In article ,
(William) writes:

Every American should have an interest in increasing the number of
potential emergency radio operators. You just never know when you
might need one, and Morse Code just isn't needed to be an effective
emergency radio operator.

Brian, there's no use trying to argue with "Quitefine," an unconvincing
screen surrogate of James P. Miccolis. :-)

He is stuck in the morsemanship rut and not even a Land Rover can
yank him out.

Let him admire the code keys on display at the AWA and let him
live in the past pioneers' time, which he did not.

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open For Comment
From: (William)
Date: 9/7/2004 8:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Hey Dave...Plagerism earned him "big bucks" from Ham Radio
magazine...you
know...that DEFUNCT periodical that he was such a bigwig at....

If only "Ham Radio" magazine were in publication today to run your
"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" and other idiotic ideas.
But hey, there's QST, CQ, and World Radio. Go for it.

Too bad you're still quoting out of context.

Nope. Those are your exact words, and you have had months to retract it.

Instead, you defend it.

Still sucks to be you. Still not getting it right.

Oh well......

Steve, K4YZ

Some civil discourse...

You're simply incapable of it.

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message ...
Subject: Canadian No Code Proposal Open For Comment
From: (William)
Date: 9/7/2004 8:39 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

(Steve Robeson K4CAP) wrote in message
...

Hey Dave...Plagerism earned him "big bucks" from Ham Radio
magazine...you
know...that DEFUNCT periodical that he was such a bigwig at....

If only "Ham Radio" magazine were in publication today to run your
"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio!" and other idiotic ideas.
But hey, there's QST, CQ, and World Radio. Go for it.

Too bad you're still quoting out of context.

Nope. Those are your exact words, and you have had months to retract it.

Instead, you defend it.

Still sucks to be you. Still not getting it right.

Oh well......

Steve, K4YZ

Some civil discourse...

You're simply incapable of it.

(Quitefine) wrote in message ...
In article , Leo
writes:

BTW, if we keep this up, you might be in danger of buggering up your
reputation with - ahem - some of the regulars here as a difficult guy
to converse with....

There is no difficulty
in conversing with Len.

All anyone must do is agree
with everything he writes,
and he becomes a pussycat.

Disagree with him, and the
difficulties begin.

Jim, I've disagreed with Len without difficulty. I said that I liked
KH2D, even though I disagree with his position on the code testing
issue. Jim's a pretty decent guy.

Go to his website and read about the war. Very insightful (or should
it be inciteful?).

http://www.kh2d.net/

In article ,
(William) writes:

(Quitefine) wrote in message
...
In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

By the way, since your Lordship doesn't understand it, I'm NOT
itching to get that mighty Nobel-quality amateur license...I'm just
trying to argue for the elimination of the morse code test for any
radio operator license.

Why?

If you have no interest in
becoming a radio amateur,
why do you attempt to
change the rules?

Every American should have an interest in increasing the number of
potential emergency radio operators.

A valid point.

However, Len does not
agree that amateur radio plays
any significant role in emergency
communications.


You just never know when you
might need one,

If so, why have any tests at all? Or
why have tests beyond the absolute
minimum possible?

and Morse Code just isn't needed to be an effective
emergency radio operator.

Morse Code has had a role
in some emergency communications
recently. These are well documented
by people who participated.

However, to claim that every
radio amateur must be tested on Morse
Code because there might someday be
a need to use it in an emergency is quite
a stretch of credibility.

It is clear that Len's interest goes far beyond
eliminating the Morse Code test.\

To quote a wise one:

"It is not the Morse, but the hatred"

On 07 Sep 2004 19:19:33 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , Leo
writes:

On 04 Sep 2004 02:41:02 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , Leo

writes:

On 03 Sep 2004 05:40:43 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , Leo

writes:

On 02 Sep 2004 04:18:56 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:

In article , Leo

writes:

On 01 Sep 2004 20:09:31 GMT, (Len Over 21) wrote:


The RAC proposal to IC was based on an Internet survey which was open
to all licensed Canadian amateurs (not just RAC members).

The ARRL proposal seems to have been developed autonomously by the
Directors, with little (if any) input from the Amateur community. No
wonder everyone was surprised when it was filed!

That's the thing...the entrenched "we know what's best for you
(members) and everyone else" attitude. Many don't agree with that
and haven't joined even if they can afford the small annual dues.

The league got away with that for decades before the Internet went
public in 1991. They did all the interfacing with the FCC, most of
the lobbying, then promoted themselves as the Big Brother of all
U.S. hams. They managed to convince a hard core of Believers
who are outraged and ready to fight anyone who says the least
little negative thing about the league. [witness some of its Believers
in here]

I have!

I hope you meant that as "witnessing" not as a Believer...?

I have indeed witnessed such behaviour amongst the true Desciples
themselves - I do not, however, count myself amongst their ranks.

ITo me, it's a hobby, not a religion - one does not need to believe
all of the doctrine, or any of it for that matter, to join in. Just
follow the law, and go for it!

That sounds eminently reasonable...except some do not follow
such opinions. :-)

Amen again!


I'm in favour of it - and my comments to that effect have been filed
with IC, as of today.

Good on you!

I have to agree with Hans Brakob in that our northern neighbor in
Norse America is doing the right thing for their future.
Modernization
is long overdue. [excuse me...NORTH America...;-) ]

heh.....that brought back memories of Leif The Lucky from grade
school!

Norsemen were the first European discoverers of North America.

Yup - long before Columbus got lost and thought this was India!

He should have bought that Garwin GPS handheld when he had
the chance... :-)

.....or stopped using his sextant as a telescope

Settled in what is now Canada (New Foundland) for a while.

Dunno why they left...maybe they objected to speaking French?

...they probably left because they couldn't find jobs

(the unemployment rate in Newfie is a whopping 20% or so - WAY above
the national average of just over 7%!)

A definite NOT GOOD situation there. My sympathies with the
workers not working.

Mine too. Been there a few times myself (isn't Telecom grand!) -
nothing worse than no job when you want to work!

Been there, done that, courtesy of the "job security" in aerospace.

Fortunately, there were lots of aerospace companies in southern
California. Haven't been in many "employment insurance" lines,
but once is enough.

Amen.

As an aside, the enmity between Lockheed Aircraft and the state
of California (state winning) resulted in a HUGE shopping center
in Burbank built on what had been their main production complex.
(Lockheed moved out, sold all their holdings). The electronics part
of the aerospace industry here migrated towards south and
northwest. Some of those going south emulated Silicon Valley
and began semiconductor production...fairly sizeable quantities too.


ARRL is 90 years old and they have not had much turnover at Hq.
That leads to "cronyism" in Hq and a resultant status-quo thinking
which has contributed to their lack of getting new membership.
St. Hiram hisself remained president since day one until he got too
old to show up at the office. Dave Sumner is "executive president"
and isn't votable out of office.

While there is a BoD at the ARRL, the publications arm takes its
direction direct from Hq staff. That leads to a concentration of
who-runs-what to the Newington group despite all the self-promotion
of "democratic principle" BoD "discussions." That publishing arm
is a mighty strong venue for getting readers to think the way the
Hq advisers say they should. Not that many publications left for
radio amateurs down here.

and just one here except for the bi-monthly RAC nagazine.......the
other options are QST and CQ.

Nothing from the RSGB? :-)

Never seen a single RSGB publication on the newsstands so far! The
Brits do seem to have a monopoly on the electronics hobby magazines,
though, since the last North American one went belly up years ago.

Good construction plans, though pretty difficult to build without
wearing out the NTE substitution manual finding equivalents to all of
the European semiconductors......


Concentration of information dissemination is a very sharp two-
edged sword. The bad edge is that minimalization of venues
is a wonderful gift for those who would wish to dictate the proper
way to think and act. Those who publish periodicals control
everything in those publications. Everything.

Absolutely - a fact that is exploited in dictatorial countries - the
state controls the press.....the only news is what the state wants the
people to hear.

For the prposs of this group, the state seems to be CT



Especially up here! Some cities, like Winnipeg, have parking
meters with elecreical outletsbuilt in, to plug the engine block
heater into. The outlet is energized only while the meter is active -
money runs out, outlet goes off, and engine begins to rapidly chill
down to ambient temp - which in Winnipeg in February go as low as -50
degrees F or so. The bottom line: pay the meter, or your car ain't
lokely to start when you get back to it!

:-( I have put such cold-weather thoughts out of my mind a long time
ago, moving to the sunbelt in late 1956. Northern Illinois temps aren't
as cold as farther north but they were cold enough.

If I want freezing temperatures on equipment, I just go down to the lab
and pop the door to the Tenney chamber, adjust the dials, and viola,
"instant polar temperatures!" :-)

Much easier up here in the winter - open any outside door....

Where I am (Toronto), the weather is pretty much the same as Northern
Illinois. There's much worse places to be........



I have one of the AADE kits - installed on an old Realistic DX-150B.
Works perfectly - a stable and accurate digital readout. Easy to
interface to the set too! Considering that the dial calibration was
pretty crappy on that set, and resisted every effort to tweak the
adjustments to fix that adequately, the freq readout masi it a
(relatively) useful piece of equipment again.

The kids DX with it sometimes, even still,,,,,,,

Electronic etymology dept.: AADE isn't the first such application
of a microprocessor adapted as a frequency counter. Those go back
about 8 years to the UK and a non-ham electronic hobbyist,
according to an Internet search. AADE is the big maker-seller now
and does a very credible job at a very affordable price for frequency
accuracy. Easy to order for most of the post-WW2 antiques. :-)

It's also a credit to Microchip Inc. and their extremely affordable
microcontroller line (dozens of models) of "PIC" ICs. Microchip gives
away their development software and all a hobbyist has to do is buy
the simple development hardware. The rest is up to the hobbyist
who has to learn a different "code," that of assembler instructions and
putting them in the proper order to accomplish a function.

A big and growing electronic hobby is robotics. Fun thing and gets
down deep to electronics guts. [I'm not into that but some of their
ideas are interesting and useful] Microchip is vying with Atmel on
micros there. Both makers also were used in "radio clocks" a few
years ago, once a thing only for hobbyists until the off-shore
consumer market producers (more than 30 brands now) put $20 and
$30 [US] radio clocks on the store shelves. Microcontrollers do all
the "heavy" work of filtering (via DSP), decoding of WWVB one-
minute data, arithmetic and date-keeping. Most are very low-power,
run on a couple dry cells for over a year.

Months back I heard one ham cussing up a storm on how radio
clocks aren't "real radio!" Operate on 60 KHz, not "real radio
frequencies," don't use "real radio circuits" and, worse, "don't use
real code at 20 WPM, just some #$%^@@!! (hack, ptui) data at
one bit per second!" :-) He was working up a real case of mouth
frothing on the subject before he got sidetracked to another anger-
venting discussion.

Heh - I recall that......


USA still doesn't have any LF ham bands, yet other countries do.
ARRL apparently doesn't want to get involved in computer code,
only morse code. Their foray into PC-compatible circuit analysis
went DEFUNCT when "Radio Designer" selling was stopped. Tsk.
[they couldn't call it a SPICE program which it was, but then they
use different names for circuits and things that the rest of the
electronics industry uses...SPICE core is absolutely free for
anyone to use]

I have a copy of the ARRL Radio Designer program - not bad, and pretty
easy to use. It's unfortunate that they didn't keep that up!

Nowadays, they publish deeply technical articles that illustrate how
to replace a #47 bulb with an LED



I still use my old Heathkit SB-400 SSB tube transmitter on the air -
with the antenna tuner, it's a handful to tune up, compared to the
newer rigs. But, if I actually manage to raise someone with it, it's
a minor miracle, and I feel much more a part of the process than if I
simply turned the tuning knob on a more modern unit. Plus, I bought
it DOA and completely overhauled it back to life - as a result, I'm
very familiar with the inner workings of the thing.

My own personal contribution to the past, I suppose.....that, or I'm
too cheap to buy a new rig - or both

There's nostalgia and then there's nostalgia. :-)

Heh!

Ben Tongue, co-founder of the Blonder-Tongue CATV company,
found a niche hobby in (of all things) "crystal sets." In his
pages on the Blonder-Tongue website he's done SPICE analysis
on various ways to hook up that awfully complicated, non-active-
device crystal receiver. :-)

Didn't know that - I'll have a look on the B-T site!



heh heh heh...I'm waiting for one of my "fan club" to make more
trashmouth about that... :-)

Won't be long now, I'll bet!

Didn't take them but a short time over our holiday weekend. :-)

I was gone but the "fans" were busy, busy, busy making me into
some radioactive Antichrist. :-)

Well, this wouldn't be the same old familiar place if they didn't!



Heh. This reminds me of the story of Micro Henry, who took Millie Amp
for a ride on his Mega Cycle - ah, the good old college days.....

Old story, really, I think it goes back as far as WW2 days.

I believe that - my experience with it only goes back to 1975!

A beat-up mimeographed copy was circulating around the
Fort Monmouth Signal School back in 1952. Might have been
a draft version from even earlier times. :-)

No xerography machines back then. U.S. military made
copies by first "cutting stencils" for mimeographing. Paper
was acidic and didn't last more than 30 years or so before
crumbling in open air. More better was the paper roll from
teleprinters with use-once flimsy carbon paper. Paper tape
lasted longest of all, could repro exactly via a p-tape reading
teleprinter.

Yup - I remember using one of the old Gestetner spirit duplicating
machines back in public school. It worked, but wasn't
pretty.....mimeographs were much better!


Now we can get quality paper cheap, use inkjet printers
connected to computers and turn out camera-ready copy from
one of several WYSIWYG text editors...even spell-checked if
someone bothered to switch that in. :-)

There's all sorts of audio range recorders, from open-reel mag
tape to limited-time all-digital electronic memo-pad things. VHS
videotape has been adapted to recording multi-megabytes of
data, even archiving of PC files.

....and DAT tape, which seems to have become infinitely more popular as
a data storage medium than its intended use for recording audio!


But...some radio amateurs insist and insist and insist that ALL
new radio amateurs MUST learn morse code to get that license.
Otherwise they "aren't real amateurs."
:-)

Time marches on, however - and mandatory Morse will go with it. Morse
has been with us for a long, long time - but its time has come.

I'd bet that 20 years from now, people will still be using Morse on
the bands. Not because the want to be 'real hams' - but because they
are interested in it as a communications protocol. Or a curiosity.





73, Leo

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article ,
(William) writes:

Every American should have an interest in increasing the number of
potential emergency radio operators. You just never know when you
might need one, and Morse Code just isn't needed to be an effective
emergency radio operator.

Brian, there's no use trying to argue with "Quitefine," an unconvincing
screen surrogate of James P. Miccolis. :-)

He is stuck in the morsemanship rut and not even a Land Rover can
yank him out.

Let him admire the code keys on display at the AWA and let him
live in the past pioneers' time, which he did not.

I find that intriguing coming from a man who feels compelled to make
numerous posts, spanning the better part of a decade, to a newsgroup
dealing with an endeavor in which he has no part.

Dave K8MN

In article , Leo
writes:


ARRL is 90 years old and they have not had much turnover at Hq.
That leads to "cronyism" in Hq and a resultant status-quo thinking
which has contributed to their lack of getting new membership.
St. Hiram hisself remained president since day one until he got too
old to show up at the office. Dave Sumner is "executive president"
and isn't votable out of office.

While there is a BoD at the ARRL, the publications arm takes its
direction direct from Hq staff. That leads to a concentration of
who-runs-what to the Newington group despite all the self-promotion
of "democratic principle" BoD "discussions." That publishing arm
is a mighty strong venue for getting readers to think the way the
Hq advisers say they should. Not that many publications left for
radio amateurs down here.

and just one here except for the bi-monthly RAC nagazine.......the
other options are QST and CQ.

Nothing from the RSGB? :-)

Never seen a single RSGB publication on the newsstands so far! The
Brits do seem to have a monopoly on the electronics hobby magazines,
though, since the last North American one went belly up years ago.

Electronics hobbyists, as a general group, have shied away from
"ham radio" in terms of monthly periodicals. That started roughly
three decades ago as hobbyists found lots more fun things to do
pushing electrons around.

Other than a certain membership magazine on this side of the globe
there is only CQ for hams. Popular Communications isn't just for
hams (and many hate that). There's still the off-shoots from Radio
Craft and Radio Electronics News (as they were once called) but
Popular Electronics and company rather restrict themselves to
little electronics projects. Reminiscent of the "Tuna Tin 2" and the
"Herring Aid" kind of thing.

Oddly enough, model aircraft flying has continued unabated and
almost totally embraced radio-control for both pleasure and
competition. Those old model magazines are still around plus a
couple concentrating on R/C. AMA membership is still as many
as in the ARRL but has never been pretentious about what the
model flyers do. AMA has finished its Hq with museum in Ohio.

Good construction plans, though pretty difficult to build without
wearing out the NTE substitution manual finding equivalents to all of
the European semiconductors......

That's getting to be a nuisance for the electronics industry as well.

Semi makers had reached impasse after impasse in the non-PC
field of electronics plus the off-shore semiconductor industry doing
big dents in specialty ICs. For example National Semiconductor
sold off its entire line of digital ICs to Fairchild. Motorola semi
split off into ON and Freescale (rather strange logo names?) but kept
a tiny part of their old product group. Intersil cut about a third of
their products. ST and Philips have long lists of discontinued part
numbers. Lansdale is in business of acquiring rights to and all
masks for certain legacy ICs, is keeping solvent. Lots and lots
of industry realignment in product lines. "Silicon foundaries" are
doing good making specialty semi products in big lots for OEMs,
all with house numbers.

Some on-line vendors are offering legacy devices as competitive
prices. Jameco is one. Jameco's products are sold to electronics
hobbyists, i.e. non-hams for the most part. They and JDR in the
San Francisco Bay area have been hanging in for a quarter century
doing that. Other on-line vendors that were once "ham radio"
product oriented have all added on non-ham electronics parts, just
to stay in business from my estimation.

J.W.Miller was once a source for all sorts of good "radio" parts that
had coil windings. IF cans to "shortwave coil sets" to slug-tuned
coils and blank forms. All of those left the Miller line-up (J.W.Miller
is a long-time Los Angeles company). Demand for those old "radio
parts" just evaporated and Miller had to change its line before it was
time.

Concentration of information dissemination is a very sharp two-
edged sword. The bad edge is that minimalization of venues
is a wonderful gift for those who would wish to dictate the proper
way to think and act. Those who publish periodicals control
everything in those publications. Everything.

Absolutely - a fact that is exploited in dictatorial countries - the
state controls the press.....the only news is what the state wants the
people to hear.

For the prposs of this group, the state seems to be CT

Heh!


Where I am (Toronto), the weather is pretty much the same as Northern
Illinois. There's much worse places to be........

Agreed. :-)


USA still doesn't have any LF ham bands, yet other countries do.
ARRL apparently doesn't want to get involved in computer code,
only morse code. Their foray into PC-compatible circuit analysis
went DEFUNCT when "Radio Designer" selling was stopped. Tsk.
[they couldn't call it a SPICE program which it was, but then they
use different names for circuits and things that the rest of the
electronics industry uses...SPICE core is absolutely free for
anyone to use]

I have a copy of the ARRL Radio Designer program - not bad, and pretty
easy to use. It's unfortunate that they didn't keep that up!

Considering their contacts with long-time members, it's a wonder
they didn't get someone to use the SPICE core routines (free, no
copyright) and make their own "screen wrapper" routines. That's
how ALL of the commercial SPICE programs got started.

Roy Lewallen did a wonderful job taking the NEC core and wrapping
it with good I/O, display routines, then selling it as a package
called EZNEC (or whatever derivatives he has now). Roy is a long-
time ham, also an industry veteran (of Tektronix). NEC or Numerical
Electromagnetic Code was devised in Monterey, CA, by the USN
and, as a government work, isn't copyrightable.

Nowadays, they publish deeply technical articles that illustrate how
to replace a #47 bulb with an LED

Heh. Maybe in the early 1980s (late 1970s?) I chanced on a CQ
"construction article" (at best a half page as I remember it) on how
to make an electric cigarette lighter for the shack...use a 12 VAC
transformer and an auto ligher and socket in a handy box. Very
"technical." :-)

QEX, still a bimonthly, was augmented by Communications
Quarterly a few years ago. CommQuart got started on left-overs
from CQ buying Ham Radio magazine and all its rights. About the
only North American ham radio specialty technical publication is
QEX now but I will predict it will eventually go downhill like
CommQuart did a few years after the CQ purchase.


Ben Tongue, co-founder of the Blonder-Tongue CATV company,
found a niche hobby in (of all things) "crystal sets." In his
pages on the Blonder-Tongue website he's done SPICE analysis
on various ways to hook up that awfully complicated, non-active-
device crystal receiver. :-)

Didn't know that - I'll have a look on the B-T site!

There's a logo name for ya...Blonder-Tongue! :-)

B-T got started in the mid-1950s with a premiere item that was
a UHF converter for existing VHF TV sets. Did right well at it.
B-T saw the "community cable TV" scene coming early and went
into that, made their big money in it. Cable TV equipment is a
specialty field but there's a LOT of it installed out there. All the
"pole equipment" has to withstand terrible environmental stuff yet
last and last.

But...cable TV "isn't 'real' ham radio" since it is above the
precious HF spectrum, can't "work DX" or have QSL cards. :-)

However, their spectrum occupancy is better than two decades
wide with terrible intermodulation problems (from all those
channels carried at once) and it must be reliable 24/7...the
stations and cable providers are and customers depend on that.


heh heh heh...I'm waiting for one of my "fan club" to make more
trashmouth about that... :-)

Won't be long now, I'll bet!

Didn't take them but a short time over our holiday weekend. :-)

I was gone but the "fans" were busy, busy, busy making me into
some radioactive Antichrist. :-)

Well, this wouldn't be the same old familiar place if they didn't!

I suppose so. :-)

It wouldn't be so bad in here if the PCTA extras weren't so die-hard.
None of them resemble Bruce Willis. :-)


No xerography machines back then. U.S. military made
copies by first "cutting stencils" for mimeographing. Paper
was acidic and didn't last more than 30 years or so before
crumbling in open air. More better was the paper roll from
teleprinters with use-once flimsy carbon paper. Paper tape
lasted longest of all, could repro exactly via a p-tape reading
teleprinter.

Yup - I remember using one of the old Gestetner spirit duplicating
machines back in public school. It worked, but wasn't
pretty.....mimeographs were much better!

The origin of the old military phrase "cut orders" (for somebody to
do something) derives from those mimeograph stencils...using
manual typewriters with the carbon ribbon temporarily removed
or lifted. The typewriter type ends literally cut into the stencil.

Started in before WW2 times. It worked. When there was no
xerography yet, it was best for small repro jobs rather than getting
over to an offset press.

But...some radio amateurs insist and insist and insist that ALL
new radio amateurs MUST learn morse code to get that license.
Otherwise they "aren't real amateurs."
:-)

Time marches on, however - and mandatory Morse will go with it. Morse
has been with us for a long, long time - but its time has come.

What you mean by "us," kimosabe? :-)

The whole reason I brought up my military experience at ADA was
that military radio did NOT use morse for any fixed-point to fixed-
point traffic...from 1948 onwards. In 1955 the monthly message
traffic at ADA was about 220,000 or roughly 7300 every 24-hour
period, 2400 every 8-hour shift. And that was for only the third
largest station in the Army Command and Administrative Network
(ACAN). Washington Army Radio (WAR...appropriate callsign)
did one and a quarter million messages per month!

There's just NO way that manual morsemanship could handle
that sort of traffic without way too many soldiers devoted to
nothing but morse. For 24-hour duty there would be at least
three shifts working. Machinery would be needed to relay all
those morse things efficiently on a 24/7 basis. Inefficient.

Prior to my military assignment at ADA, I'd bought into the myth
that "real radiomen" would be good at radiotelegraphy. Got a
rude shock with sudden immersion into reality of the day a half
century ago. Was NOT used! Teleprinter was king then. I did
some rapid realignment of thinking, threw out lots of old myths,
applied myself. Teleprinter WORKED. Very well, too.

I'd bet that 20 years from now, people will still be using Morse on
the bands. Not because the want to be 'real hams' - but because they
are interested in it as a communications protocol. Or a curiosity.

I have nothing against that. Lots of folks are into recreating old
times...such as re-enacting our Civil War or (shudder) our old
Revolutionary War. :-)

I'm against the requirement that radio hobbyists MUST learn
morsemanship - at any rate - in order to be authorized an amateur
radio license. That's nonsense.

I sure won't buy into the absurd idea that anyone "must do the
tests that olde-tymers took" to somehow "prove themselves and
their dedication to ham radio." Nonsense. Self-glorification by
the olde-tymers with a large dose of self-righteousness.

The very best stagecoaches are made today, either in southern
California or Arizona (depending on which guild/craft one talks to
in the movie industry). Reliable, long-lasting, made with the best
materials, driven by seasoned drivers/handlers. Looks good in
the western moom pitchas. But, not a single working stagecoach
line in the country going city to city today. Been a long time since
that was fact. Licensed public transport drivers do NOT need to
demonstrate stagecoach or horse handling now. :-)

As far as I'm concerned with USA radio laws, the U.S. amateur
radio service below 30 MHz has always been called 'ARS' ...for
Archaic Radiotelegraphy Service. De facto if not de jure.

It's way past time for that nonsense morsemanship test
requirement to go.

My best wishes to the Radio Amateurs of Canada for modernization
of their own rules and regulations!

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(Len Over 21) writes:

By the way, since your Lordship doesn't understand it, I'm NOT
itching to get that mighty Nobel-quality amateur license...I'm just
trying to argue for the elimination of the morse code test for any
radio operator license.

Why?

If you have no interest in
becoming a radio amateur,
why do you attempt to
change the rules?

Every American should have an interest in increasing the number of
potential emergency radio operators.

A valid point.

However, Len does not
agree that amateur radio plays
any significant role in emergency
communications.

Must Len agree with everything? Some people say that cellular
telephones have no significant role in emergency communications, yet
about every footage of hurricane action film depicted an official with
a cellular telephone.

You just never know when you
might need one,

If so, why have any tests at all?

Because we already have a radio service without tests which can be
used for emergency communications.

Or
why have tests beyond the absolute
minimum possible?

Indeed.

and Morse Code just isn't needed to be an effective
emergency radio operator.

Morse Code has had a role
in some emergency communications
recently. These are well documented
by people who participated.

Do tell.

However, to claim that every
radio amateur must be tested on Morse
Code because there might someday be
a need to use it in an emergency is quite
a stretch of credibility.

An incredible stretch.

It is clear that Len's interest goes far beyond
eliminating the Morse Code test.\

He wants to eliminate the morse code test.

To quote a wise one:

"It is not the Morse, but the hatred"

I'm not familiar with that wise one. Who is it?

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(William) writes:

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In article ,
(William) writes:

(Quitefine) wrote in message
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In article ,

(Len Over 21) writes:

By the way, since your Lordship doesn't understand it, I'm NOT
itching to get that mighty Nobel-quality amateur license...I'm just
trying to argue for the elimination of the morse code test for any
radio operator license.

Why?

If you have no interest in
becoming a radio amateur,
why do you attempt to
change the rules?

Every American should have an interest in increasing the number of
potential emergency radio operators.

A valid point.

However, Len does not
agree that amateur radio plays
any significant role in emergency
communications.

Must Len agree with everything? Some people say that cellular
telephones have no significant role in emergency communications, yet
about every footage of hurricane action film depicted an official with
a cellular telephone.

Tsk. All must agree
with the
renowned historian.
Not doing
so is heresy.

Heresy is not allowed
in the
Church of St. Hiram.

You just never know when you
might need one,

If so, why have any tests at all?

Because we already have a radio service without tests which can be
used for emergency communications.

Or
why have tests beyond the absolute
minimum possible?

Indeed.

and Morse Code just isn't needed to be an effective
emergency radio operator.

Morse Code has had a role
in some emergency communications
recently. These are well documented
by people who participated.

Do tell.

All Americans can
see that
on the evening
news?

We cannot. Lots of
radios to
be seen, civil
government and
National Guard
radios and news
network radios.

Ham radio radios
can only be
seen in action at
ARRL website.

However, to claim that every
radio amateur must be tested on Morse
Code because there might someday be
a need to use it in an emergency is quite
a stretch of credibility.

An incredible stretch.

Not an
elastomer in
existance
with that
much
stretch.

Only in
Newington.

It is clear that Len's interest goes far
beyond
eliminating the Morse Code test.\

He wants to eliminate the morse code test.

Rev. Jim thinks that is
heresy.

No one must speak ill of
the
dead. Morse code is as
good
as dead.

To quote a wise one:

"It is not the Morse, but the hatred"

I'm not familiar with that wise one. Who is it?

Dave Sumner? Jim
Haynie?

Art Bell? Ralph
Vartabedian?

He will never reveal
his sources.

He will never reveal
himself.

James P. Miccolis
hides in
cowardice, afraid of
reality,
has to use anonymity.

He is hiding only from
himself.

Not from readers here.