In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

By whom?

What "whom?"

Living in the past again, I see....

No. For tomorrow. Been in the past.


Then he shouldn't be making the rules for it...right?

RIGHT! :-)


What did you do back then, Len?

Already told you.

And why are you still living in the past?
1994 was TEN YEARS AGO ;-) ;-)

How perceptive! 2004 - 1994 = 10! Marvelous.

You didn't have to take off your shoes to prove it! :-)


How is it wrong?

Anything said against your opinions is automatically WRONG.

Ho hum.

MOS 281.6 - Microwave Radio Relay Operations and Service
Supervisor plus brevet MOSs of Fixed Station Transmitter
Operations and Service, Carrier Systems Operations and
Service. [the "point-6" in that old MOS numbering is the
indicator of supervisory duties which I had as an E-5 S/Sgt]
1953 to 1956. "Three up and one down" after just 2 1/2
years. Earned.

So? That was your *job*, wasn't it, Len?

Assignment. [get with military nomenclature...]

What's interesting is that you don;t mention that there were more than 700
*other* people at ADA when you were there...

Yes, at Transmitters (Camp Tomlinson), Receivers (Camp Owada),
Control, Tape Relay at Chuo Kogyo (later inside North Camp Drake).

Eugene Rosenbaum was one of the Transmitters assignees. I've
mentioned him before, also SFC Don Ross (Maintenance NCO,
had all commercial and top ham licenses of that time), Capt William
P. Boss, OIC (Officer In Charge) of Transmitters (ham license).
Gene has a ham license, lives in Long Island, NY, he and wife just
got back from a European tour. I don't mention the photographic
detachment either (for about two decades later the photo people
were also categorized as part of Signal Corps). Photo wasn't
involved in radio communications.


So...did you work at all those places or just talk about them?

Yes, I worked IN and AT all those things. Are you the new
security chief of the personnel department? Feel free to write all
those companies and check up. Here's a bird...I flip it to you...

Were you in sole charge, or part of a much larger team?

I never worked in a shoe company, "in charge of soles."

Pbthbthbth...

What company does Rev. Jim work for? Choo-choo factory?

With over 700 people, when you were there. Yet you don't mention the team,
just yourself. Interesting, very interesting.

About 700 in the Batalion at four different sites and with three different
billets. I've RE-mentioned the people I mentioned before; see above.
I've also mentioned Jim Brendage, a civilian engineer (DAC) whom I've
been in contact with much later (retired, lives in CA) plus some USAF
people. USAF took over responsibility of the ADA facilities in 1963 as
part of Army downsizing in Central Honshu. I could mention lots of
others but they don't have the beloved ham license yet continued to
operate and maintain facilities without it or any need for morsemanship.

I find it supremely interesting that you don't know a damn thing about
HF communications other than ham radio and what you are spoon-
fed by QST and the league.

And they manage quite well without you, Len.

That's the way the system is organized. It works.

So?

So sue if ya don't like it. :-)

How is that relevant to amateur radio?

Nothing amateurish about it.

You're not the FCC, Len.

You are not the FCC either. So?

Actually, there are a few hams at FCC, making the rules and recommendations
about those rules.

Not required in their Statement of Work. Didn't you read yours?

More importantly, those folks are professional regulatory people. You're not.

You sure as hell aren't a "professional regulator!" You're just a
wanna-be regulator.

Riiiiiight...keep the beepers in charge of hum raddio...those mighty
macho morsemen keeping the airwaves pristine with the musick of
morse as they did in the old, old days. Archaic Radio Service, the
ARS of yeasteryear! [all rise...]

Sounds like you are jealous, Len.

Sounds like you've got NO sense of humor when you be tweaked.

Poor baby. A wanna-be regulator and can't control your steam.

Just a spectator.

No. One of a team, several teams. Doing work. Making things
happen. Making a bit of money, too.

Just another groundpounder. Heck, even I can use the lingo. But you keep
reliving the past, leaving out the important details.

"Groundpounder?" That's a military term. You never served.

Try not to be a wanna-be sojer too. Not nice.

Let's see...a fella who doesn't know squat about military comms
comes in here all filthy-languaged with sexual inuendo and tells
all "I never did what I said I did." I then describe (again) what I did
and where, both in military work and civilian work and he still calls
it wrong. Now you come in here thinking "you speak the lingo" and
say it was all no good, "living in the past." You don't know squat
about aerospace, Spaceman Spiff. [your cartoon quit a decade
ago]

It is. But you're just a spectator there, too.

Yes. So?

You seem to have lost touch with the issue in here...the creation
reason issue being the retention or elimination of the code test for
an amateur radio license.

You keep trying to misdirect these non-discussions into some
weird "desire" for a ham ticket I'm supposed to have. Such as:

What really burns your bacon is that even with all your alleged professional
experience, the FCC won't act on your recommendations and those of us who
actually *are* radio amateurs won't bow down to you.

INCORRECT. WRONG.

I know the process of legislation and rule-making and accept that.
Everyone gets a chance to comment at the FCC and the FCC has
the near-final regulatory say on U.S. civil radio (courts can rule on
that later but that does not happen often). All must live with the
decisions on civil radio matters, even if they are not individually
acceptible.

That's how it is in a democratic-principle government.

Your allegation of some kind of weird "personal vendetta" is just
that, a weird thing. You can't abide the thought of losing the
morse code test so, therefore, you think that all those trying to
eliminate it are abnormal in some regard. Not so.

What IS abnormal is the stridency of the PCTA in the maintenance
of a code test for a ham license without any regard to the changing
times or the fact that morse code manual telegraphy is going down
the tubes in all of radio communications except amateurism.

You cannot justify modern-day rules based on antiquated reasons
which no longer apply. But, you met those antiquated rules and now
insist that all newcomers meet those rules. Why? I don't know why
you are still so adamant about it, can only speculate.

And despite all your
verbiage, you can't get some of us to respond in kind to your name calling
and other word games.

TS. Someone wants to play nasty with me, I play nastier. No problem.

Been there, done that, lots of times.

How, Len?

How yourself, Kimosabe. Ugh.

By requiring a simple one-time 5 wpm code test?

By requiring ANY rate code test.

You can NO longer justify its existance by "treaty."

You can NO longer justify its usefulness by anything but tired,
trite, old phrases that ceased being applicable decades ago.

All you or your PCTA ilk can "justify" is all the denigration and
name-calling and general negative inuendo you put on those that
want to eliminate the code test. Not nice. But, you "justify" it
by all kinds of tricks and message subject misdirections, by
calling yourself "superior" to others because you met old
standards.

No sweat to me. If the code test stays, then I hang in there
trying to get rid of it. If the code test is eliminated, then I be
satisfied.







Methinks you dost protest too much.

Don't you mean "doth" mistah spear-shaker? :-)

Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 7/18/2004 10:42 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:

What has nursie done in that other "SOME" of radio? Answrer:
Nottadamnthing. :-)

Then he shouldn't be making the rules for it...right?

I don't!

And I see Lennie is making typos! Must be ANGRY ANGRY ANGRY ! ! ! =)

Also
zero-point-zero experience in "emergency communications".

WRONG. Use Rev. Jim's Time Mashine and go back to 1994.
Some earth-shaking news awaits you, nursie.

What did you do back then, Len? And why are you still living in the past?
1994
was TEN YEARS AGO ;-) ;-)

And even MORE typos. He's REALLY mad!

His "traffic
handling" experience was as a radio clerk in the Army in the FIFTIES, and
his
experience in practical avionics goes back to his days as a STUDENT (never
licensed) pilot back when Lear organ-grinder radios were the "state of the
art".

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

How is it wrong?

It's not. At least according to his very own words.

Maybe he finally joined that REACT group...?!?!

MOS 281.6 - Microwave Radio Relay Operations and Service
Supervisor plus brevet MOSs of Fixed Station Transmitter
Operations and Service, Carrier Systems Operations and
Service. [the "point-6" in that old MOS numbering is the
indicator of supervisory duties which I had as an E-5 S/Sgt]
1953 to 1956. "Three up and one down" after just 2 1/2
years. Earned.

So? That was your *job*, wasn't it, Len?

NOW he was a STAFF SERGEANT!

For the last eight years he's been insisting he was "only" a Sergeant.

Guess he figured after the battlefield sacrifices he made and all the
fights he's fought in this forum he deserved a promotion.

Congratulations, Lennie!

What's interesting is that you don;t mention that there were more than 700
*other* people at ADA when you were there...

Of course not!

HE handles ALL one-point-two million of those messages! Him! Alone!

"Practical avionics" includes airborne radar (both military and
civilian), airborne radionavigation equipment (TACAN, DME,
VOR, Localizer, Glideslope, and Marker Beacon) plus several
missle systems which few will know about, such as the old
Hughes Aircraft "Falcon" series or "Maverick." That at, in
chronological order, Ramo-Wooldridge (the "R" and "W" of
TRW now), Micro-Radionics Inc., Van Nuys, CA, EOS
[Electro-Optical Systems] a division of Xerox, Pasadena, CA
(mostly spacecraft stuff), RCA Corporation EASD (Electro-
magnetic and Aviation Systems Division), Van Nuys, CA,
Hughes Aircraft Missle Division (Hughes for the 2nd time,
this at the same buildings once leased by R-W), Canoga
Park, CA, and Teledyne Electronics, Newbury Park, CA
[designers and manufacturers of military transponders, what
civilians call "IFF"]. Wanna talk how that marvelous VOR
works? No problem...old NARCO box or an RCA 3 1/2"
instrument package that has it all...Nav and Com, with
MB and LOC and GS all packed in behind the OBS.
Wanna talk ground station VOR or TACAN? No problem
there, either. Wanna talk on-the-air while airborne? No
problem, done that too and not just with some UNICOM at
a grass field. More like the Western Airlines maintenance
facility at LAX.

So...did you work at all those places or just talk about them? Were you in
sole
charge, or part of a much larger team?

Hey...just how many fl;oors can a janitor clean at once anyway, Jim...?!?!
He HAD to have had help!

As for experience in aeronautical navigation he's pretty well shown us what
he "knows" in here.

BTW, oh great and ignorant bird of the radio universe, the
Army didn't have a "message center" at ADA. Other Army
message centers fed it and were fed in turn...ADA kept the
radio circuits working.

With over 700 people, when you were there. Yet you don't mention the team,
just
yourself. Interesting, very interesting.

Not "interesting", Jim...just status quo....

They still do that as they did at Fort
Irwin in 1989 for regimental level field radio (quite a bit different
than 35 years prior).

And they manage quite well without you, Len.

No manual telegraphy in the 50s, not in
the 80s, the 90s, or this new millennium.

So?

Sunnuvagun! Who would a thought it? No CW! :-)

How is that relevant to amateur radio?

It's not.

But it's all the Putz has to hold on to, so he'll keep reciting it over
and over and over and.....

Would you want HIM making binding decisions for you in regards to
Amateur Radio policy?

Yes, why trust the FCC to regulate amateur radio?

You're not the FCC, Len.

Uh oh! Don't tell HIM that!

None at the
FCC need have ham licenses to do that.

Actually, there are a few hams at FCC, making the rules and recommendations
about those rules.

More importantly, those folks are professional regulatory people. You're not.


Riiiiiight...keep the beepers in charge of hum raddio...those mighty
macho morsemen keeping the airwaves pristine with the musick of
morse as they did in the old, old days. Archaic Radio Service, the
ARS of yeasteryear! [all rise...]

Sounds like you are jealous, Len.

More foolish than jealous.

Want radio OPERATING? Sure. No problem. Done it from
land, from water, from a cockpit while aloft. Want space comms?
Sorry, you can't do that yet, NASA can't afford to send Morose
Dysfunctionals off on expensive spaceships. I'll just stand in the
JPL mission control room (as I've done for a few missions) and
watch the live data come in from Mars or wherever. That be happy.
I've "worked" a station ON the moon. Stalker Stevie never did.

Just a spectator.

Naaaaaaah...I just bounced signals off the moon. Lennie hasn't done that.

Goldstone more fun place, though it be hot, hot. Clear Lake fun
for a visit but I wouldn't wanna work there ("failure no option" in
the old days, not quite so now). Wanna get up at Oh-Dark-
Thirty to prep telemetry for an avionics package on a fast mover?
Done that too. Edwards. China Lake. Kern County Airport #7
(Mojave). Phooey, like my mornings quiet and late. Who needs
all that sweat to push envelopes? :-) Given my sweat, pushed an
envelope a couple times, sweated in the labs producing goodness
and newness, seen it work.

Just another groundpounder. Heck, even I can use the lingo. But you keep
reliving the past, leaving out the important details.

I am sure that Lennie pushed a LOT of envelopes...That broom was able to
collect a lot of debris.

Ham radio would be fun.

It is. But you're just a spectator there, too.

It IS fun!

What really burns your bacon is that even with all your alleged professional
experience, the FCC won't act on your recommendations and those of us who
actually *are* radio amateurs won't bow down to you. And despite all your
verbiage, you can't get some of us to respond in kind to your name calling
and
other word games.

Bingo!

But, all the "intelligent people" wanna
recreate the hoary halcion days of the 1920s and 1930s.

How, Len?

By requiring a simple one-time 5 wpm code test?

Methinks you dost protest too much.

Methinks he is still marking time in 1953, defending the ramparts of ADA
against any idea of anyone other than him knowing how a radio works.

Sucks to be Lennie!

73

Steve, K4YZ

Mike Coslo wrote in message ...

Well, there wasn't much point in going through the motions unless I was
actually going to learn something. Just the way I'm put together.


Mike, some feel that way about the code. They learned it so they
could get on phone and look upon it as a monumental waste of their
time.

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Sucks to be you, Putz.

Tsk. The Stalker put away is Amateur Corps Class A uniform and the
recruiting posters for the United States Amateur Corps ("A few good
men...")
and lapsed into his hate-filled snarliness mode.

I see a glimpse of humanity from Steve every few weeks. I like him
much better that way. I'll pray for him tonight.

I used to pray for him. Some time ago. Reason was I got this
faraway guffaw smothered by a divine hand, I think. It went something
like this: Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Phew! Thought I was going nuts. I've heard that smothered guffaw -
the last time I prayed for Steve.

Well, Stalker IS a representative of top-of-the-line amateur radio
licensee.

Let's back away from that idea for a while. What? We've got maybe
four or five Extras on here who are congenital liars, spinmasters, or
just cranky old farts VS how many did Jim just post are in the ARS?

Whatever Rev. Jim's source, it is the only one "correct."

If you don't believe it, just ask him. ;^)

I prefer Hamdata.com tabulations, not the "interpreted kind." All
those sources have fast broadband access to the SAME data
files (enorrmous ones, BTW).

I see your point. I also see all the PCTAs who are arrogantly
adamant about Being So Right about their viewpoints.

Most of the hams I kinow are decent people. But everyone once in a
while I run into a problem ham, and invariably, he's an Extra.

All us newsgrope readers see the same text. Those mighty words
of the PCTA (and their ilk) appear on everyone's screen. They have
their Say and So Be It. They are the Great Gurus. De facto, not
de jure. What is anyone to believe about U.S. amateur radio if
their only source of information is from those same OFs?

It would be sad if that were true. Fortunately, there are other
sources of information on the ARS.

I don't think Steve and the others on here are representative of
top-of-the-line amateurs at all.

No? :-)

Gawd NO!

I agree with you...knowing more radio amateurs off-line than on-
line. KD6JG is what I consider a good friend and I'm hoping to
say hello to him in mid-California a bit later. W6MJN was Best
Man at my wedding. That's just two out of many. shrug

Many.

As a matter of fact, I feel kind of sorry for Jim. I think he's hung in
here about a year too long. He should have bailed before his lost
his last remnant of dignity.

Jim was on the AOL ham pub before I saw him on r.r.a.p. Was
like a Newington-south recruitment drive on AOL to me. Came
off like an 80-year-old OF. QED. Couldn't take much
controversy then, can't now.

Sorry to hear that. So long banging the same drum. Time for him to
get a new skin (a thicker one).

His
post about "Morse Code Exams are a disincentive to CW use" really told
the tale. Since then he's gone over to the dark side and can't find
his way back. He's truly committed.

All that "committment" gets to all. Amateur radio is NOT a
marriage and life ever after. The PCTA cannot change their minds
nor let anyone else change their minds. Not ever! :-)

Closed Mind.

"MARS IS amateur radio" is from an extreme case. :-)

As Buzz Light Year says, "To Insanity and Beyond!"

All the PCTA love him. He be Tuff and Loud. Yell-Yell alla time.

I think they only support him because they think they'll all hang
separately if they don't hang together. I can't imagine them actually
coming forward to say they love him. Just another case of group-think.

Well, united they hang or they hang separately. Either way, the
hanging happens.

They'll have to face Hiram at the Pearly Gates. They got a lot of
splainin to do.

But, here's the thing with Yell-Yell: Everyone against him is
"really me under a pseudonym!" So, what you just wrote is what
I just wrote, since "we are the same person!" Hi hi hi hi.
Bang the conundrum slowly... :-)

I am the Eggman, I am the Walrus, Koo koo ka choob. And I'm Cutie
Boy, Morgan, Avery Fineman, Mad Dog Deignan, etc, etc, etc. Hi, hi.

What an imagination Yell Yell have. Hallmark of loose screw.

So suprised when Jim first said Bruce might be brilliant (hi, hi),
then said he wasn't proper amateur material.

Broose is just a character...with or without a license. :-)

A vey short character like "e." He's largely gone over to the CB
groups (any wonder?). And Mama Dee is handing out antenna advice on
another group. Hi, hi!

(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in
large
part
because it's easy to enforce.

Nonsense for the new millennium.

That's what you're giving us, Len!

Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the
Antenna Mount again!

You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement
ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk.

Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice
signals. Try a few details of how that is done.

That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical.

Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the
temperature in hell is falling rapidly.

Don't expect miracles. Not in the answer or the environment of hell.

LHA / WMD

I have more faith in the environment of hell than I do in the
truthfulness of the lobotomized, lock-steppedness of the PCTA.

I think I've figured out why the PCTA absolutely HATED any
thought whatsoever of a small suggestion I made long ago to the
FCC - that of having a certain minimum age for a license.

Memories like Hephalants.

The PCTA are all acting so childish about that morse test
requirement that they can't stand not being able to continue to
be childish. "Wah wah wha...we gots to have a morse test!!!"
"All the 'big' people in radio know morse and we are 'big' people!"
All of which was fine for the 1930s...but hardly so 70 years later.

I can follow that.

All the PCTA seemed to have innoculated themselves with
mighty macho morsemanship at an early age and are still
addicted to it and the Importance (!) of the mode to "all radio."

More important than everything else combined.

They are all - seemingly - a bunch of middle-age sitter-downers
(in front of their radios) wishing fervently to recapture their
youth lost so many years back. They want their youth back and
with that, their youthful ideals which were so Very Important back
then.

Sit-ins. Throwing other peoples medals at the White House. Goldie
Hawn...

They don't really give a damn about anyone else. They want to
force the morse test on everyone because They were forced to
learn it by Their seniors. They want to get even. Such wishing is
typically of the childish. QED. Ergo, game, set, and match.

Where is Aaron? He could add this to the Morse Myths list. Too bad
he got worn out with that list - it was sooooo long.

Mama Dee and Rev. Jim say that "the experienced"
(all those who love honor cherish and obey morse code) MUST
be "in charge" of determining the whichness of the what.

They can lead amateur radio on a death march. Anyone speak Tagalog?

Regression is the better part of their valor. Or stasis.

Valor? Without integrity or honor? Best they can do is Status Quo.
Forget about leadership.

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

I see your point. I also see all the PCTAs who are arrogantly
adamant about Being So Right about their viewpoints.

S'funny. I see you as arrogantly adamant about bEING sO rIGHT about
your viewpoints.

All us newsgrope readers see the same text. Those mighty words
of the PCTA (and their ilk) appear on everyone's screen. They have
their Say and So Be It. They are the Great Gurus. De facto, not
de jure. What is anyone to believe about U.S. amateur radio if
their only source of information is from those same OFs?

You're an OF, Len. In Fact, you're currently the O'est F known to be
posting here. You're a one-man ilk. You'll never be a Great Guru in
amateur radio as you are in no way involved in amateur radio. I don't
think anyone would seek you out as a single source of info on amateur
radio.

Dave K8MN

Len Over 21 wrote:

I don't know exactly why he does that, just that it is common
practice among so many amateur radio hobbyists to build up
their avocation into some noble cause.

Maybe you can provide insight as to why you seem compelled to attack
radio amateurs who don't agree with your views and why you take constant
swipes at the ARRL. After all, you haven't been a radio amateur in the
past. You aren't a radio amateur in the present and there is no
indication that you'll be a radio amateur in the future. What gives
with you?

Dave K8MN

You're an OF, Len. In Fact, you're currently the O'est F known to be
posting here. You're a one-man ilk. You'll never be a Great Guru in
amateur radio as you are in no way involved in amateur radio. I don't
think anyone would seek you out as a single source of info on amateur
radio.

Dave K8MN

Len, just get the damm license. It ain't that hard. Hell even 5wpm.
I did it and I'm no good at sort of "motor skill" kind of thing.
Then get on the air some. Then you can speak with some creditability
here and other forums on ham radio.

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

In article ,
PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in
large
part
because it's easy to enforce.

Nonsense for the new millennium.

That's what you're giving us, Len!

Now, now Rev. Jim. You're off on an evangelical Sermon on the
Antenna Mount again!

You just didn't answer the question I posed about "enforcement
ease." Tsk. tsk. tsk.

Tell us how morse signals are "easier to enforce" than voice
signals. Try a few details of how that is done.

That's going to be a problem for Jimmy Who. His claim is illogical.

Anyway, I'll be standing by waiting for his answer. BTW, I heard the
temperature in hell is falling rapidly.

Don't expect miracles. Not in the answer or the environment of hell.

LHA / WMD

I have more faith in the environment of hell than I do in the
truthfulness of the lobotomized, lock-steppedness of the PCTA.

I think I've figured out why the PCTA absolutely HATED any
thought whatsoever of a small suggestion I made long ago to the
FCC - that of having a certain minimum age for a license.

Memories like Hephalants.

Memories more like an effluent. :-)


The PCTA are all acting so childish about that morse test
requirement that they can't stand not being able to continue to
be childish. "Wah wah wha...we gots to have a morse test!!!"
"All the 'big' people in radio know morse and we are 'big' people!"
All of which was fine for the 1930s...but hardly so 70 years later.

I can follow that.

They are all legends in their own minds... :-)


All the PCTA seemed to have innoculated themselves with
mighty macho morsemanship at an early age and are still
addicted to it and the Importance (!) of the mode to "all radio."

More important than everything else combined.

It probably IS the greatest accomplishment in some lives! :-)


They are all - seemingly - a bunch of middle-age sitter-downers
(in front of their radios) wishing fervently to recapture their
youth lost so many years back. They want their youth back and
with that, their youthful ideals which were so Very Important back
then.

Sit-ins. Throwing other peoples medals at the White House. Goldie
Hawn...

Grandma Goldie? :-)

They can't recapture their physical youth. They can improve their
mental youth. Some don't. Some, like Rev. Jim, are very into the
"stern headmaster" role playing, making like he #1 Great Guru on
the history knowledge of a century ago.

History of the earliest accomplishments doesn't tune a final or
align a receiver front end nor measure any antenna. They could
concentrate on those basics first, but it is much easier for them
to just toss their cookies in here, pretending the "know" things.


They don't really give a damn about anyone else. They want to
force the morse test on everyone because They were forced to
learn it by Their seniors. They want to get even. Such wishing is
typically of the childish. QED. Ergo, game, set, and match.

Where is Aaron? He could add this to the Morse Myths list. Too bad
he got worn out with that list - it was sooooo long.

Most folks have bailed out of here. Can't blame them. :-)


Mama Dee and Rev. Jim say that "the experienced"
(all those who love honor cherish and obey morse code) MUST
be "in charge" of determining the whichness of the what.

They can lead amateur radio on a death march. Anyone speak Tagalog?

Dinna wurra, laddie. The beepers will still be re-enacting their
own radio civil wars long into the future. I suppose they imagine
that if they bring it up enough times some more might believe in
it as fervently as they do.

Yup. They "bring it up" in projectile form.


Regression is the better part of their valor. Or stasis.

Valor? Without integrity or honor? Best they can do is Status Quo.
Forget about leadership.

We will be lead by the beepers, not led.

Plumbium that is, one part of solder. But with cold solder joints in
their thinking.

LHA / WMD

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(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
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(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Sucks to be you, Putz.

Tsk. The Stalker put away is Amateur Corps Class A uniform and the
recruiting posters for the United States Amateur Corps ("A few good
men...")
and lapsed into his hate-filled snarliness mode.

I see a glimpse of humanity from Steve every few weeks. I like him
much better that way. I'll pray for him tonight.

I used to pray for him. Some time ago. Reason was I got this
faraway guffaw smothered by a divine hand, I think. It went something
like this: Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Phew! Thought I was going nuts. I've heard that smothered guffaw -
the last time I prayed for Steve.

Don't do it too much. I've been getting the "don't bother me on trivia"
admonishments on Sundays. :-)

Well, Stalker IS a representative of top-of-the-line amateur radio
licensee.

Let's back away from that idea for a while. What? We've got maybe
four or five Extras on here who are congenital liars, spinmasters, or
just cranky old farts VS how many did Jim just post are in the ARS?

Whatever Rev. Jim's source, it is the only one "correct."

If you don't believe it, just ask him. ;^)

No one has to "ask." He is the Hall Monitor always at the ready
to "correct" the heathen.

I prefer Hamdata.com tabulations, not the "interpreted kind." All
those sources have fast broadband access to the SAME data
files (enorrmous ones, BTW).

I see your point. I also see all the PCTAs who are arrogantly
adamant about Being So Right about their viewpoints.

Most of the hams I kinow are decent people. But everyone once in a
while I run into a problem ham, and invariably, he's an Extra.

And, invariably, they gravitate HERE. :-)

All us newsgrope readers see the same text. Those mighty words
of the PCTA (and their ilk) appear on everyone's screen. They have
their Say and So Be It. They are the Great Gurus. De facto, not
de jure. What is anyone to believe about U.S. amateur radio if
their only source of information is from those same OFs?

It would be sad if that were true. Fortunately, there are other
sources of information on the ARS.

I don't think so. I keep getting told that "No one can possibly
know anything without that license!"

It is the epiphany of knowledge. [so they say...]

I don't think Steve and the others on here are representative of
top-of-the-line amateurs at all.

No? :-)

Gawd NO!

Don't tell Them that! WW3 will break out!

I agree with you...knowing more radio amateurs off-line than on-
line. KD6JG is what I consider a good friend and I'm hoping to
say hello to him in mid-California a bit later. W6MJN was Best
Man at my wedding. That's just two out of many. shrug

Many.

As a matter of fact, I feel kind of sorry for Jim. I think he's hung in
here about a year too long. He should have bailed before his lost
his last remnant of dignity.

Jim was on the AOL ham pub before I saw him on r.r.a.p. Was
like a Newington-south recruitment drive on AOL to me. Came
off like an 80-year-old OF. QED. Couldn't take much
controversy then, can't now.

Sorry to hear that. So long banging the same drum. Time for him to
get a new skin (a thicker one).

...or quit the CD of that holiday favorite, "Little Drummer Boy." :-)

His
post about "Morse Code Exams are a disincentive to CW use" really told
the tale. Since then he's gone over to the dark side and can't find
his way back. He's truly committed.

All that "committment" gets to all. Amateur radio is NOT a
marriage and life ever after. The PCTA cannot change their minds
nor let anyone else change their minds. Not ever! :-)

Closed Mind.

Lifestylers try for that. Believers LIVE it.


"MARS IS amateur radio" is from an extreme case. :-)

As Buzz Light Year says, "To Insanity and Beyond!"

Buzz has more animation...

All the PCTA love him. He be Tuff and Loud. Yell-Yell alla time.

I think they only support him because they think they'll all hang
separately if they don't hang together. I can't imagine them actually
coming forward to say they love him. Just another case of group-think.

Well, united they hang or they hang separately. Either way, the
hanging happens.

They'll have to face Hiram at the Pearly Gates. They got a lot of
splainin to do.

They might be expecting all those virgins. Whoops, wrong
religion. That's a sect of Islam, not morseodism.

But, here's the thing with Yell-Yell: Everyone against him is
"really me under a pseudonym!" So, what you just wrote is what
I just wrote, since "we are the same person!" Hi hi hi hi.
Bang the conundrum slowly... :-)

I am the Eggman, I am the Walrus, Koo koo ka choob. And I'm Cutie
Boy, Morgan, Avery Fineman, Mad Dog Deignan, etc, etc, etc. Hi, hi.

What an imagination Yell Yell have. Hallmark of loose screw.

"Hallmark?" "...when you want to send the very worst..."

So suprised when Jim first said Bruce might be brilliant (hi, hi),
then said he wasn't proper amateur material.

Broose is just a character...with or without a license. :-)

A vey short character like "e." He's largely gone over to the CB
groups (any wonder?). And Mama Dee is handing out antenna advice on
another group. Hi, hi!

"Antenna advice?" Oh, good grief...

I'd better message Jack Stone over on Antennex. "Yellow Alert" for
that fine group of experimenters.

I wonder if Dee will have admonishments on guy wires? :-)

LHA / WMD