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Old August 31st 04, 12:45 AM
Len Over 21
 
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In article , (PILOT
IN COMMAND OF CAP) writes:

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From:
PAMNO (N2EY)
Date: 8/30/2004 6:55 AM Central Standard Time
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In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually

operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these

days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.


Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.

If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.


Make up your mind, nursie. First you lie and say I was a "radio clerk."

Now you say I was "one of a large group."

A Signal Battalion has about a thousand servicemen in it. "Large" is a
subjective word. Try to focus.

Nope. IF he had done them. His MOS was as a radio tech...Not an
"operator". I doubt he ever got any closer to radiating RF than loading up
the rig into a dummy load.


How about that. Nursie, who knows some imaginary "real truth" to
the military ("Sorry, Hans, MARS IS amateur radio") now wants
to "revise" old U.S. Army Military Occupation Specialty descriptions!

MOS 281.6 - Microwave Radio Relay Operations and Maintenance
Supervisor. [the ".6" denoted the supervisory level]

That was on the record, along with brevet MOSs of Fixed Station
Communicaitons Operations and Maintenance Supervisor and
VHF-UHF Radio Relay Operator and Maintainer.

A four-hundred foot rhombic antenna is not a "dummy load" except
to a dummy who never loaded one up. With 40 KW of RF feeding it
it will radiate a bit.

Now, in truth, a 12 Watt 1.8 GHz microwave terminal transmitter
feeding 250 feet of 1 5/8" pressurized rigid coax results in a bit
less than 4 Watts at the 10 foot parabolic reflector antenna. In
that sense it might be somewhat like a "dummy load."

Army station ADA was, in the 1950s, only the third largest Army
station in the Army Command and Administrative Network (ACAN),
but the radiated RF at the transmitter site antenna field was about
350 KW total...and there 24/7.


Lennie's last foray into Amateur Radio publishing wound up contributing
to the demise of that same journal. Who would WANT to "publish" him...?!?!


Woefully WRONG. Tsk, tsk.

The amateur radio advertising monies were not there to support all the
independent publications. Publisher Skip Tenney had two monthlies
in the press at the time and the ad income was dropping. HR was
sold to CQ Communications. That was in 1990.

I had to quit HR as an Associate Editor in 1988 due to other job
requirements. I was never there physically at HR hq; most "staffers"
worked at home with everything sent by mail back and forth, plus
telephone calls. Common method in the hobby publication trade.
My work spoke for itself and that is how I was "hired." I never met
Jim Fisk (ex-W1HR, SK) nor Alf Wilson nor Rich Rosen nor Terry
Northrup in person.

Ham Radio magazine was an independent amateur radio interest
publication that survived for 22 years. It gained a solid reputation
during those 22 years and is still respected by radio amateurs who
know anything about the technology of radio. A full set of articles
from those 22 years of independent publishing is available from
CQ for $150 (for all three CDs). ARRL also resells it.


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Old August 31st 04, 12:45 AM
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In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually

operating
it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these

days.

His "big time" operations always had government or corporate backing.


Except they weren't "his" operations. Len did not design, build, or pay for
ADA, for example. Nor did he "operate" the transmitters there, in the sense
that hams "operate" their stations.


Broadcast engineers don't "operate" their stations like hams do.

Commercial communications people don't "operate" their stations
like hams do.

Former USN radio operators didn't "operate" their stations like
hams do.

Government employees, such as those with Department of State,
don't "operate" their stations like hams do.

Sunnuvagun!


If you read his exploits carefully, you begin to realize that in most
situations he was one of a large group, not an independent operator. Not that
there's anything wrong with either.


False. In here, nothing can escape the Glory and Majesty and Nobility
of Operating Like Hams Do in amateur radio!

Such as walking into an HRO with a credit card, then walking out with
everything and doing the plug-and-play at home...doing it as Hams
Do! :-)

Tsk. Right, I've never been an "independent operator," not even with
a PLMRS business radio. As a partner in a business I wasn't the
sole "owner" of that radio. How sad... :-)

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?


Tsk. Wrong handle. QUITEFINE is supposed to ask the leading
questions. Anonymouses do that.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.


Precisely.


So why get all upset? I sure don't.


Yes you do. The Quitefine pseudonym is a sure sign of that. :-)

Len's not going to show up on the ham bands.


Already been on those bands. Legal and not as an amateur. :-)

He's not going to write any new technical articles of any consequence
for amateur radio publications.


True. They sure as heck don't pay enough. :-)

He's not going to show up on 7037 kHz CW, nor
best any of us in a contest or DXCC.


Absolutely no one could beat the PCTA at CW contests.

Why would they? :-)


What's interesting, too, is that back in those pre-ECFS times, FCC got more
than twice as many comments, even though there were far fewer hams and far
fewer Americans than today.


Tsk. Still in the past. Try looking back just a half year. :-)

18 Petitions up for Comment at FCC and easily overwhelming the old
docket 98-143 comments. :-)


So Len does, indeed, promulgate myths.


The League is your shepherd...you shall not want.

You are not led into temptation.

Now lay face down on the floor in the sign of the cross and take your
Vows for life...


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Old August 31st 04, 12:45 AM
Len Over 21
 
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In article , PAMNO
(Quitfine) writes:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil


writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!


Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.


The license is the least of it. Setting up a station and actually operating

it,
without government or corporate backing is the bigger challenge these days.


Lots of "challenge" walking into an HRO, presenting a plastic
card, taking home everything ready-built, following hook-up
instructions... :-)

About as "challenging" as setting up a CB base station.

About as "challenging" as setting up a new personal computer.

About as "challenging" as installing a home music system
stereo receiver.

Ho hum.


You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he
was "Lenof21" then.


I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.


You mean neither has yet made good on what they said they'd do.


Ah, so one "takes vows" in newsgroups?!? :-)

Tsk. Allow a response used frequently by nursie:

"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He
wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.


It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.


In sheer volume, he's probably pretty close to the top for an induhvidual
commenter.


But James P. Miccolis, with or without the "Quitefine" anonymouse
pseudonum is up to the task of DOING MORE! He is Extra. He is
PCTA! Hear him roar! :-)

Poor Bill Cross.


FCC salaries are low?


- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back
in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most

of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.


Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing?


I don't know. His recall of that regulatory proceeding is quite innaccurate.


Tsk. Quitefine not know! Terrible. Quitefine, er, Jimmie know
EVERYTHING! He never "innaccurate!" :-)

His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.


I "have an interest" in learning Japanese. I know about a half-dozen words in
that language.


Jimmie want jo-san? :-)


- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in

1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase
in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds
under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for
"Amateur First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.


So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?


If you mean the ARRL, its policy and operations are quite different than what
Len portrays.


The League is your shepherd, you shall not want...


- No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5 wpm code
test
since 2000. No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5
wpm
code test since 1990 (with an easily-obtained medical waiver, and a long
list of possible accomodations).

Yet Len's sole involvement is the harangue of an outsider. Kibitzer.
Sidewalk superintendent.


I've pointed that out to him on numerous occasions. Len could have
easily passed a no code exam. I feel sure that, despite the enormous
obstacle of a 5 wpm code test, he could have met the qualifications of
at least one of the HF license classes. He hasn't. If his intention is
to wait until there is no code test for an HF amateur radio license,
fine. He's really showing us.


Tsk. More imaginative rambling. :-)

My "case" in here was simply to argue against a morse code test.

Since so many PCTA extras inhabited this din of inequity, that was
all but impossible in the torrent of personal abuse rendered against
all NCTA.

The PCTA extras could never, ever make their case for maintenance
of the morse code test...but they cannot ever lose any argument so
the personal abuse levelled against NCTA continues...and continues.


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Old August 31st 04, 12:45 AM
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In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From:
(William)
Date: 8/28/2004 7:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...


I dare say I know more about the USAF, past and present, than you

ever
did
while in it, Brain.

Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa!

Simply impossible!!! You are an OUTSIDER looking in.


Nope.


Yep.

Apparently, physics are different inside the U.S.A.F.


Nope.


You're getting warmer.

Too bad for you.


Nope.


Yep.

Sorry.

Yes, you are VERY sorry.

Yet I was amember of the U.S.A.F.; an INSIDER!


So have I been, Brain.


No, you have not.


Nursie thinks so. That is sufficient for her version of "truth."


Not only as a member of CAP,


Don't make me laff you little jelly belly imposter.

but as a member of the USMC attached to the
USAF at one time.


I was attached to the US Army in the ROK. I was not in the Army.

I was attached to the US Navy in the Pacific. I was not in the Navy.

And you have never been in the US Air Force.


But...but...nursie has been a PILOT IN COMMAND!!!

[of a two-seater, single engine light general av aircraft...]

Oddly enough, for all that claimed PILOT IN COMMAND
experience, nursie never was a pilot in command in USMC.
Not in 18 years or whatever it was for the military "career."


(Before you go off on a tirade about how the CAP is not "part of the
USAF", you'd better read CAP's Constitutional Charter and see waht SecAF

has to
say about it...)


Too bad.


Tsk. In nursies mind is the equation: CAP.GT.USAF

[CAP greater than USAF]

Ergo, the CAP is far more important to the National Defense than USAF
ever was. In her mind.


Sucks to be you, Brain.

Yet, I am not Brain. Must suck to not be able to spell.


Oh, you are NOT "A" Brain to be sure.


Hi, hi!

But I "spell" just fine. I get my point across. Without yelling,

even.

Nefarious Yell DMC is notorious for yelling.


...and lying. Gunnery nurse consistently makes typos.

He make more spells than a coven of witches.

Amateur ones.

But he does keep the cauldron (the pot) boiling... :-)


Wanna try for another 12 hours of being a man again, or did the

other
day
scare you off?

Steve, I've been a man all of my adult life.


No, you've been a MALE all of your adult life.


Your fixation on my genatalia is noted. Again and again.


It's the Macho in the Mighty Macho Morsemen.

Too much "test" in the CW "test-osterone." Overdose.


The societal obligations of "being a man" require one to be truthful,
trustworty and honest.


That would make you a woman.

Your conduct herein has been far from that.


A crazy woman at that.


Witch?

You unwillingness to act like one even furhter distances you from the
crowd.


You just keep your distance from me.


[I wonder how far a "fuhrter" distance is?]

He say he spell real fine. ?


You are a mere shell of a man. Between your seven hostile actions and
personal tragedy, you are barely recognizable as human.


Uh huh. Right.


Good. Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step.


That's about as far as it gets...

Go get yourself fixed.


Really irks you to keep getting backed into the corner with your own
newsgroup cowpies, doesn't it, Brain?


You try to Cow everyone into believing your lies.


He try for "bull-y" but is an udder failure.


Maybe if you stopped dropping them, you'd stop stepping in them...

Steve, K4YZ


I've neither dropped them nor stepped in them.

Just more of your lies.

Does it ever stop?


Seemingly, not.

Nursie fantasyland social mores are quite different than in reality.

Despite an issue worth discussing ("ARRL to propose subband-by-
bandwidth regulation"), everything seems to wind up with nursie
insulting everyone she doesn't agree with. Nearly every thread gets
like that.

No wonder Robert Casey, among others, is irritated.


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Old August 31st 04, 12:46 AM
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Dave Heil wrote in message ...
N2EY wrote:

I wonder at Steve/K4YZ's repeated challenges for Len to get a ham license.
Would Steve rather have Len on the ham bands or here?


Len's lucky it doesn't come down to a vote on either.


Is Steve as lucky?


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Old August 31st 04, 05:39 PM
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(Len Over 21) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From:
(William)
Date: 8/28/2004 7:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...


I dare say I know more about the USAF, past and present, than you

ever
did
while in it, Brain.

Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa!

Simply impossible!!! You are an OUTSIDER looking in.

Nope.


Yep.

Apparently, physics are different inside the U.S.A.F.

Nope.


You're getting warmer.

Too bad for you.

Nope.


Yep.

Sorry.

Yes, you are VERY sorry.

Yet I was amember of the U.S.A.F.; an INSIDER!

So have I been, Brain.


No, you have not.


Nursie thinks so. That is sufficient for her version of "truth."


Maybe he can get together with Kelly and compare "real Air Force"
experience!

Hi, hi!

Not only as a member of CAP,


Don't make me laff you little jelly belly imposter.

but as a member of the USMC attached to the
USAF at one time.


I was attached to the US Army in the ROK. I was not in the Army.

I was attached to the US Navy in the Pacific. I was not in the Navy.

And you have never been in the US Air Force.


But...but...nursie has been a PILOT IN COMMAND!!!

[of a two-seater, single engine light general av aircraft...]

Oddly enough, for all that claimed PILOT IN COMMAND
experience, nursie never was a pilot in command in USMC.
Not in 18 years or whatever it was for the military "career."


He only does great things outside of his occupation. Hmmmm?

(Before you go off on a tirade about how the CAP is not "part of the
USAF", you'd better read CAP's Constitutional Charter and see waht SecAF

has to
say about it...)


Too bad.


Tsk. In nursies mind is the equation: CAP.GT.USAF

[CAP greater than USAF]

Ergo, the CAP is far more important to the National Defense than USAF
ever was. In her mind.


Apparently he didn't read those 1950's "This is the Air Force"
phamplets during CAP training.

Hi, hi!

Sucks to be you, Brain.

Yet, I am not Brain. Must suck to not be able to spell.

Oh, you are NOT "A" Brain to be sure.


Hi, hi!

But I "spell" just fine. I get my point across. Without yelling,

even.

Nefarious Yell DMC is notorious for yelling.


...and lying. Gunnery nurse consistently makes typos.

He make more spells than a coven of witches.

Amateur ones.

But he does keep the cauldron (the pot) boiling... :-)


Maybe he should lance it.

Wanna try for another 12 hours of being a man again, or did the

other
day
scare you off?

Steve, I've been a man all of my adult life.

No, you've been a MALE all of your adult life.


Your fixation on my genatalia is noted. Again and again.


It's the Macho in the Mighty Macho Morsemen.

Too much "test" in the CW "test-osterone." Overdose.


I've noticed a drastic reduction in his use of the Yiddish word for
penis.

Jimmy Who must have faxed out a white paper on it.

The question is, "Can Jimmy Who control Nefarious Yell DMC?"

The societal obligations of "being a man" require one to be truthful,
trustworty and honest.


That would make you a woman.

Your conduct herein has been far from that.


A crazy woman at that.


Witch?


What?

You unwillingness to act like one even furhter distances you from the
crowd.


You just keep your distance from me.


[I wonder how far a "fuhrter" distance is?]

He say he spell real fine. ?


It's about the distance of a "frank fuhrter."

You are a mere shell of a man. Between your seven hostile actions and
personal tragedy, you are barely recognizable as human.

Uh huh. Right.


Good. Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step.


That's about as far as it gets...


Yep - force field keeping him back. The force of light and goodness.

Go get yourself fixed.

Really irks you to keep getting backed into the corner with your own
newsgroup cowpies, doesn't it, Brain?


You try to Cow everyone into believing your lies.


He try for "bull-y" but is an udder failure.


Back up to his definition of being a man.

Maybe if you stopped dropping them, you'd stop stepping in them...

Steve, K4YZ


I've neither dropped them nor stepped in them.

Just more of your lies.

Does it ever stop?


Seemingly, not.

Nursie fantasyland social mores are quite different than in reality.

Despite an issue worth discussing ("ARRL to propose subband-by-
bandwidth regulation"), everything seems to wind up with nursie
insulting everyone she doesn't agree with. Nearly every thread gets
like that.

No wonder Robert Casey, among others, is irritated.



I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group.
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Old August 31st 04, 11:12 PM
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In article ,
(William) writes:

(Len Over 21) wrote in message
...
In article ,
(William) writes:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...
Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From:
(William)
Date: 8/28/2004 7:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...


I dare say I know more about the USAF, past and present, than

you
ever
did
while in it, Brain.

Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa!

Simply impossible!!! You are an OUTSIDER looking in.

Nope.

Yep.

Apparently, physics are different inside the U.S.A.F.

Nope.

You're getting warmer.

Too bad for you.

Nope.

Yep.

Sorry.

Yes, you are VERY sorry.

Yet I was amember of the U.S.A.F.; an INSIDER!

So have I been, Brain.

No, you have not.


Nursie thinks so. That is sufficient for her version of "truth."


Maybe he can get together with Kelly and compare "real Air Force"
experience!

Hi, hi!


Katapult King Kellie was doing intel photo work for the USN, not
the USAF...and dining with the Captain, leaving all the "drudge"
work to the enlisted folk.

Nursie really needs to consult with Rev. Jim since Jimmie read
all the "Jane's" books on military things and probably is as
"renowned" on that history as he is on all of radio. That's a
natural since Jimmie had all this military service experience,
worked military comms, even became an expert gury on Space
from his years in aerospace!

Error! Error! Jimmie did not. No matter, Jimmie will say anyone
talking against him is in "error" anyway... :-)

Not only as a member of CAP,

Don't make me laff you little jelly belly imposter.

but as a member of the USMC attached to the
USAF at one time.

I was attached to the US Army in the ROK. I was not in the Army.

I was attached to the US Navy in the Pacific. I was not in the Navy.

And you have never been in the US Air Force.


But...but...nursie has been a PILOT IN COMMAND!!!

[of a two-seater, single engine light general av aircraft...]

Oddly enough, for all that claimed PILOT IN COMMAND
experience, nursie never was a pilot in command in USMC.
Not in 18 years or whatever it was for the military "career."


He only does great things outside of his occupation. Hmmmm?


Whatever nursie does is "great!" :-)

Remember, he became a PILOT IN COMMAND as a civilian!

Probably got a set of wings with the laurel wreath around the
star above the shield to denote "COMMAND PILOT!" :-)

Somehow that (in his imagining) makes him an ichiban Hero
in ham radio? Hai, hai! :-)

(Before you go off on a tirade about how the CAP is not "part of

the
USAF", you'd better read CAP's Constitutional Charter and see waht SecAF

has to
say about it...)

Too bad.


Tsk. In nursies mind is the equation: CAP.GT.USAF

[CAP greater than USAF]

Ergo, the CAP is far more important to the National Defense than USAF
ever was. In her mind.


Apparently he didn't read those 1950's "This is the Air Force"
phamplets during CAP training.

Hi, hi!


The ink on the pamphlets might have faded in a quarter century
before he had someone read them to him. Long time to sit around
waiting for a PILOT IN COMMAND to get them. :-)

Sucks to be you, Brain.

Yet, I am not Brain. Must suck to not be able to spell.

Oh, you are NOT "A" Brain to be sure.

Hi, hi!

But I "spell" just fine. I get my point across. Without yelling,
even.

Nefarious Yell DMC is notorious for yelling.


...and lying. Gunnery nurse consistently makes typos.

He make more spells than a coven of witches.

Amateur ones.

But he does keep the cauldron (the pot) boiling... :-)


Maybe he should lance it.


Would that make him the "little lance corporal?" :-)


Wanna try for another 12 hours of being a man again, or did the

other
day
scare you off?

Steve, I've been a man all of my adult life.

No, you've been a MALE all of your adult life.

Your fixation on my genatalia is noted. Again and again.


It's the Macho in the Mighty Macho Morsemen.

Too much "test" in the CW "test-osterone." Overdose.


I've noticed a drastic reduction in his use of the Yiddish word for
penis.


Nursie seems adamant on requiring all entering ham radio to get
a sperm count and have that passed in order to complete a license
application. Nursie is always into matters of SEX. Strange.

Jimmy Who must have faxed out a white paper on it.


Jimmie "sned" him a copy...

The question is, "Can Jimmy Who control Nefarious Yell DMC?"


Impossible!

Jimmie heartily approves of such behavior as done by nursie.

Saves him having to step down from posing as Mother Superior
in here under his real callsign. Doesn't stop him from joining in
as an anonymousie with haiku-like spacing...that anonymousie
approves of gunnery nurse Yell-yell's behavior and gives him high-
fives verbally. Hypocritical, but such is life in the newsgroup.

The societal obligations of "being a man" require one to be

truthful,
trustworty and honest.

That would make you a woman.

Your conduct herein has been far from that.

A crazy woman at that.


Witch?


What?


Who?

You unwillingness to act like one even furhter distances you from

the
crowd.

You just keep your distance from me.


[I wonder how far a "fuhrter" distance is?]

He say he spell real fine. ?


It's about the distance of a "frank fuhrter."


He wasn't "frank" about it...

You are a mere shell of a man. Between your seven hostile actions and
personal tragedy, you are barely recognizable as human.

Uh huh. Right.

Good. Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step.


That's about as far as it gets...


Yep - force field keeping him back. The force of light and goodness.


That force didn't come from his family joules...

[Erg! such a bad pun... :-) ]


Go get yourself fixed.

Really irks you to keep getting backed into the corner with your

own
newsgroup cowpies, doesn't it, Brain?

You try to Cow everyone into believing your lies.


He try for "bull-y" but is an udder failure.


Back up to his definition of being a man.


He didn't make one. Leastways, he doesn't act like those words.

Maybe if you stopped dropping them, you'd stop stepping in them...

Steve, K4YZ

I've neither dropped them nor stepped in them.

Just more of your lies.

Does it ever stop?


Seemingly, not.

Nursie fantasyland social mores are quite different than in reality.

Despite an issue worth discussing ("ARRL to propose subband-by-
bandwidth regulation"), everything seems to wind up with nursie
insulting everyone she doesn't agree with. Nearly every thread gets
like that.

No wonder Robert Casey, among others, is irritated.



I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group.


I'll second that. Nursie just doesn't present a good image for
U.S. amateur radio of today.

Amateur radio can be a fun hobby and enjoyed by thousands. But,
unlike what the PCTA extras contend, it is not a job, not a profession,
not a guild, not a craft, not a union, and certainly not some kind of
boot camp or basic training. Amateur radio is a civilian hobby, not a
military one.

U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to be employed as a
nurse. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to have a pilot's
license (with or without being a "pilot in command").

U.S. amateur radio operates by the very same physical laws as do
all othe radio services. Prior experience in other radio services is
helpful in understanding that physical law and theory but no more
essential to the hobby than nursing as a profession or having civilian
pilot licenses.

U.S. amateur radio is regulated by the FCC, an agency chartered to
regulate all U.S. civil radio. Absolutely no FCC commissioner or
staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license in order to regulate
U.S. amateur radio.

Morse code proficiency is NO LONGER any indicator of "qualification"
to operate on any HF bands. For most radio services it was NEVER
a requirement. While that is heretical in terms of worship of the Church
of St. Hiram, it is nevertheless true.

Having a valid U.S. amateur radio license does NOT automatically
make anyone any kind of "expert" on any subject outside of U.S.
amateur radio. In fact, it is not a guarantor of expertise within U.S.
amateur radio.


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I would like to oblige Robert Casey. Steve should leave this group.


I'll second that. Nursie just doesn't present a good image for
U.S. amateur radio of today.

Amateur radio can be a fun hobby and enjoyed by thousands. But,
unlike what the PCTA extras contend, it is not a job, not a profession,
not a guild, not a craft, not a union, and certainly not some kind of
boot camp or basic training. Amateur radio is a civilian hobby, not a
military one.

U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to be employed as a
nurse. U.S. amateur radio does not require anyone to have a pilot's
license (with or without being a "pilot in command").

U.S. amateur radio operates by the very same physical laws as do
all othe radio services. Prior experience in other radio services is
helpful in understanding that physical law and theory but no more
essential to the hobby than nursing as a profession or having civilian
pilot licenses.

U.S. amateur radio is regulated by the FCC, an agency chartered to
regulate all U.S. civil radio. Absolutely no FCC commissioner or
staffer is required to hold any amateur radio license in order to regulate
U.S. amateur radio.

Morse code proficiency is NO LONGER any indicator of "qualification"
to operate on any HF bands. For most radio services it was NEVER
a requirement. While that is heretical in terms of worship of the Church
of St. Hiram, it is nevertheless true.

Having a valid U.S. amateur radio license does NOT automatically
make anyone any kind of "expert" on any subject outside of U.S.
amateur radio. In fact, it is not a guarantor of expertise within U.S.
amateur radio.



Agree on all points. Steve is a bad ambasador for the world's best hobby.

When will Steve be daparting?

I would like to get a "farewell and good luck" card and have everyone sign it.

bb
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