of Part 15 regarding new requirements and measurement guidelines
for Access Broadband over Power Lines Systems
COMMENTS OF THE UNITED POWER LINE COUNCIL

Pursuant to Section 1.415 of the Federal Communications Commission ("FCC")
Rules, the United Power Line Council ("UPLC") hereby submits its comments in
response to the Notice of Proposed Rule Making in the above referenced
proceeding.3 The UPLC supports the proposal to retain the existing emission
limits at this time, and suggests only slight changes to the operational
limits proposed for Access BPL systems, as well as the proposed definition
of Access BPL. Finally, the UPLC supports the proposed measurement
guidelines, which will produce consistent and repeatable results that
demonstrate compliance with the Part 15 rules. The UPLC heartily thanks the
FCC for its support in developing these rules, which strike a very
conservative and pragmatic.

.. . . .

The UPLC is dismayed by the misinformation accepted as gospel by opponents
of Access BPL systems. Despite apocalyptic predictions that "BPL is a
Pandora's box of unprecedented proportions", the UPLC agrees with the FCC
that Access BPL devices will not cause the power lines to "act as countless
miles of transmission lines all radiating RF energy along their full
length."6 These opponents have produced no scientific evidence to show
otherwise, and all the measurements in the field contradict their abstract
calculations. The industry continues to test and to address these concerns
with licensees in areas where systems have been deployed, but there needs to
be a rule of reason when it comes to allegations of BPL interference, and
the UPLC applauds the FCC for making that message clear in this proceeding.

Definition of Access BPL
The proposed definition of Access BPL systems should be narrowly tailored to
apply only to systems used to provide broadband access to the customer
premises. As such, the UPLC recommends this slightly revised version of the
FCC's language in the NPRM: Access Broadband over power line (Access BPL): A
carrier current system that transmits high frequency (1.7 MHz) radio
frequency energy by conduction over electric power lines owned, operated, or
controlled by an electric service provider for the purpose of delivering
broadband data services. The electric power lines may be aerial or
underground, but do not include power lines within the customer premises or
in riser conduit within buildings. Access BPL does not include power line
carrier systems, as defined in Section 15.113 of the Commission's rules.

.. . . .

King Zulu wrote:

The ARRL Letter
Vol. 23, No. 25
June 18, 2004
[The ARRL has weighed in on behalf of Iowa amateur and ARRL member Jim
Spencer, W0SR, of Cedar Rapids, who has suffered severe broadband over
power line (BPL) interference for more than two months. A formal complaint
to FCC Enforcement Bureau Chief David H. Solomon calls on the Commission
not only to order Alliant Energy's BPL field trial system to shut down but
to fine the utility $10,000 for violating the Communications Act of 1934
and FCC Part 15 rules. Alleging "ongoing harmful and willful interference
to one or more licensed radio stations," the ARRL asked Solomon to
intervene "on an emergency basis." ]



Now we will see if the FCC will abide by their own part 15 rules and
shut BPL down until when/if the problem is fixed. Anyone want to bet
they don't?

In article , JJ
writes:

Now we will see if the FCC will abide by their own part 15 rules and
shut BPL down until when/if the problem is fixed. Anyone want to bet
they don't?

No.

I think/hope what will really kill BPL is economics. It simply won't be able to
compete with DSL, cable and other technologies.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , JJ
writes:

Now we will see if the FCC will abide by their own part 15 rules and
shut BPL down until when/if the problem is fixed. Anyone want to bet
they don't?

No.

I think/hope what will really kill BPL is economics. It simply won't be
able to
compete with DSL, cable and other technologies.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Bush appointed Powell, lets boot Bush, replace him with anyone who will work
for the people,
not the rich corporations!

http://k0bkl.org/bpl.htm

John Anderson K0BKL

N2EY wrote:

In article , JJ
writes:


Now we will see if the FCC will abide by their own part 15 rules and
shut BPL down until when/if the problem is fixed. Anyone want to bet
they don't?


No.

I think/hope what will really kill BPL is economics. It simply won't be able to
compete with DSL, cable and other technologies.


So many times in history, Ideology has chosen to ignore everything but
that ideology's belief. That is one of the reasons that idealogs hate
science.

As absurd as it may seem, the BPL push is part of current ideology. As
such, as long as the current ideology is in place, BPL WILL HAPPEN! Once
it comes up against science and laws of nature, as well as the
marketplace, it will quite simply fail.

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , JJ
writes:

Now we will see if the FCC will abide by their own part 15 rules and
shut BPL down until when/if the problem is fixed. Anyone want to bet
they don't?

No.

I think/hope what will really kill BPL is economics. It simply won't be able
to
compete with DSL, cable and other technologies.

So many times in history, Ideology has chosen to ignore everything but
that ideology's belief. That is one of the reasons that idealogs hate
science.

As absurd as it may seem, the BPL push is part of current ideology. As
such, as long as the current ideology is in place, BPL WILL HAPPEN! Once
it comes up against science and laws of nature, as well as the
marketplace, it will quite simply fail.

Sad to say, BPL (and PLC) already happened. Three areas now and
a fourth coming on-line soon in the USA.

According to NTIA and that wonderful Michael Gallagher (Asst.
something or other there) praising the snit out of BPL, BPL offers
some wonderful things ahead -

1. Powerline noise will actually DROP as a result of installing BPL
since untilies must fix that in order for BPL to get data through!

2. Existing BPL systems 'merely' raise the HF noise floor the
small amount of 10 db. Not a problem says them in Phase
2 study.

3. President Bush (the younger) says "the country needs BPL"
and the party faithfull followers reprise that throwaway mantra.
Ergo, if da Prez say 'we' need it, then 'we' need it. End msg.

"Idealogues?" Nah. "Take-the-lobbyist-handout-monies-and-run-
logues."

Don't worry about any HF receiver sensitivity values in the future.
Won't matter. Noise floor will have moved up 10 db and a Noise
Factor of 20+ in a front end will do the job in that hash.

In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , JJ
writes:

Now we will see if the FCC will abide by their own part 15 rules and
shut BPL down until when/if the problem is fixed. Anyone want to bet
they don't?

No.

I think/hope what will really kill BPL is economics. It simply won't be
able to compete with DSL, cable and other technologies.

So many times in history, Ideology has chosen to ignore everything but
that ideology's belief. That is one of the reasons that idealogs hate
science.

Yep.

They also choose to ignore the past, which is why they also hate history. You
see this in their cries of "Luddite" and "we're in a new era now" and "stop
living in the past".

As absurd as it may seem, the BPL push is part of current ideology.

Part of *some people's* current ideology.

And it may be more of a question of expediency than ideology.

The recent boom-dot-bust mess hit a lot of folks hard. While the economy slowly
recovers and unemployment drops, a lot of good (read "manufacturing jobs with
decent pay and benefits") jobs are being replaced by "service economy" jobs
(read "do you want fries with that?").

With the election only months away, the incumbents want to be seen as doing and
supporting things that will result in more "good" jobs and start another
technoboom. The reality won't hit for at least a year, at which time it can be
blamed on the "liberals" and the "antenna huggers" and such.

As
such, as long as the current ideology is in place, BPL WILL HAPPEN!

It's already in service at a few sites. The direct result of people wanting
"less regulation" and "get the government off our backs".

Once
it comes up against science and laws of nature, as well as the
marketplace, it will quite simply fail.

I hope so.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Subject: BPL - UPLC -Repeat the lie three times and claim it for truth
From: "John Anderson"
Date: 6/19/2004 7:52 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: qd5Bc.119983$3x.87399@attbi_s54


"N2EY" wrote in message
...

I think/hope what will really kill BPL is economics. It simply won't be
able to
compete with DSL, cable and other technologies.

73 de Jim, N2EY

Bush appointed Powell, lets boot Bush, replace him with anyone who will work
for the people,
not the rich corporations!

And replace him with who? John Kerry? A guy who sat side-by-side with
this Nation's disgrace, Jane "Hanoi" Fonda...?!?!

Both of whom "support the troops" by making public statements that give
aid and comfort to this Nation's foes WHILE we are in conflict with them...?!?!

George Bush is not the most eloquent speaker and like any other Human
Being, doesn't always get things right...But he's a man of TRUE moral
conviction and honesty. Replacing him with a creep like Kerry would be a
travesty and would send the wrong message to the World.

This country got rid of one lying, deceiving creep and narrowly avoided
electing another.

Steve, K4YZ

Yes,

We got rid of Nixon. Now we need to dump Bush.

Best regards from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA



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It would seem prudent to have the ARRL petition the FCC to raise amateur
power limits to partially recover that lost 10 dB. I think perhaps a 10 kw
limit would be close enough. It might also make BPL communications a bit
dicey too

Seriously, however, it is going to be interesting when BPL lines are found
adjacent to an active amateurs' property. BPL *will* be affected by rf.
Fire up your gallons.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA


"Len Over 21" wrote in message
...
In article , Mike Coslo
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , JJ
writes:

Now we will see if the FCC will abide by their own part 15 rules and
shut BPL down until when/if the problem is fixed. Anyone want to bet
they don't?

No.

I think/hope what will really kill BPL is economics. It simply won't be
able
to
compete with DSL, cable and other technologies.

So many times in history, Ideology has chosen to ignore everything but
that ideology's belief. That is one of the reasons that idealogs hate
science.

As absurd as it may seem, the BPL push is part of current ideology. As
such, as long as the current ideology is in place, BPL WILL HAPPEN! Once
it comes up against science and laws of nature, as well as the
marketplace, it will quite simply fail.

Sad to say, BPL (and PLC) already happened. Three areas now and
a fourth coming on-line soon in the USA.

According to NTIA and that wonderful Michael Gallagher (Asst.
something or other there) praising the snit out of BPL, BPL offers
some wonderful things ahead -

1. Powerline noise will actually DROP as a result of installing BPL
since untilies must fix that in order for BPL to get data through!

2. Existing BPL systems 'merely' raise the HF noise floor the
small amount of 10 db. Not a problem says them in Phase
2 study.

3. President Bush (the younger) says "the country needs BPL"
and the party faithfull followers reprise that throwaway mantra.
Ergo, if da Prez say 'we' need it, then 'we' need it. End msg.

"Idealogues?" Nah. "Take-the-lobbyist-handout-monies-and-run-
logues."

Don't worry about any HF receiver sensitivity values in the future.
Won't matter. Noise floor will have moved up 10 db and a Noise
Factor of 20+ in a front end will do the job in that hash.




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