Dee D. Flint wrote:
Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

They used to require Morse code. The testing requirements could be
removed just as easily as the Morse requirements were.

--
Spammers are people who are too lazy and cowardly to rob liquor stores, but
still want to make money by stealing instead of working.
-- Morely Dotes, The Open Sourceror's Apprentice

and OTOH, Riley is an ass...If he was smart, he'd have his own law firm
making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year defending clients against the
FCC. But working a Gov't job proves that he can't survive in the REAL
world, folks. I'll just give you a couple of examples of his stupidity.
First he tells hams that they can't operate on 146.52 and that they should
make contact and then QSY. Second, he tells us hams that we can't use
phonetics when ID'ing...I mean come on people, you don't need to be a rocket
scientist to know that!!

Ciao,

Me

"me" wrote in message
news:BVZHc.63953$XM6.30522@attbi_s53...
and just who do you think you are that everyone should give their name and
call on here??? I certainly don't have to answer to you!!

Ciao,

Me

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote in message
...
Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: "Dee D. Flint"
Date: 7/10/2004 7:19 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"me" wrote in message
news:FJQHc.62140$Oq2.29491@attbi_s52...
Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for
regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

Me

Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties
require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

Since the FCC has given testing responsibility to the amateur
community,
the
FCC simply issues the license so they don't have any vested interest in
eliminating testing. And of course they issue the regulations and
enforce
those regulations like they do for all communications services.

Besides testing is needed to attempt to insure that the licensees will
have
learned the basics of operating. Hams have such a wide range of
privileges
and frequencies that some basic knowledge truly is a necessity. We
already
have enough lids slip through so let's not make it worse.

Dee,

I was going to dismiss the troll's post simply on the basis that it
was
written by someone who doesn't have the gonads to sign his/her name to
thier
public comments (read that: coward) but then I got to thinking that
there
might
be something to it.

You know, of course, that I work in healthcare as an ER nurse...And
you
would be absolutely shocked at the number of people who come to the ER
in
distress because they claim they can't "afford" thier medicines...Of
course
they either wreak of cigarette smoke, metabolized alcohol, or both...but
they
can't "afford" medicine.

So...ballpark the number of Amatuers at 650K...At $75/license that
is
over
$48M a year for the General Treasury coffers. Of course for that I'd
expect a
lot stricter policing of the bands by Riley & Co for it, but hey, let's
do
it...

I am willing to bet that most of the idiots who are discipline
problems on
the bands are smokers, too. That $75 would be a whole lot of
cigarettes,
even
at present day prices. And there is one ultimate truism...Smokers will
forego
food, debts and common sense in order to buy more cigarettes (as will
alcoholics for more alcohol...). I am willing to bet the scufflaws on
75
and
20 meters would go away in short order after the extra money for
enforcement
nails them to the wall.

My license is worth $75/year to me. I'd pony up the cash. And I
can
promise you you will never see my name in one of Riley's "letters" on
the
ARRL
website!

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: Vanity Call fee going up in August
From: "me"
Date: 7/10/2004 5:17 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: BVZHc.63953$XM6.30522@attbi_s53

and just who do you think you are that everyone should give their name and
call on here??? I certainly don't have to answer to you!!

No, you don't. That's your right.

And the Constitution guarantees EVERYONE the right to be a coward if they
so choose.

You chose. No problem.

If you place so little value in your own opinion that you won't sign your
name to them, what makes you expect that anyone else should take them
seriously?

Steve, K4YZ

me wrote:

Since when does the US care about so called ``treaties."

Since when does anyone here care about you?

..
Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year for
regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

me

Hello me ??????? oh well .........

You have an excellent suggestion there regarding the 75 bucks a year. That
would get the Feds the kind of enforcement clout that would have all the
echo chambers, illegal KW users, freebanders, shrimp boat screw-ups, 25
alternator pick-ups, 10 meter truckers, illegal 11 meter bums ETC. running
for the hills, burying their illegal rigs under the manure pile and getting
into leather working or beanie babies. The enforcement WAS that way. I
know a lot of people in the past who got hit with $500 (1965 dollar) fines.
So me you have a very positive idea there ...one that I would have no
trouble with. IF one really wanted to be a ham then 75 clams would be a
bargain. However the cheep-Os would be squealing like a greased pig if this
were to pass. Also the testing could be given back to the FCC where it
belonged in the first place where, like I said before, shenanigans could
be minimized.

Testing elimination ? ...... probably not for a while but one thing I would
suggest is that with the funds the present 11 meter system could be shut
down permanently and placed up on UHF where CB would realize its original
intent.

Take care all ...... KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa

I have a joke for you guys...What does a 200 lb canary say??

answer

cheap cheap cheap!!! hahahaha!!!


"garigue" wrote in message
news:Kh%Hc.64407$XM6.34596@attbi_s53...

.
Personally, I believe Amateur Radio Licenses should cost $75 per year
for
regulatory fees and the Commission should elimanate testing. I also
believe
that is how it will eventually be in the near future.

73,

me

Hello me ??????? oh well .........

You have an excellent suggestion there regarding the 75 bucks a year.
That
would get the Feds the kind of enforcement clout that would have all the
echo chambers, illegal KW users, freebanders, shrimp boat screw-ups, 25
alternator pick-ups, 10 meter truckers, illegal 11 meter bums ETC. running
for the hills, burying their illegal rigs under the manure pile and
getting
into leather working or beanie babies. The enforcement WAS that way. I
know a lot of people in the past who got hit with $500 (1965 dollar)
fines.
So me you have a very positive idea there ...one that I would have no
trouble with. IF one really wanted to be a ham then 75 clams would be a
bargain. However the cheep-Os would be squealing like a greased pig if
this
were to pass. Also the testing could be given back to the FCC where it
belonged in the first place where, like I said before, shenanigans could
be minimized.

Testing elimination ? ...... probably not for a while but one thing I
would
suggest is that with the funds the present 11 meter system could be shut
down permanently and placed up on UHF where CB would realize its original
intent.

Take care all ...... KI3R Tom Popovic Belle Vernon Pa

In article , clifto
writes:

Dee D. Flint wrote:
Doubtful that testing would be eliminated. International treaties require
that there is proof the operators meet minimum qualifications.

They used to require Morse code. The testing requirements could be
removed just as easily as the Morse requirements were.

And arguments very similar or identical to those used against the Morse code
exams can be used against almost all of the writtens, too.

Heck, lookat the NCVEC "Communicator" proposal...

73 de Jim, N2EY

Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


Dee D. Flint wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


[snip]
This is America, and you are allowed to ask any price you want for what
you sell. The buyer can also offer any price they want.

I would suggest that if a person is firm on all their prices, and
doesn't want to deal, they might want to sell retail.


Unless, of course, their price is already ridiculously low. I was

selling a

used tuner at a hamfest for 1/4 of what a new one would be as I simply
didn't like it, wanted to get a different one, and wanted to be sure to

sell

it. A guy tried to bargain me down but I simply told him that we both

knew

what they sold for both new and used and I wasn't budging. He forked

over

the asking price.

At 1/4 price, sure! I usually won't buy above 1/2 of currently
manufactured price. Elswise, I'm happy to buy new, with a warrantee and
I'm also not buying someone elses problems. My main point in this whole
discussion is that there are a lot of sellers that seem to hate buyers.
The Carny vs Rube thing.

- Mike KB3EIA -



My point was that he STILL tried to bargain me down even though we both knew
it was already lower than it should have been.

That's when you tell him that for any better prices, your "good deal
manager" is a lady named Helen Waite. If he wants a better price, he has
to go to ........... 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

"me" wrote in message news:BVZHc.63953$XM6.30522@attbi_s53...
and just who do you think you are that everyone should give their name and
call on here??? I certainly don't have to answer to you!!

Ciao,

Me

Welp, there's where you're wrong. Steve is judge, jury, executioner,
undertaker and worm around here. Get used to it. You play by his
rules or you will be stalked into submission.

I didn't say anyone did, you did my boy.

ME

"JJ" wrote in message
...
me wrote:

Since when does the US care about so called ``treaties."

Since when does anyone here care about you?