N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

Things are changing with more and more citizens able to lobby the
FCC without having to join special interest groups. Changes are
coming....

You've lobbied. I don't see any changes in your status vis a vis amateur
radio.

Don't hold yer breath, Dave!

Oh, I won't. I don't expect Leonard (despite often writing of "getting
into" amateur radio) to actually obtain a license during his present
incarnation.

You're still not a participant after decades of self-declared
interest. You're still not involved despite a boast of getting an
"Extra right out of the box" years back.

January 19, 2000, to be exact. Right in this-here newsgroup. Of course he was
"Lenof21" then.

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

Some changes must come very slowly.

Fun facts:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He wound up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it is
obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

- FCC got about 2500 comments on 98-143, the last big restructuring. Back in
the mid-1960s, FCC got over 6000 comments on "incentive licensing", most of
them from individuals, even though there was no ECFS back then and all
commentary was plain old words-on-paper.

Did Leonard comment on incentive licensing? His declared interest in
amateur radio would have taken him back to that era.

- ARRL lobbied to increase the code test speed from 10 to 12.5 wpm in 1936.
That was the last time ARRL lobbied for an increase in code test speeds.
Indeed, the 1963 ARRL incentive licensing proposal called for no increase in
code test speeds (full privileges would have been allowed to Advanceds under
that plan) and ARRL *opposed* the FCC idea of a new 16 wpm test for "Amateur
First Class" which FCC wanted in 1965.

So the mythical "Church of St. Hiram" isn't at all as Len has attempted
to portray it?

- No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5 wpm code test
since 2000. No class of US amateur radio license has required more than 5 wpm
code test since 1990 (with an easily-obtained medical waiver, and a long list
of possible accomodations).

Yet Len's sole involvement is the harangue of an outsider. Kibitzer. Sidewalk
superintendent.

I've pointed that out to him on numerous occasions. Len could have
easily passed a no code exam. I feel sure that, despite the enormous
obstacle of a 5 wpm code test, he could have met the qualifications of
at least one of the HF license classes. He hasn't. If his intention is
to wait until there is no code test for an HF amateur radio license,
fine. He's really showing us.

Gladys Kravitz effect.

Does Len have a chin?

"Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

Dave K8MN

In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Quitefine)
Date: 8/28/2004 9:37 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Baby banter, Brian...

Are you really not better than that?

I think you are.

Why do you think that?

I am a Nurse.

An honorable profession.

I am eternally hopeful for the well-being and the healing of those who
suffer from illness, injury or mental defect. Brain seems to be batting
about 666 in that regard. (Ironic, the average, eh...?!?!?)

Perhaps.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

He and Len are masters
of that......:-)

He's obvioulsy hurting
from some untold trauma and he needs some encouragement to overcome it.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

I know that short of having a steel rod driven through his head, Brian
Burke can do better. He HAS done better. He was off to a really good start
the other day. But just as soon as I started returning his civility in kind,
he turned around again.

Perhaps he does not
want to do better.

Q: How many therapists does it take to change a lighbulb?
A: Just one - but the lightbulb has to want to change

I think the idea of having to live up to his OWN rhetoric about the tone
and temperment of the exchanges was more than he could handle. Lennie's
handmust have slipped out of the pocket long enough to let Brian act
independently,
but he obviously got it back in before Brian could really get a good running
start.

Too bad. Now he's babbling again. And he accuses ME of being "off your
meds".

Sheeeesh.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

(Quitefine) wrote in message ...
In article , (Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (Quitefine)
Date: 8/28/2004 9:37 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:

Baby banter, Brian...

Are you really not better than that?

I think you are.

Why do you think that?

I am a Nurse.

An honorable profession.

I am eternally hopeful for the well-being and the healing of those who
suffer from illness, injury or mental defect. Brain seems to be batting
about 666 in that regard. (Ironic, the average, eh...?!?!?)

Perhaps.

Maybe.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Might be.

He and Len are masters
of that......:-)

Lennie perceives himself as a masterdebator. He's close, but no
cigar.

He's obvioulsy hurting
from some untold trauma and he needs some encouragement to overcome it.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Could be.

I know that short of having a steel rod driven through his head, Brian
Burke can do better. He HAS done better. He was off to a really good start
the other day. But just as soon as I started returning his civility in kind,
he turned around again.

Perhaps he does not
want to do better.

Perhaps he CAN'T do better.

I'd rather think he's just operating with diminished mental
capacity. That WOULD explain a lot.

Q: How many therapists does it take to change a lighbulb?
A: Just one - but the lightbulb has to want to change.

Brain is the kid who always picked his nose just to see if he
could "gross" someone out regardless of what it did to his own
reputation.

He's still doing it.

I think the idea of having to live up to his OWN rhetoric about the tone
and temperment of the exchanges was more than he could handle. Lennie's
handmust have slipped out of the pocket long enough to let Brian act
independently,
but he obviously got it back in before Brian could really get a good running
start.

Too bad. Now he's babbling again. And he accuses ME of being "off your
meds".

Sheeeesh.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

I perhaps your perhaps and raise you a "could be"....

73

Steve, K4YZ

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: Dave Heil
Date: 8/28/2004 8:02 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

N2EY wrote:

In article , Dave Heil

writes:

- Despite his claims of being online since dirt was new, Len could not get
ECFS
to work for him back in early 1999. Couldn't keep up with the times, I
suspect.
Most of us poor old backward hams got ECFS to work for us, though. He wound
up
submitting his 98-143 comments by US mail, on disk and paper. He's been a
busy
wordsmith since then, though, deluging the FCC with commentary. Most of it
is
obvious cut-and-paste. Poor Bill Cross.

It'd be interesting to see if our resident r.r.a.p. g.o.m. (grumpy old
man) is the most prolific of commenters.

Well ya KNOW he is!

I counted at least 12 "reply comments" to recent actions wherein Lennie
did what Lennie does best...Tried to attack the messenger. And there were even
more that I didn't open.

Oh, he polishes it up well...(Or was that his ghost writer...I never can
tell...), but bottom line...Lennie did his best to attack anyone who presented
an effective argument by trying to diminish the messenger...

Gee...

Where have we seen THAT before...?!?!

73

Steve, K4YZ

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

I don't think Len ever "crapped his hands."

Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/28/2004 7:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

I dare say I know more about the USAF, past and present, than you ever
did
while in it, Brain.

Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa!

Simply impossible!!! You are an OUTSIDER looking in.

Nope.

Apparently, physics are different inside the U.S.A.F.

Nope.

Too bad for you.

Nope.

Sorry.

Yes, you are VERY sorry.

Yet I was amember of the U.S.A.F.; an INSIDER!

So have I been, Brain.

Not only as a member of CAP, but as a member of the USMC attached to the
USAF at one time.

(Before you go off on a tirade about how the CAP is not "part of the
USAF", you'd better read CAP's Constitutional Charter and see waht SecAF has to
say about it...)

Sucks to be you, Brain.

Yet, I am not Brain. Must suck to not be able to spell.

Oh, you are NOT "A" Brain to be sure.

But I "spell" just fine. I get my point across. Without yelling, even.

Wanna try for another 12 hours of being a man again, or did the other
day
scare you off?

Steve, I've been a man all of my adult life.

No, you've been a MALE all of your adult life.

The societal obligations of "being a man" require one to be truthful,
trustworty and honest.

Your conduct herein has been far from that.

You unwillingness to act like one even furhter distances you from the
crowd.

You are a mere shell of a man. Between your seven hostile actions and
personal tragedy, you are barely recognizable as human.

Uh huh. Right.

Go get yourself fixed.

Really irks you to keep getting backed into the corner with your own
newsgroup cowpies, doesn't it, Brain?

Maybe if you stopped dropping them, you'd stop stepping in them...


Steve, K4YZ

William wrote:

Dave Heil wrote in message ...

I remember that one and Cutey Boy's memorable statement. They are,
you'll have to admit, quite similar in outcome.

I don't think Len ever "crapped his hands."

Not actually. Not his hands.

Dave K8MN

In article ,
(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) writes:

I am eternally hopeful for the well-being and the healing of those who
suffer from illness, injury or mental defect. Brain seems to be batting
about 666 in that regard. (Ironic, the average, eh...?!?!?)

Perhaps.

Maybe.

Highly likely.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Might be.

Probably is.

He and Len are masters
of that......:-)

Lennie perceives himself as a masterdebator. He's close, but no
cigar.

Sometimes a cigar
is only a cigar.

He's obvioulsy hurting
from some untold trauma and he needs some encouragement to overcome it.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

Could be.

Highly likely.

I know that short of having a steel rod driven through his head,
Brian
Burke can do better. He HAS done better. He was off to a really good
start
the other day. But just as soon as I started returning his civility in
kind,
he turned around again.

Perhaps he does not
want to do better.

Perhaps he CAN'T do better.

Perhaps he is
waiting for you
to set the example.

I'd rather think he's just operating with diminished mental
capacity. That WOULD explain a lot.

He says the same of you.
We have seen claims of
remote diagnosis of
'turettes syndrome'.

(Even we know that it
is "Tourette's Syndrome")

Q: How many therapists does it take to change a lighbulb?
A: Just one - but the lightbulb has to want to change.

Brain is the kid who always picked his nose just to see if he
could "gross" someone out regardless of what it did to his own
reputation.

He's still doing it.

Why give an audience and
reaction to such behavior?

I think the idea of having to live up to his OWN rhetoric about the tone
and temperment of the exchanges was more than he could handle. Lennie's
handmust have slipped out of the pocket long enough to let Brian act
independently,
but he obviously got it back in before Brian could really get a good
running
start.

Too bad. Now he's babbling again. And he accuses ME of being "off your
meds".

Sheeeesh.

Or perhaps he is just
baiting you, in order to
get you to behave a
certain way.

I perhaps your perhaps and raise you a "could be"....

We see your could be and
raise you a probably

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: ARRL to propose subband-by-bandwidth regulation
From: (William)
Date: 8/28/2004 7:47 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

I dare say I know more about the USAF, past and present, than you ever
did
while in it, Brain.

Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa!

Simply impossible!!! You are an OUTSIDER looking in.

Nope.

Yep.

Apparently, physics are different inside the U.S.A.F.

Nope.

You're getting warmer.

Too bad for you.

Nope.

Yep.

Sorry.

Yes, you are VERY sorry.

Yet I was amember of the U.S.A.F.; an INSIDER!

So have I been, Brain.

No, you have not.

Not only as a member of CAP,

Don't make me laff you little jelly belly imposter.

but as a member of the USMC attached to the
USAF at one time.

I was attached to the US Army in the ROK. I was not in the Army.

I was attached to the US Navy in the Pacific. I was not in the Navy.

And you have never been in the US Air Force.

(Before you go off on a tirade about how the CAP is not "part of the
USAF", you'd better read CAP's Constitutional Charter and see waht SecAF has to
say about it...)

Too bad.

Sucks to be you, Brain.

Yet, I am not Brain. Must suck to not be able to spell.

Oh, you are NOT "A" Brain to be sure.

Hi, hi!

But I "spell" just fine. I get my point across. Without yelling, even.

Nefarious Yell DMC is notorious for yelling.

Wanna try for another 12 hours of being a man again, or did the other
day
scare you off?

Steve, I've been a man all of my adult life.

No, you've been a MALE all of your adult life.

Your fixation on my genatalia is noted. Again and again.

The societal obligations of "being a man" require one to be truthful,
trustworty and honest.

That would make you a woman.

Your conduct herein has been far from that.

A crazy woman at that.

You unwillingness to act like one even furhter distances you from the
crowd.

You just keep your distance from me.

You are a mere shell of a man. Between your seven hostile actions and
personal tragedy, you are barely recognizable as human.

Uh huh. Right.

Good. Recognizing that you have a problem is the first step.

Go get yourself fixed.

Really irks you to keep getting backed into the corner with your own
newsgroup cowpies, doesn't it, Brain?

You try to Cow everyone into believing your lies.

Maybe if you stopped dropping them, you'd stop stepping in them...

Steve, K4YZ

I've neither dropped them nor stepped in them.

Just more of your lies.

Does it ever stop?

(Steve Robeson, K4CAP) wrote in message . com...

Brain is the kid who always picked his nose just to see if he
could "gross" someone out regardless of what it did to his own
reputation.

He's still doing it.

Well, at least you aren't focused on my genitalia per usual.

Steve was the kind of kid who might set fire to a doghouse (with a dog
in it) just to see if he could scare and intimidate the other kids.
He wasn't big enough to physically bully them. He desperately needed
a reputation.