Subject: License Fees --- a poll
From: "KØHB"
Date: 8/12/2004 3:40 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net


"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote

Hans' "poll" was so skewed that one would be hard to
NOT answer it the way HE wanted it answered.

Awwww gee, Captain Obvious, ya figured it out!

Then why don't you just ask people if they agree with you, rather than
suggest it's a "poll"?

Kinda like your leading
question as to whether we should "trivalize the Amateur Radio service
so we can accomodate the FEW who prefer to toss the monies away on beer,
broads and booze?"

Quoted out of context...Again, I'd expect nothing less, Hans.

Jim Miccolis made a SPECIFIC reference to a person he supposedly knew who
was addicted to tobacco, and suggested in his post that his friend would rather
spend money on his addiction than divert the money to Amateur Radio.

I ask, would YOU trivialize Amateur Radio just to accomodate a few who
would have to choose between Amateur Radio or purient addictions?

Sunuvagun!

Sunuvagun yourself. What "point", other than proving you can quote out of
context, do you think you have made? If it was to try and appear antagonistic
rather than objective, you did it in spades.

72.5

Again, once more with not quite enough...Why am I not surprised?

Steve, K4YZ

"Steve Robeson K4CAP" wrote


I ask, would YOU trivialize Amateur Radio just to accomodate a few
who
would have to choose between Amateur Radio or purient addictions?


Tobacco is a p(r)urient addiction?

Sunuvagun! If I'd known that, I'd never have retired my meerschaums.

71, de Hans, K0HB

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Kinda like your leading
question as to whether we should "trivalize the Amateur Radio service
so we can accomodate the FEW who prefer to toss the monies away on beer,
broads and booze?"

Quoted out of context...Again, I'd expect nothing less, Hans.

Jim Miccolis made a SPECIFIC reference to a person he supposedly knew
who
was addicted to tobacco, and suggested in his post that his friend would
rather spend money on his addiction than divert the money to Amateur Radio.

I think *I'm* being quoted out of context there...

My point about my smoking friend was that, in *his* value system, smoking a lot
took higher priority than saving up for a ham station. Part of this was no
doubt addiction-fueled, but another part was that he even though he bought 'em
by the carton, his cigarette expenditures were relatively small, relatively
frequent purchases. If he had to buy a year's worth of smokes all at once, he
might have quit.

I ask, would YOU trivialize Amateur Radio just to accomodate a few who
would have to choose between Amateur Radio or purient addictions?

How is Hans' or my opposition to license fees trivializing amateur radio?

73 de Jim, N2EY

"KØHB" wrote in message
news
K4CAP/K4YZ wrote: (about license fees)

I think fees in the $25/year range would not be inappropriate.

So let's take a poll:

Q1: If it cost $250 (plus testing fees) for a 10-year license would you
have become a new amateur radio operator?

--- or ---

Q2: If it had cost $250 to renew your license each time over your ham
radio career, would your license have lapsed by now?



Here are my responses:

Q1: Not a chance.

Q2: When raising a family, spending $250 on a discretionary avocational
item would have been out of the question.

73, de Hans, K0HB


Q1: If it had cost $250 for the 10 year license when I first entered ham
radio, I probably would not have done so for I had no basis to determine
whether the activity would appeal to me. Initially, it was just something
that I did to participate in my husband's interest (now ex-husband).

Q2: I would have renewed but complained loud and long about it. Having
learned that ham radio was something that I actually like, I would not give
up my license for anything.

Since entering ham radio, I've belonged to my local club in the various
areas that I've lived, became a VE, taught upgrade classes, participated in
special events, entered contests, been a club officer and many other
activities. Both I and the clubs to which I've belonged would have missed a
great deal if that first license had been $250.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article , "Kim"
writes:

Can't help but point up the "dedication" factor, here. There are those who
preach that CW is a matter of dedication and "worthwhileness" of being a
member of the amateur radio community.

Who preaches
that?

The argument could be made that
having the money--no matter what it takes--proves worthwhileness to the
amateur radio community.

We think many but not
all would reject the idea
of someone being able
to buy an amateur
radio license.

But perhaps the fact
that money alone
cannot honestly buy
an amateur license is
what really bothers
some people about the
code test. Or any
serious level of
testing.

At least one non-
amateur here has
made repeated mention
of what his house is
worth, how he could
buy a "Hummer" for
cash, etc.

Perhaps that person
is frustrated and
angered by his
inability to buy his
way into amateur
radio.

Or to buy some respect
from others.

You have made us
think about it, Kim.

Thank you.

"Ya gotta do what it takes" applies across the board...wouldn't it?

That's what mature
people who want a
particular goal say.

(Quitefine) wrote in message ...
In article , "Kim"
writes:

Can't help but point up the "dedication" factor, here. There are those who
preach that CW is a matter of dedication and "worthwhileness" of being a
member of the amateur radio community.

Who preaches
that?

The argument could be made that
having the money--no matter what it takes--proves worthwhileness to the
amateur radio community.

We think many but not
all would reject the idea
of someone being able
to buy an amateur
radio license.

But perhaps the fact
that money alone
cannot honestly buy
an amateur license is
what really bothers
some people about the
code test. Or any
serious level of
testing.

At least one non-
amateur here has
made repeated mention
of what his house is
worth, how he could
buy a "Hummer" for
cash, etc.

Perhaps that person
is frustrated and
angered by his
inability to buy his
way into amateur
radio.

Or to buy some respect
from others.

You have made us
think about it, Kim.

Thank you.

"Ya gotta do what it takes" applies across the board...wouldn't it?

That's what mature
people who want a
particular goal say.

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

In article ,
(William) writes:

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

On what basis
do you make
that guess?

We have seen
no evidence of
such wrongdoing.

Have you?

Note that our
original claim
is still valid:
There is no way
to honestly buy
an amateur license.

(Quitefine) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

On what basis
do you make
that guess?

FCC
enforcement
actions
..

We have seen
no evidence of
such wrongdoing.

Then
why
would
the
FCC
investigate
testing
irregularities
?

Have you?

I
am
not
the
FCC
..

I
only
read
some
of
their
reports
..

Note that our
original claim
is still valid:
There is no way
to honestly buy
an amateur license.

Honestly
..

"William" wrote in message
om...
(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

On what basis
do you make
that guess?

FCC
enforcement
actions
.


Based on the enforcement actions and the exam investigations, the FCC has
only found need to investigate a tiny fraction of the tests conducted. This
refutes your assertion that "plenty of Extras..." were able to "buy" their
licenses.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

I'd guess there are plenty of Extra's who'se 20WPM exam was passed for
a few greenstamps.

On what basis
do you make
that guess?

FCC
enforcement
actions

What FCC enforcement
actions can you name
where a 20 wpm exam
was falsified?

Be specific. Otherwise
you are not to be believed.

Accusing others of serious
wrongdoing without any
proof is serious stuff.

We have seen
no evidence of
such wrongdoing.

Then
why
would
the
FCC
investigate
testing
irregularities
?

You specifically mentioned
20 wpm code exams. Do
you have specifics? Or
just more nonsense?

Have you?

I
am
not
the
FCC
.

I
only
read
some
of
their
reports
.

Specifics?