"me" wrote in message
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52...
Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year for
regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

Since the FCC has given testing responsibility to the amateur community, the
FCC simply issues the license so they don't have any vested interest in
eliminating testing. And of course they issue the regulations and enforce
those regulations like they do for all communications services.

Besides testing is needed to attempt to insure that the licensees will have
learned the basics of operating. Hams have such a wide range of privileges
and frequencies that some basic knowledge truly is a necessity. We already
have enough lids slip through so let's not make it worse.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
[snip]
This is America, and you are allowed to ask any price you want for what
you sell. The buyer can also offer any price they want.

I would suggest that if a person is firm on all their prices, and
doesn't want to deal, they might want to sell retail.

Unless, of course, their price is already ridiculously low. I was selling a
used tuner at a hamfest for 1/4 of what a new one would be as I simply
didn't like it, wanted to get a different one, and wanted to be sure to sell
it. A guy tried to bargain me down but I simply told him that we both knew
what they sold for both new and used and I wasn't budging. He forked over
the asking price.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: "Dee D. Flint"
Date: 7/10/2004 7:19 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"me" wrote in message
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52...
Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year for
regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

Since the FCC has given testing responsibility to the amateur community, the
FCC simply issues the license so they don't have any vested interest in
eliminating testing. And of course they issue the regulations and enforce
those regulations like they do for all communications services.

Besides testing is needed to attempt to insure that the licensees will have
learned the basics of operating. Hams have such a wide range of privileges
and frequencies that some basic knowledge truly is a necessity. We already
have enough lids slip through so let's not make it worse.

Dee,

I was going to dismiss the troll's post simply on the basis that it was
written by someone who doesn't have the gonads to sign his/her name to thier
public comments (read that: coward) but then I got to thinking that there might
be something to it.

You know, of course, that I work in healthcare as an ER nurse...And you
would be absolutely shocked at the number of people who come to the ER in
distress because they claim they can't "afford" thier medicines...Of course
they either wreak of cigarette smoke, metabolized alcohol, or both...but they
can't "afford" medicine.

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license that is over
$48M a year for the General Treasury coffers. Of course for that I'd expect a
lot stricter policing of the bands by Riley & Co for it, but hey, let's do
it...

I am willing to bet that most of the idiots who are discipline problems on
the bands are smokers, too. That $75 would be a whole lot of cigarettes, even
at present day prices. And there is one ultimate truism...Smokers will forego
food, debts and common sense in order to buy more cigarettes (as will
alcoholics for more alcohol...). I am willing to bet the scufflaws on 75 and
20 meters would go away in short order after the extra money for enforcement
nails them to the wall.

My license is worth $75/year to me. I'd pony up the cash. And I can
promise you you will never see my name in one of Riley's "letters" on the ARRL
website!

73

Steve, K4YZ

"me" wrote in
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52:

Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I
also believe that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

"Burp not Burr" wrote in message
groups.com...

"Minnie Bannister" wrote in
message ...
The fee for a Vanity Call will rise on August 6 from $16.30 to
$20.80. This is for a 10-year license.

Doing the math, that comes out to about $2.08
per year, or 0.0057 CENTS per-day over the
course of a 10-Year period...........

How much do you wanna bet however that the
average traditionally el-cheapo ham radio operator
will ****-and-moan like a stuck pig over a 0.0057
Cent-per-day fee...??? (my guess is alot will !)

For example, I was selling at a hamfest in Pa last
month. Had a shoebox full of miniature tubes for
$1.00 each. A real bargain considering tubes are
going for much more on e-Bay. This putz comes
walking up, digs thru the box for 2 minutes and pulls
out *one* tube and wants it for 35 cents. I was willing
to let it go for 75 cents but he wants it for 35 cents.
No deal. He puts it back (tosses it) and gets all
smart-ass saying "you'll sell it to me later for 35 Cents."
The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
and wanted $1.00 for it. This putz goes completely nuts saying
he's looked all over 4 hamfests for this tube and he
couldn't believe I smashed it. Jumpin up and down like a looney
and me quietly hoping he would have a stroke right there
as he must have weighed 300 pounds. A real "Eddie Slobbo"
fer sure - baaaaaa hahahahah!! I just laughed and offered
him a pleasant balance of the afternoon.

After he left the dealers either side of me were almost teary-eyed
laughing at the spectacle of this event, and we each shared a Pepsi
from my trusty Coleman cooler and had a nice late-lunch at the
pizza hut afterwards.

El-Cheapo hams....always too much FUN to pass up
the opportunity to poke'em-with-a-stick thru the
monkey bars !! : ) : ) : )







You're crazy if you beleive that. I could see the vanity call fee
eventuallly getting that high, but the rest of your prediction is way off.

Alun wrote in message . ..
"me" wrote in
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52:

Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I
also believe that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

"Burp not Burr" wrote in message
groups.com...

"Minnie Bannister" wrote in
message ...
The fee for a Vanity Call will rise on August 6 from $16.30 to
$20.80. This is for a 10-year license.

Doing the math, that comes out to about $2.08
per year, or 0.0057 CENTS per-day over the
course of a 10-Year period...........

How much do you wanna bet however that the
average traditionally el-cheapo ham radio operator
will ****-and-moan like a stuck pig over a 0.0057
Cent-per-day fee...??? (my guess is alot will !)

For example, I was selling at a hamfest in Pa last
month. Had a shoebox full of miniature tubes for
$1.00 each. A real bargain considering tubes are
going for much more on e-Bay. This putz comes
walking up, digs thru the box for 2 minutes and pulls
out *one* tube and wants it for 35 cents. I was willing
to let it go for 75 cents but he wants it for 35 cents.
No deal. He puts it back (tosses it) and gets all
smart-ass saying "you'll sell it to me later for 35 Cents."
The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
and wanted $1.00 for it. This putz goes completely nuts saying
he's looked all over 4 hamfests for this tube and he
couldn't believe I smashed it. Jumpin up and down like a looney
and me quietly hoping he would have a stroke right there
as he must have weighed 300 pounds. A real "Eddie Slobbo"
fer sure - baaaaaa hahahahah!! I just laughed and offered
him a pleasant balance of the afternoon.

After he left the dealers either side of me were almost teary-eyed
laughing at the spectacle of this event, and we each shared a Pepsi
from my trusty Coleman cooler and had a nice late-lunch at the
pizza hut afterwards.

El-Cheapo hams....always too much FUN to pass up
the opportunity to poke'em-with-a-stick thru the
monkey bars !! : ) : ) : )







You're crazy if you beleive that. I could see the vanity call fee
eventuallly getting that high, but the rest of your prediction is way off.

Alun, are you saying that its the vanity people that require them most
regulatory attention, and thus should pay more?

(William) wrote in
om:

Alun wrote in message
. ..
"me" wrote in
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52:

Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per
year for regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate
testing. I also believe that is how it will eventually be in the
near future.

73,

Me

"Burp not Burr" wrote in message
groups.com...

"Minnie Bannister" wrote in
message ...
The fee for a Vanity Call will rise on August 6 from $16.30 to
$20.80. This is for a 10-year license.

Doing the math, that comes out to about $2.08
per year, or 0.0057 CENTS per-day over the
course of a 10-Year period...........

How much do you wanna bet however that the
average traditionally el-cheapo ham radio operator
will ****-and-moan like a stuck pig over a 0.0057
Cent-per-day fee...??? (my guess is alot will !)

For example, I was selling at a hamfest in Pa last
month. Had a shoebox full of miniature tubes for
$1.00 each. A real bargain considering tubes are
going for much more on e-Bay. This putz comes
walking up, digs thru the box for 2 minutes and pulls
out *one* tube and wants it for 35 cents. I was willing
to let it go for 75 cents but he wants it for 35 cents.
No deal. He puts it back (tosses it) and gets all
smart-ass saying "you'll sell it to me later for 35 Cents."
The schmuck comes back 1/2 hour later digs it out
and asks for it for 35 Cents again. I say OK, offer to
wrap it, he hands it to me and while he's reachin for his
35 cents, I dropped the tube on the ground and smashed
it with my trusty Nike, then told him I changed my mind
and wanted $1.00 for it. This putz goes completely nuts saying
he's looked all over 4 hamfests for this tube and he
couldn't believe I smashed it. Jumpin up and down like a looney
and me quietly hoping he would have a stroke right there
as he must have weighed 300 pounds. A real "Eddie Slobbo"
fer sure - baaaaaa hahahahah!! I just laughed and offered
him a pleasant balance of the afternoon.

After he left the dealers either side of me were almost teary-eyed
laughing at the spectacle of this event, and we each shared a Pepsi
from my trusty Coleman cooler and had a nice late-lunch at the
pizza hut afterwards.

El-Cheapo hams....always too much FUN to pass up
the opportunity to poke'em-with-a-stick thru the
monkey bars !! : ) : ) : )







You're crazy if you beleive that. I could see the vanity call fee
eventuallly getting that high, but the rest of your prediction is way
off.

Alun, are you saying that its the vanity people that require them most
regulatory attention, and thus should pay more?


No. How could you get that from what I said?

All I am saying, if I have to spell it out, is that there is absolutely
zero probability of theory testing being abolished and not much more
likelihood that fees will be reintroduced for other than vanity calls.

And furthermore, a $75 fee is not in the least likely to reduce bad
behaviour on the air.

Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

[snip]
This is America, and you are allowed to ask any price you want for what
you sell. The buyer can also offer any price they want.

I would suggest that if a person is firm on all their prices, and
doesn't want to deal, they might want to sell retail.


Unless, of course, their price is already ridiculously low. I was selling a
used tuner at a hamfest for 1/4 of what a new one would be as I simply
didn't like it, wanted to get a different one, and wanted to be sure to sell
it. A guy tried to bargain me down but I simply told him that we both knew
what they sold for both new and used and I wasn't budging. He forked over
the asking price.

At 1/4 price, sure! I usually won't buy above 1/2 of currently
manufactured price. Elswise, I'm happy to buy new, with a warrantee and
I'm also not buying someone elses problems. My main point in this whole
discussion is that there are a lot of sellers that seem to hate buyers.
The Carny vs Rube thing.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

[snip]
This is America, and you are allowed to ask any price you want for what
you sell. The buyer can also offer any price they want.

I would suggest that if a person is firm on all their prices, and
doesn't want to deal, they might want to sell retail.


Unless, of course, their price is already ridiculously low. I was
selling a
used tuner at a hamfest for 1/4 of what a new one would be as I simply
didn't like it, wanted to get a different one, and wanted to be sure to
sell
it. A guy tried to bargain me down but I simply told him that we both
knew
what they sold for both new and used and I wasn't budging. He forked
over
the asking price.

At 1/4 price, sure! I usually won't buy above 1/2 of currently
manufactured price. Elswise, I'm happy to buy new, with a warrantee and
I'm also not buying someone elses problems. My main point in this whole
discussion is that there are a lot of sellers that seem to hate buyers.
The Carny vs Rube thing.

- Mike KB3EIA -


My point was that he STILL tried to bargain me down even though we both knew
it was already lower than it should have been.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Since when does the US care about so called ``treaties."

73,

Me

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...

"me" wrote in message
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52...
Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for
regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

Since the FCC has given testing responsibility to the amateur community,
the
FCC simply issues the license so they don't have any vested interest in
eliminating testing. And of course they issue the regulations and enforce
those regulations like they do for all communications services.

Besides testing is needed to attempt to insure that the licensees will
have
learned the basics of operating. Hams have such a wide range of
privileges
and frequencies that some basic knowledge truly is a necessity. We
already
have enough lids slip through so let's not make it worse.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

and just who do you think you are that everyone should give their name and
call on here??? I certainly don't have to answer to you!!

Ciao,

Me

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...
Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: "Dee D. Flint"
Date: 7/10/2004 7:19 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"me" wrote in message
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52...
Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for
regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties
require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

Since the FCC has given testing responsibility to the amateur community,
the
FCC simply issues the license so they don't have any vested interest in
eliminating testing. And of course they issue the regulations and
enforce
those regulations like they do for all communications services.

Besides testing is needed to attempt to insure that the licensees will
have
learned the basics of operating. Hams have such a wide range of
privileges
and frequencies that some basic knowledge truly is a necessity. We
already
have enough lids slip through so let's not make it worse.

Dee,

I was going to dismiss the troll's post simply on the basis that it
was
written by someone who doesn't have the gonads to sign his/her name to
thier
public comments (read that: coward) but then I got to thinking that there
might
be something to it.

You know, of course, that I work in healthcare as an ER nurse...And
you
would be absolutely shocked at the number of people who come to the ER in
distress because they claim they can't "afford" thier medicines...Of
course
they either wreak of cigarette smoke, metabolized alcohol, or both...but
they
can't "afford" medicine.

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license that is
over
$48M a year for the General Treasury coffers. Of course for that I'd
expect a
lot stricter policing of the bands by Riley & Co for it, but hey, let's do
it...

I am willing to bet that most of the idiots who are discipline
problems on
the bands are smokers, too. That $75 would be a whole lot of cigarettes,
even
at present day prices. And there is one ultimate truism...Smokers will
forego
food, debts and common sense in order to buy more cigarettes (as will
alcoholics for more alcohol...). I am willing to bet the scufflaws on 75
and
20 meters would go away in short order after the extra money for
enforcement
nails them to the wall.

My license is worth $75/year to me. I'd pony up the cash. And I can
promise you you will never see my name in one of Riley's "letters" on the
ARRL
website!

73

Steve, K4YZ