Avery Hightower wrote:
Quote from FCC web, http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/t2.html

"Telegraphy Examinations Elements

Element 1 - 16 code groups per minute.

Element 2 - 20 code groups per minute.


Why was it 13 for hams, and 16 for the above? And
do they even give these tests anymore?

4 more months, not 4 more years!

Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did
ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved
them resources.

We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice
published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna
happen.



ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from
applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to
operate on 14.167 vs 14.344?

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did
ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved
them resources.

We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice
published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna
happen.

ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from
applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to
operate on 14.167 vs 14.344?

More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part
because it's easy to enforce.

73 de Jim, N2EY

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Element 1 - 16 code groups per minute.

Element 2 - 20 code groups per minute.


Why was it 13 for hams, and 16 for the above?

Professional requirements were higher than amateur requirements. Code groups
are harder to copy than plain language, too.

And do they even give these tests anymore?

In theory they do. In practice you'd have to search high and low and set
something up.

4 more months, not 4 more years!

Hopefully.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Avery Hightower" wrote in message link.net...
Quote from FCC web, http://wireless.fcc.gov/commoperators/t2.html

"Telegraphy Examinations Elements

Element 1 - 16 code groups per minute.

Element 2 - 20 code groups per minute.
Telegraphy exams consist of both transmitting and receiving tests. Examinees
must copy by ear and send by hand plain text and code groups in the
international Morse code using all the letters of the alphabet, numerals
0-9, period, comma, question mark, slant mark, and prosigns AR, BT, and SK.
Examinees must copy and send at the required speeds for one continuous
minute without making any errors. Each test lasts approximately five
minutes. The failing of any code test automatically terminates the
examination.

Code speeds are computed using five letters per word or code group.
Punctuation symbols and numbers count as two letters each.

Examinees may use their own typewriter to copy the 25 words-per-minute
receiving test, but must copy tests at lower speeds by hand. Likewise,
examinees may use their own semi-automatic key to send the 25
word-per-minute sending test, but must send tests at lower speeds using a
hand key.

The Commission will grant credit for Telegraphy Elements 1 and 2 to
applicants who hold an unexpired (or within the grace period) FCC-issued
Amateur Extra Class operator license."


For those who just have to be tested.

"N2EY" wrote


Code groups are harder to copy than plain language, too.


On the contrary, when copying for a speed test (verbatim hard copy) 5
letter coded groups are FAR easier to copy than plain text. Most Navy
operators could copy coded groups at a about speed 20% higher than plain
text press.

73, de Hans, K0HB

Subject: FCC Morse testing at 16 and 20 WPM
From: "Tony Viglio"
Date: 7/14/2004 10:11 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...

On the contrary, when copying for a speed test (verbatim hard copy) 5
letter coded groups are FAR easier to copy than plain text. Most Navy
operators could copy coded groups at a about speed 20% higher than plain
text press.

73, de Hans, K0HB

BULL####!

Well...there we have it...Another unqualified opinon from someone who
hasn't got the gonads of a two year old and can't express an opinon without
profanity.

Read that: CBer.

Steve, K4YZ

"N2EY" wrote in message
...
In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did
ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved
them resources.

We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice
published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna
happen.

ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from
applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to
operate on 14.167 vs 14.344?

More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large
part
because it's easy to enforce.

73 de Jim, N2EY



Not only was it easy to enforce but it was selected because it was a
desireable enough reward that people would put in the training to get it.

Most rewards in the real world have little relationship to the work
requested. You see it in the home too. Kid asks, "Dad can I borrow the
car?" Parent replies, "After you mow the front & back lawn and run the
edger." There is absolutely no relationship between the two activities.
The kid gets a highly desired reward for work that he/she probably doesn't
care to do but does it anyway to get the reward.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

N2EY wrote:
In article , Robert Casey
writes:


Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did
ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved
them resources.

We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice
published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna
happen.


ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from
applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to
operate on 14.167 vs 14.344?


More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large part
because it's easy to enforce.


Another thought is that at HF frequencies, a inexperienced or poor
operator can propagate their signal over the whole world. If I were to
be making a training ground for amateurs, it would be using line of
sight type signals

Dee D. Flint wrote:
"N2EY" wrote in message
...

In article , Robert Casey
writes:


Hams - old and new - didn't change the exam procedures. Neither did
ARRL, NCI, NCVEC or any other ham group. FCC did, because it saved
them resources.

We aren't going to a system other than multiple-choice
published-Q&A-pool exams in the foreseeable future. Just not gonna
happen.

ANd then there's the question of what knowledge should be expected from
applicants anyway. Does it really require more knowledge and skill to
operate on 14.167 vs 14.344?

More spectrum is simply the reward system in use. It was chosen in large

part

because it's easy to enforce.

73 de Jim, N2EY




Not only was it easy to enforce but it was selected because it was a
desireable enough reward that people would put in the training to get it.

Most rewards in the real world have little relationship to the work
requested. You see it in the home too. Kid asks, "Dad can I borrow the
car?" Parent replies, "After you mow the front & back lawn and run the
edger." There is absolutely no relationship between the two activities.
The kid gets a highly desired reward for work that he/she probably doesn't
care to do but does it anyway to get the reward.

Actually Dee, with some redneck families, mowing the lawn is how they
*find* the car!

Duckin' and a runnin' now! ;^)

- Mike KB3EIA -