"Steve Nosko" wrote


Too sad about his daughter, though.


Yes, we're not supposed to live long enough to bury our children. Gotta
be a tough and heartbreaking thing to do.

73, de Hans, K0HB

In .net (rec.radio.amateur.misc), "K?HB" wrote:

"Steve Nosko" wrote


Too sad about his daughter, though.


Yes, we're not supposed to live long enough to bury our children. Gotta
be a tough and heartbreaking thing to do.

Voice type="of experience"

It is.

/voice

--
"Remember: every member of your 'target audience' also owns a broadcasting
station. These 'targets' can shoot back."
-- Michael Rathbun to advertisers, in nanae

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:53:44 -0600, Graybyrd wrote:

Yet, maybe even the FCC would grant ARRL Field Day a "free ride" ... it
serves no purpose as an emergency exercise, no information of any value
whatsoever is exchanged, and sufficient equipment is knocked out of
service to ensure less QRM in the weeks and months following.

On this last point in your post, it is now I who beg to differ. Field
Day serves no useful purpose as an emergency exercise? Personal
experience here would seem to indicate otherwise.

No information of any value is exchanged? Maybe not between two
distant stations on the air, but every year at Field Day the newer
members of our club get the chance to come out and see how lots of
things are done that they haven't seen done before. They see the
equipment chosen by more experienced hams who are involved in the
emergency communications aspect of amateur radio. They see how those
hams pack up that equipment for safe transport. They see how it is set
up and used, how it is powered, how antennas are erected and
connected. That's all valuable information. of course, this assumes
that the club in question makes an effort to get those new guys to
come out and participate. ours does. Your mileage may vary.

Finally, if your equipment gets knocked out at Field Day, that in
itself is some valuable information gained, namely that someone needs
to reconsider their choice of equipment for emergency use. If that
equipment gets knocked out during an exercise, how well do you think
it is going to stand up during a *real* emergency?

John Kasupskim Tonawanda, New York
Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS)
Member of ARES/RACES, ARATS, WUN, ARRL
http://www.qsl.net/kc2fng
E-Mails Ignored, Please Post Replies In This Newsgroup

Must be a hoax. Powell has no idea about what is going on with ham radio.

Dan/W4NTI

"KØHB" wrote in message
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August 12, 2004 06:11 PM EDT

Gettysburg, Pa (API)

In a surprise announcement today, FCC Chairman Michael Powell released
preliminary news of a new "user fee" based revenue system for amateur
radio operators. "This exciting initiative, suggested by a leading
amateur operator and jumpsuit model (photo at http://tinyurl.com/48krd),
is designed to raise funds to subsidize the deployment of BPL service
throughout America, but especially in disadvantaged places like Franklin
County, Tennessee."

Details of the plan are not complete, but the fee structure will be
based on actual on-the-air use of amateur radio, and will be sensitive
to the value of the communications in progress, according to the
Chariman. "As an example, emergency communications during a hurricane
would be billed at a higher rate than less valuable usage like the North
Carolina Lumbago Net." Powell remarked. "Contesters would get special
high volume discounts, since their communications simply repeat the same
old stuff over and over all weekend long" he stated.

Fees will also vary based on the particular mode in use, with CW being
charged a premium rate because "it get's through when nothing else can".
Video modes like SSTV, however, would command super-premium rates
"because a picture is worth a thousand words" the Chairman said.

In a related family announcement, Chairman Powell's father, Secretary of
State Colin Powell, stated that the IARU would be contacted to ensure
that foreign DX operators communicating with US stations would be
assessed fees based on their 'rarity' on the DXCC "Most Wanted" listing.
Secretary Powell cited an alleged operation from "T5" which he expected
would owe "several tens of thousands of dollars" retroactively based on
claims on an internet newsgroup by an operator with the screen name
"Billy Beeper".

Stay tuned for further details. Movie at 10.

---30---

In article ,
John Kasupski wrote:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 04:53:44 -0600, Graybyrd wrote:

Yet, maybe even the FCC would grant ARRL Field Day a "free ride" ... it
serves no purpose as an emergency exercise, no information of any value
whatsoever is exchanged, and sufficient equipment is knocked out of
service to ensure less QRM in the weeks and months following.

On this last point in your post, it is now I who beg to differ. Field
Day serves no useful purpose as an emergency exercise? Personal
experience here would seem to indicate otherwise.

[snip]

If this were 1950, I would agree that ARRL Field Day is a relevant and
valuable exercise. Today, I disagree. Sad truth is, the element least
welcome at the Federal/State civil emergency authorities table is the
amateur radio community. The federal/state power structure and
self-perpetuating control structure are increasingly hostile to
"amateur" intrusion as any truly significant part of the professional
organization mission.

Things have changed greatly in the last 40-50 years, and most
catastrophically during the government's rush to "absolute security"
following 09/11/01. The "involved citizen" is honored in lip service
only nowadays. Perhaps this is why the old guard at the ARRL is
frantically trying to find a new look for the old ARES .. hoping against
hope to cloak it in digital, commercial, internet garb (WinLink 2000) to
make it appear more attractive to the federally-dominated emergency
structures.

Field Day used to be fun, any maybe it still is .. but it sure is
pointless for anything serious .. unless you're thinking we'll be
tapping out CW on scavenged, converted transistor radios from our caves
during the post-nuclear accident epoch.

Gray K7VGW

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Reply to: allen/at/graybyrd/dot/com

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:52:28 -0600, Graybyrd wrote:

If this were 1950, I would agree that ARRL Field Day is a relevant and
valuable exercise. Today, I disagree. Sad truth is, the element least
welcome at the Federal/State civil emergency authorities table is the
amateur radio community.

Maybe where you are. Here it is a key part of both inter-agency
and inter-hospital backup communications.

--
Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

In rec.radio.amateur.policy "K?HB" wrote:
August 12, 2004 06:11 PM EDT

Gettysburg, Pa (API)

In a surprise announcement today, FCC Chairman Michael Powell released
preliminary news of a new "user fee" based revenue system for amateur
radio operators. "This exciting initiative, suggested by a leading
amateur operator and jumpsuit model (photo at http://tinyurl.com/48krd),
is designed to raise funds to subsidize the deployment of BPL service
throughout America, but especially in disadvantaged places like Franklin
County, Tennessee."

snip for brevity

Amazing how an obvious piece of satire has resulted in so much pontification.

Or maybe not so amazing...

--
Jim Pennino

Remove -spam-sux to reply.

Graybyrd wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote:

Subject: FCC Announces use-based fee system for ARS
From: "L."
Date: 8/12/2004 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: . net

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
L. wrote:

That doesn't even make sense - if that is true. Charge MORE for
Emergency
Services? That is one of the key reasons FOR Amateur Radio........
Something stinks there.........

You've just stumbled onto a little range war, L. That tinyurl link is
the page of another Ham that suggested increased fees for licensing, and
Hans is just being Hans.


I kinda wondered about that! The whole thing made no sense.

There's a good reason for it NOT making any sense.

It was generated by K0HB.

Hans spent some time making a little fictional "news release" since he's
unable to directly address the matter objectively. Since I've managed to
derail his rant, he's taking a different approach.

73

Steve, K4YZ


I beg to differ, gents. I got three lines into Hans' message before I
backed up, started again, and then had an uncontrollable giggling fit.
That piece of wit, humor, and good fun is in no wise a 'rant'; and in
fact, it makes a helluva lot more sense in its logic and structure than
virtually anything the FCC sez these days.

Steve just yells alot. Always incensed about sumptin or even about
nuthin. Doesn't matter.

But do you know what the REALLY SAD part of this story is...?

There are likely to be alot of hams that will believe it to be true.

Only way better to stir up the hams beside's the
issue of CW is the topic of money.

(rotflmao - sheesh!)

"KØHB" wrote in message
link.net...
August 12, 2004 06:11 PM EDT

Gettysburg, Pa (API)

In a surprise announcement today, FCC Chairman Michael Powell released
preliminary news of a new "user fee" based revenue system for amateur
radio operators. "This exciting initiative, suggested by a leading
amateur operator and jumpsuit model (photo at http://tinyurl.com/48krd),
is designed to raise funds to subsidize the deployment of BPL service
throughout America, but especially in disadvantaged places like Franklin
County, Tennessee."

Details of the plan are not complete, but the fee structure will be
based on actual on-the-air use of amateur radio, and will be sensitive
to the value of the communications in progress, according to the
Chariman. "As an example, emergency communications during a hurricane
would be billed at a higher rate than less valuable usage like the North
Carolina Lumbago Net." Powell remarked. "Contesters would get special
high volume discounts, since their communications simply repeat the same
old stuff over and over all weekend long" he stated.

Fees will also vary based on the particular mode in use, with CW being
charged a premium rate because "it get's through when nothing else can".
Video modes like SSTV, however, would command super-premium rates
"because a picture is worth a thousand words" the Chairman said.

In a related family announcement, Chairman Powell's father, Secretary of
State Colin Powell, stated that the IARU would be contacted to ensure
that foreign DX operators communicating with US stations would be
assessed fees based on their 'rarity' on the DXCC "Most Wanted" listing.
Secretary Powell cited an alleged operation from "T5" which he expected
would owe "several tens of thousands of dollars" retroactively based on
claims on an internet newsgroup by an operator with the screen name
"Billy Beeper".

Stay tuned for further details. Movie at 10.

---30---

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message hlink.net...
Must be a hoax. Powell has no idea about what is going on with ham radio.

It's another rather well done Brakob spoof/troll just to see how many
would actually fall for it. I'm appalled!

w3rv


Dan/W4NTI

"KØHB" wrote in message
link.net...
August 12, 2004 06:11 PM EDT

Gettysburg, Pa (API)

In a surprise announcement today, FCC Chairman Michael Powell released
preliminary news of a new "user fee" based revenue system for amateur
radio operators. "This exciting initiative, suggested by a leading
amateur operator and jumpsuit model (photo at http://tinyurl.com/48krd),